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wilycoyote

Okay the dust has settled the project has failed, so I wondered about looking at that failure from a slightly different perspective. My question is that given thast the costs of wave one, according to the figures quoted to us by Palladium effectively drained the RTT kickstarter funds, should that wa...

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The world moves on and the RTT fiasco is over and would seem to be only a bad memory for Palladium, they have moved on and so for them it never happenned. Simple question though, did they as a company lose any monies on this project or did it actually finish in the balck, but with insufficient funds...

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I agree it is sad that this has tainted a game that the OP and his group enjoyed. I too am frustrated and ceratinly somewhat resentfu; of PB's handling of RTT, more especially their lack of honesty and transperancy. However, sometimes things like this open up opportunities to try something new and y...

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I have spent a while away from this to gather my thoughts and try to be rational about the situation. In truth I do not believe PB or anyone there acted with malicious forethought and they did try their flawed best to finish this project. This does not excuse the serious blunders that they made in t...

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Succinct and to the point and most probably right.

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Now the dust has settled on the RTT Rewards program, is there anyone who can confirm just how many backers took PB up on their offer and made the exchange? Then can anyone confirm the toatl numbvers of boxed kits (core and expansion) that are destined to be handed over to the liquidator and whether ...

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Agreed we are not party to all the facts and so can never be 100% sure but there are some things that are undeniable The kickstarter project had one single goal. to design and manufacture all of the pieces offered and pledged for. Although it might be a complicated prpcess the end result was to be s...

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Armorlord, your loyalty to Palladium and Kevin are laudable but you are stull refusing to see and accept what is in plain sight. ND were subcontracted to develop the models and advise on their manufacture, they also then were drawn into the running of the kickstarter but then that was it. post manuf...

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Jyst a tidbit, but in answering the consumer ptrotection Sevice in North Carolina, Kevin for the first time officially admits to buying as much wave one material as possible, The aim to sell this to enable the production of wave 2. Nowhere is there any mention of ND being involved in this crucial de...

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Armorlord, I reread your original reply to Jaymz, I was perplexed by your statement that it was Ninja Divsion that approached Palladium with this project. In fact the idea was first proposed by John Paulson (Paulson Models) but it was William Roche who really set out the case to Palladium and it was...

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I am not getting into the blame game (well not that much) as Jaymz and Forar have put the case as well if not better than I could, but would remark on the splitting of waves and the purchase of Retail stock.These must have been signed off by Kevin and Kevin alone, albeit people will have had input. ...

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What did surprise me was that the Spartan/Phalanx boxed sets were the ones they ran out of.. In my opinion this was by far the ugliest and porrest kit in the wave one product and as such cannot see the demand. Albeit the Phalanx is probably the best destroid in the actaul game and spamming them is u...

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Personally I do not think that palladium will ever make another attempt on the miniature tabletop gaming scene again, they have had their fingers burnt tooo badly. They need to have a completely different design outlook when it comes to table top rules which in themselves have to be very restrictibe...

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Okay that makes sense, so is it possible to suggest the potential breakeven point were they would have paid back the monies "borrowed" from the Kickstarter funds to fund the retail boxes? If I start with some basic napkin math, then the production costs were stated as being just over $500k...

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Thanks Forar, that is an interesting take on the process. So following this line of approach , we can speculate that the actual profit margin on each set was relatively low and ceratinly not a big earner unless you were selling in large quantities. That being the case then it is a little strange tha...

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Thanks Morgan, I hoped you were lurking as between yo and Forar the numbers get crunched and saves me headaches. So it would be reasonable to say that around an extra 10k core boxes were produced at a cost of roughly $450k? This sum would seem to have been more than enough to fulfil the wave 2 commi...

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As the deadline for the Reward Exchange and sale of RTT product expires , can I ask and get an answer to what is to many besides myself a very legitinate question? When Wave One was produced , exactly what were the numbers of Core and additional boxes paid for and manufactured. IN addition did palla...

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Alpha, ypu would get better value buying the stock on sale rather than use your paltry RRV money. Afterall the core set is $80 in rfunds to backers but now onlly $34 for the world and his dad, same applies to the squadron sets. As or me, it is all a waste of time , the extra shipping and taxes I wou...

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Got the reply I expected , no cash refunds at all. I have rejected it pointing out that monies raised from retail goods in the past three years and those that will be made shortly in the fireslae are in fact backer monies, as we paid for the goods on sale. As such these monies are directly refundabl...

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I expect that following the ethos of 1984, history will be rewritten and all records of "Big Brother's" failure in regards to RTT, will be expunged from history, so this place will become a non-domain and never will have existed

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Simple really, Palladium are charging top dollar for shipping, so if you are overseas far cheaper to buy via Amazon.

Always get a feeling that Palladium are very insular and seemto have little regard for their non US buyers

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Can I ask what needed clarification?

I am interested because everyone seems to be interpreting the offer in different ways.

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You know the one thing that I can still not my head around is that they spent $1 million to produce half a game, it is simply staggering. I know it unfair top compare against other kickstarters but.... I backed rRvet Wars - ironically steered by Soda Pop minis - which was produced with twice as many...

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Sadly Wave 1 never took off at all - I mean given the competition you offer a starter box that tasks even seasoned modellers? - so the big gamble Palladium took on buying big for Retail has come back to bite them. No matter the number of fanboy naysayers there are , the game is dead, shuffled off it...

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Just a shoret point about the latest KS update, advising of the bad link. I am a simple man but the fact PB posted about this leads me to believe that someone there is monitoring the board and so was awre of the issue. However, that same someone - note the update was anomynous? - did notr bother to ...

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Thanks Morgan, that was helpful. Well as we enter another will he won't he Tuesday, I took a trip down memeory lane and trawled through the PBWU archive to re read the extravagent claims - and let us be kind untruths - that were being bandied about in 203 through 2015. One favourite from January 201...

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Thanks for the information. Back to the matter in hand Well it is here again, the Chinese New Year is tomorrow and so yet again Palladium have missed a key date and will now be waiting at least a month before getting any sort of contract completed - if of course you can be persauded they are activel...

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Drifting slightly away from the line, can anyone at Palladium confirm whether or not Scott is still an employee ? The question was raised in the All About Palladium forum and the answer was he was on holiday, that thread subsequeny locked down. However, that was on 22nd December and nearly two month...

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Yeah like finally finishing the Robotech Tactics Projects now fours years out of date and never getting more than a passing mention in the weekly update for over two years - apart from the sales catalogue which has also been axed for the last three months. As well as never mentioning the new materia...

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As another week drifts by with still no update from Scott, no mention in the PBWU and maybe more telling still noone from PB logging onto Kickstarter - it has been over three weeks, - it really does beg the question of whether or not Palladium now consider this to be the end game and that by totally...

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Herein lies the core of the problem that Palladium seems to have about completing the project by manufacturing and delivering the wave 2 models. It seems entirely possible that given the delay and risings costs of both producing the models, as well as the (perhaps more critical) massive costs for po...

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According to the latest PBWU, the digital xmas package deals were Scott's baby, so it is possible that these took priority. However, I will not be peeved if the update is a tad late, if and only if it contains concrete information about the status and progress (even why if there is no progress) of t...

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Oh I do like a good discussion. Anyway Alpha, regarding my comment on the wave 2 and PB's claim that they were sent to China, this is a flat statement that they purport to be fact - same update 186 Aug 2015 and the RTT resource page posted around the same date. Now, if those renders were sent and fo...

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I agree that you have to separate the "wrongdoing" by palladium by acknowledging that they did not wilfully and purposely misappropriate t the kickstarter funding, ie commit actual fruad. However, I would contend that they have and continue to wilfully mismange this project. This mismangem...

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There are certainly some valid questions there regarding a project that was supposed to take a little over 6 months to complete that is coming up on 60 months with no end in sight. I don't think you'll get any answers from Palladium though. You are right of course, getting answers is as liklely at ...

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First of all, let me preface this with what should be blindingly obvious. 2017 was a complete and utter washout with regard to any progress on Wave 2 RTT. No quotes were accepted and all of the updates throughtout the whole year had no tangible proof that Palladium had made any strides to homouring ...

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Key point is at this point now, is to get Palladium to admit failure, rather than continually kicking the can down the road. Short of some sort of economic miracle - Sony pick up the rights and hand Kevin a big wad of money? - we all know at this point it is not happenning. Christ, even if Palladium...

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Drawing a line in the sand by giving a final date would be the best thing palladium could do at this point, in so much that it gives them a target to meet and as said if they are not confident of meeting it or do not they have to finally draw a veil on this and declare failure, with the consequences...

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Well I am nothing if not a realist and given the absolute lack of progress evn getting a manufacturer to start the tooling of anything then as a non US backer I can confidentely say that I will see nothing in 2018. So this project, which was exceedingly well funded for a miniatures game, will be ove...

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Lt pebbles, I have to agree with all that you have said. At this point , we are effectively looking at a project that has failed to deliver and yjerefore if, a big if, palladium are finally going to deliver there has to be a concrete plan of how this will be achieved. In fairness , this is something...

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Sorry Morgan, I tried, I really did but after three updates about nothing something has to be said here. It is now four years (Kevin, Wayne, Chuck , Scott et al take note) since the original estimated delivery date for this project for which Palladium Books took in over $1.44 million. It does beggar...

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Doh, is that what you call an update nowadays. essentially, ticking off the date with an update that effevtively had nothing to update - oh sorry it said you still did not have the new base renders. Sorry Scott, I did not expect much as you get the news from Kevin and we know he is totally wrapped u...

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Okay as we roll towards another update (31st Oct?) is there anything that Scott could say that could stem the unrelenting tide of criticism (or is that really cynicism ) towards Palladium and Kevin in particular. An announcement that Palladium had finally signed up to manufacture the wave 2 models w...

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Another issue, perhaps, is that a lot of what was in that Force organisation was not relevant to RTT backers -who must form the core of any community - as a lot of units needed Wave models - okay the truly dedicated will proxy or use the paper standees. My other gripe was it was so bland for somethi...

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If I wanted to distilll this all down to one key event that needs to be fully explained it is this All of the evidence presented by Palladium (especially Kevin and Wayne) at the point when Wave One was being manufactured and delivered was that everything was in place to start production on Wave 2 - ...

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I just wanted to make a further point that may not be readily perceived by someone outside of this Kickstarter, At this point of time Palladium have not declared this project a failure and that they are working on it - one can argue about them properly evidencing this - as a result they effectively ...

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Hmm, as you say yourself you are on the outside looking in and have not had to endure the mishandling of this project which will be at least five years late in delivering its promises. What you say, did you not realise PB never keep to schedules, er that does not matter this was not in house PB You ...

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As I said at this point as a non US backer , I will be lucky to see anything now before 2019 and that is heavily dependent on something definate happenning before the year end. At this point I am more concerned about the utter lack of transparency in how PB have been handling this project just befor...

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Okay, the question is simple, "Why has it taken fours years and counting to get the remainder of the Kickstarter promised by Palladium Books to its backers - ie Wave 2?" A sub question reflects the current anxiety of why it has taken over a year - since Wayne and Kevin posted updates sayin...

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I fully concur with this. Okay wave 2 is the biggy, given its relative size and complexity to everything else that PB do, it is somewhat surprising (probably should say imcredulous) that someone was not given a full time role to supervise and see this through - given the suggestion that everything w...

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