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Samored II

dragonfett wrote: Without their barges, they would be nothing!

IMO, that's the point.

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You still have the issue that encrypting regular civilian communications is a bad idea. How are you going to know what key, or even encryption the people on the habitat over yon are using when you hail them? What about between two ships conducting some business or just chatting? Make the encryption...

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personally, the CS military strikes me as a very soviet style force. quantity over quality in most things (both when they can get it), with strategy leaning towards waves of forces to batter down the enemy. each wave sent off based on a minutely detailed timeline, with little room for personal init...

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Overlord Rikonius wrote:Wasn't there a Rifter with a OCC that gains dragon powers as they level up, eventually becoming dragons themselves?

The Dragonslayers. Rifter 7 or 8. I think.

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Retcon !! Which of any of them accociated within the Rifts Megaverse .. to date .. was the most loathed ? Or which did you guys find simply .. the most against what was originally written ? And of course their allies are bad and evil and they're not just a nice innocent citystate minding their own ...

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Not if you remember it's a melee weapon in a setting with firearms.

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Lets take a look at how dense the debris field around Earth would have to be to provide effective interdiction of 90% of all trans-orbital objects. Minimum amount of nickle-iron to inflict one MDC damage: 1. Palladium impact damage rule: 1 lb will inflict 1 MDC for every 20 mph greater than 50 mph v...

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Do they have FTL? No. Does Atlantis? Do they have forcefield technology? No. Do they have anti-matter tech or anything approching it? Ah, let me think. No. Ditto. Does Atlantis have FTL? Yes. Whether its a technological contra-gravity drive used by the Kittani, or a magic-based rift drive as used b...

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...and I corrected it. So, according to your calculations reporting that it starts at 100,000 miles out and is 19,000 miles thick, it's *still* 15,647,170,802,786,592 metric tons. Guess who is *still* wrong. /Sub You. Since I've long ago sitpulated the field begins around 150 miles above the surfac...

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That assumes a uniform density of debris throughout the field. Something I expressly did not do. Further, the mass indicated by this, oh so flawed calculation, is 1000 times too high- the difference between milligrams and grams. Something you expressly DID do is very strongly imply that the AVERAGE...

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Do they have FTL? No. Does Atlantis? Do they have forcefield technology? No. Do they have anti-matter tech or anything approching it? Ah, let me think. No. Ditto. Does Atlantis have FTL? Yes. Whether its a technological contra-gravity drive used by the Kittani, or a magic-based rift drive as used b...

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Okay Samored, you keep spouting the same stuff over and over without proof. Let me start picking apart bits and pieces. Superior? The Moon republic's tech base is within 50 years of the Three Galaxies, where the Kitanni are nothing special technology-wise. Superior technology is a fragile hook to h...

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If it is so easy to fly at the same speed and in the same direction as the debris field, then it is fairly easy to defeat it as a defense. Who said anything about it being easy. Also, I'd love for someone to figure out the total mass being discussed at 1g per cubic meter, because it seems to me tha...

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Do some research. Isreal is one of the few who launch satellites in retrograde orbit. They do so to prevent debris falling on their neighbors. Others do not because of the energy costs involved. BTW, are you aware that the coming of the Rifts happen in 2098 (89 years from now)? Are you also aware t...

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Cybermancer wrote:There may well be those who do feel that way though. I wouldn't think that they'd be a significant percentage however.

It just takes one with access to an old shuttle.

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He was discussing PRE-RIFTS satellites. The vast majority of satellites launched prior to the Rifts would not be in retrograde orbits. Proof? Evidence would suggest otherwise. BTW you are aware the Coming of the Rifts happens about 300 years from now. He was discussing PRE-RIFTS satellites. The vas...

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duck-foot wrote:are we still argueing about this. good grief.

you know what.

i would stop the meteor with my army of super awesome sexy cyber-ninja space-cowboy lovely amazon catgirls. if they cant do it. no one will.

plus they look good in a bikini

That makes as much sense as anything else.

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The retrograde orbit of the debris field is what causes the damage (and the relative velocity). Not exactally. A high difference in relative velocity causes damage, the retrograde orbit causes the difference in relative velocity. Most pre-Rifts satellites would not be in a retrograde orbit, as that...

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So, if I'm following Mark Hall's math correctly, the debris field is a few hundred miles thick, max? My TW plan would totally work then. Good. It totally could. Not only that, but 10% of what goes through the debris field is intact. Push a Cosmo Knight through there, he'll ignore all but the X-Ray ...

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Let's look at those satellites, shall we? Now, they talk about a variety of types (communications, Navigation, sensor, surveilance, and defense satellites) on pages 84 and 85, but the interesting bit is that some (as noted about old surveillance satellites) follow an elliptical orbit... which means...

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And in case anyone is wondering how a super-genius businessman like Splynncryth would handle such a situation. Through proxies. Somewhere in the Three Galaxies the booking agent of a mercenary group gets a hold of information regarding a near-priceless bit of Unobtanium currently hidden in the core ...

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Correct. The field is 19,000 miles thick and at a debris density of 1mg/cu-m an object would take 1800 MDC damage per minute exposure. That cargo container had better have a couple billion MDC to survive. Where on earth did you get the idea that it would take 1800 MDC per minute at 1mg/m^3? /Sub It...

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It does not state that, it states that the mutants in orbit orbitals avoid it , Wrong. Most Inhabitants of orbit do not descend any lower than 19,000 miles above earth (aprox. 30,000 km). Where does that say all travelers avoid it? Nowhere. Never mind that that is a Mutant in orbit section of the b...

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I would suggest you read pages 22, 23, 61, 84, and 85 of Mutants in Orbit. none of those pages deal with the location or size of the Debris field. Each of those pages provides some vital component of information regarding the field or the containment barrier. It states the Orbitals never approach c...

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the density of the field has never been printed, nor how far up the field extends. However, the debris field begins approx. 150 miles above the surface and in maintained by dumping material down the gravity well from higher orbits. Therefore it is logical the Orbits based their minimum safe travel ...

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Correct. The field is 19,000 miles thick and at a debris density of 1mg/cu-m an object would take 1800 MDC damage per minute exposure. That cargo container had better have a couple billion MDC to survive. Where on earth did you get the idea that it would take 1800 MDC per minute at 1mg/m^3? /Sub It...

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glitterboy2098 wrote:or that it's 19,000 miles thick? i mean, shoot. that would put Liaka station in the middle of the field.

The minimum orbits of the various stations begin at 22,400 miles. Well above the edge of the containment barrier.

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Esckey wrote:THe book never actually says where or how thick it is. And even if it was 19 000miles thick it wouldn't jeopardize any station(espeically Laika that orbits the Moon)

It states the Orbitals never approach closer than 19,000 miles due to radiation and the threat of the containment barrier.

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A serious group of high level magicians could stop it, given foreknowledge and some prep time. Here's a possible techno-wizard solution: Get a Naruni contra-gravity jet pack (they have no max. altitude, and could fly into outer space if not for the killer satellites/debris field, and can move up to...

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Correct. The field is 19,000 miles thick and at a debris density of 1mg/cu-m an object would take 1800 MDC damage per minute exposure. That cargo container had better have a couple billion MDC to survive. Wait a minute.. First lets make a few assumptions... lets assume that your data is correct and...

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A serious group of high level magicians could stop it, given foreknowledge and some prep time. Here's a possible techno-wizard solution: Get a Naruni contra-gravity jet pack (they have no max. altitude, and could fly into outer space if not for the killer satellites/debris field, and can move up to...

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Btw you got a page number for that 100,000 mile up debris field? I cannot find that anywhere. Seconded. That number isn't in Mutants In Orbit 's description of the debris field. no. but i have heard about that number before. it might be in a diffirent book or even a rifter. My mistake, 100,000 mile...

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The 3600 mile teleport circle range isn't enough to get the payload out of the debris field. According to Mutants in Orbit the containment barrier begins 100,000 miles out in orbit. Based on the impact damage rules, something trying to fly out through the debris field would be taking thousands of M...

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I would think one of the umpteen dozen of Alien Intelligences or Demon Lords that want the planet for one nefarious plot or another, would eventually step in. I couldn't see the Lord of the Deep caring (unless the meteor was going to land on him) or Nxxla (as it just give him more undead minions), ...

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You then have the problem of how to get up there, and what to get up there. "How" is easily answered by an eclectic magical society... a teleportation circle on a nexus will get anything you need into orbit, at a relatively small cost (just one faerie). "What" is more difficult....

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Well that raises another question: If Atlantis is so powerful, why would they even bother to save the Earth? Why not just go somewhere else? With a society as advanced as they are, what's keeping them here at all? One, it bleeds high magic, which is a rare commodity in the universe and something th...

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Dr. Doom III wrote:No worries Nazca Line Makers will take care of it.

That would assume the in-bound meteor would approach on a vector where the Nazca lines could supress. Based on their geographic location they could not cover all approach paths.

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Please explain what you're getting at; since we're talking about an effectively unlimited Magic Source, why are those two issues that you brought up supposed to be a roadblock?? Someone above was kind enough to do the math. 120 million man hours and 20 million trinkets for 1 billion PPE. Even if th...

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Talisman 500ppe pg189 main book Ah the old main book Haven't looked through the magic section of that in awhile. Odd that the Unlimited one didn't just port the description over. Though, I'm not sure how effective this would be. As a PPE battery its got something of a limited effect. 500 PPE to cha...

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Xenogears wrote:But you all still forget that TW can get the job done.

Same question. How does one make a TW PPE battery, what does it cost, and what's the charge density?

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Talisman 500ppe pg189 main book Ah the old main book Haven't looked through the magic section of that in awhile. Odd that the Unlimited one didn't just port the description over. Though, I'm not sure how effective this would be. As a PPE battery its got something of a limited effect. 500 PPE to cha...

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Try explaining to a demon what a "flank" is, or trying to maintain command of one..........let alone thousands......you're trying to control a being that used to roaming as he may with very little interaction among other beings adn all of a sudden they're tossed into a mixed group of figh...

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Wow, this is the oldest thread I've seen necroed I think part of the biggest advantages (home defense) that the CS had was that its major holdings are in (intentionally?) low magic zones with minimal ley lines. Consequently its harder for mages to cut loose with the higher cost PPE spells, and prev...

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There are rules for spraying an area.

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also as for teleporting into chi town. Teleporting some where you have never been is likely to fail. Teleporting some where that you have never been and has many a wall and room can make for rather interesting wall art. As for the earth elemental against farm land good idea. Making tunals under chi...

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It's been stated clearly he loathes the Sploogs, and wants to kick them off NA soil up to and including their little base up in Newfoundland. Maybe they're massing for that. Maybe not... but it is a book I'm interested in. An in-game correction of the single largest strategic error writers fiat imp...

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the CS lost everything and the 1990s era tech crap the CS has should not be better then the tech NGR has. It's nothing more then writers one upman ship "my stuff is better then your stuff". I'll bet the next NGR books hardware seriously out performs the CS gear. Exactly .. and the only ex...

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Not to mention they would be useful places for teaching those ever popular spell combination attacks and how to defend oneself against a technological foe.

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It's been stated clearly he loathes the Sploogs, and wants to kick them off NA soil up to and including their little base up in Newfoundland. Maybe they're massing for that. Maybe not... but it is a book I'm interested in. An in-game correction of the single largest strategic error writers fiat imp...

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the CS lost everything and the 1990s era tech crap the CS has should not be better then the tech NGR has. It's nothing more then writers one upman ship "my stuff is better then your stuff". I'll bet the next NGR books hardware seriously out performs the CS gear. Exactly .. and the only ex...

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