This may seem a bit silly but...

Josh Sinsapaugh · Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:37 pm

Heat - Impervious.

Magma/Lava - Impervious....though they could still drown in lava (that is if they need to breathe, IIRC they do, though I may be wrong).

The Sun - Tough call, I'd say "Not Impervious" though due to the nuclear process inwhich the Sun generates light, heat, etc.

~ Josh

Marrowlight · Unread post by **Marrowlight** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:57 pm

Would that make them immune to lasers and plasma attacks as well? Yeah not really a Palladium question.....but it just kinda struck me all of a sudden.

Nekira Sudacne · Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:46 pm

Marrowlight wrote:Would that make them immune to lasers and plasma attacks as well? Yeah not really a Palladium question.....but it just kinda struck me all of a sudden.

offically, plasma is considered a "fire and heat" attack, lasers are not.

and yes, Fire dragons are immune to lava and the sun.

Qev · Unread post by **Qev** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:19 pm

Nekira Sudacne wrote:
Marrowlight wrote:Would that make them immune to lasers and plasma attacks as well? Yeah not really a Palladium question.....but it just kinda struck me all of a sudden.

offically, plasma is considered a "fire and heat" attack, lasers are not.

and yes, Fire dragons are immune to lava and the sun.

Well, except the core of the sun. That's nuclear fusion. But if a dragon finds itself in the core of the sun, I think it has bigger things to worry about. :lol:

Gomen_Nagai · Unread post by **Gomen_Nagai** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:44 pm

yeah like the 250 billion atmospheres of pressure..

UR Leader Hobbes · Fri Mar 10, 2006 2:35 pm

Don't stars also give off antimatter? So I doubt that a fire dragon is immue to the effects of a matter antimatter collision.

Borast · Unread post by **Borast** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:50 pm

UR Leader Hobbes wrote:Don't stars also give off antimatter?

No.

M/AM reactions give off a large amount of gamma rays. Last I heard stars don't emit much in the way there-of.

The Immortal ME · Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:35 pm

I would say that they may be able to chill out near a star or maybe even in the surface regions. Going far inside is defintely out.. While the surface of our sun is about 6,000°C, the center is upwards of 15,000,000°C; by comparison, lava, when first exuded from a volcanic vent, is typically from 700 to 1200°C.

pblackcrow · Unread post by **pblackcrow** » Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:13 pm

I know that cosmic threads are supposed to, in theary emit anti-matter. Wonder what the effects would be if a black hole and a cosmit thread were to ever meet. True, the chances of that happening are slim to none, however it would be rather neat to obserb, but from the maximum reach of the hubble space telescope! I'm really not that interested in knowing what the would happen if it happened close up!

Qev · Unread post by **Qev** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:25 am

Stellar fusion reactions don't usually produce any excess antimatter, although positrons are created by certain steps in the reaction. They never survive long in there, though, and quickly annihilate with electrons to form gamma rays.

Free antimatter tends to get produced by other high energy processes, like the accretion disks around neutron stars and black holes (a relatively high percentage of the material in the jets created by these objects is antimatter).

I honestly don't have a clue what an encounter between a black hole and a cosmic string would be like. Primordial spacetime defect vs. stellar singularity... maybe it'd snip the string in two? :lol:

None of these are terribly dragon-friendly environments. I imagine as long as the pressure doesn't get too high, dragons are fine with heat up until the point where the matter making up their bodies starts undergoing fusion.

Gomen_Nagai · Unread post by **Gomen_Nagai** » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:52 am

the Anime Stellvia and the Lost Universe... A quantum ribbon that hit a supernova creates a wave of Energy that nullifies a huge part of the universe... they only negate it through the help of aliens they encounter in warp space.

runebeo · Unread post by **runebeo** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:24 pm

Lasers are heat based so Id say lasers should not hurt them.

drewkitty ~..~ · Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:41 pm

runebeo wrote:Lasers are heat based so Id say lasers should not hurt them.

Lasers are only heat based if they are IR lasers, even then they are still just light. I'll go with the book rules that lasers don't hurt Fire Dragons.

As for the anitimater talk....in space there are spontainiusly formed quantum pairs of matter& anti-matter which interacte for a time then recombin into nothing. However, for some reason Small black holes, small meaning not much mass, attract the a/m side of the pair mor then the matter side thus the matter side of the pair forms particuler radiation away from the BH while the AM side of the pair get sucked into the BH shrinking its mass just a tiny bit. And over time the BH's mass evaporates.

Well That is what I've picked up from reading sci-fi novels. *shrugs*

Another thing, it is throrized that matter has information in it telling what it is, and if you change that information you could turn matter into anti-matter on a wholesale rate.

Nekira Sudacne · Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:18 pm

Sikulak wrote:can't really add much to the cosmic thread antimatter stuff but i think the gravity on the stars surface would be a problem for the dragon as well, and also they may have trouble breathing cause i'm not sure of their actual atmosphere. also, i'd reason that even though they're immune to fire the sheer heat may not agree with their bodies chemistry and the molecules that much it up.

they're immune ot any level of fire and heat.

The Beast · Unread post by **The Beast** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:21 am

Who owns a laser in Palladium?

Qev · Unread post by **Qev** » Sat Aug 05, 2006 6:36 pm

drewkitty wrote:
runebeo wrote:Lasers are heat based so Id say lasers should not hurt them.

Lasers are only heat based if they are IR lasers, even then they are still just light. I'll go with the book rules that lasers don't hurt Fire Dragons.

Actually, most weaponized lasers rely on thermal effects to do their damage, IRL anyway. Until you start playing with UV lasers... those are nasty, going straight for the molecular bonds. :lol:

I imagine lasers, in Palladium, are considered 'energy damage' as opposed to 'heat damage', though.

However, for some reason Small black holes, small meaning not much mass, attract the a/m side of the pair mor then the matter side thus the matter side of the pair forms particuler radiation away from the BH while the AM side of the pair get sucked into the BH shrinking its mass just a tiny bit. And over time the BH's mass evaporates.

Well That is what I've picked up from reading sci-fi novels. *shrugs*

This is known (or well, theorized) as Hawking radiation, as thought up by you-know-who.

The black holes actually have no preference over the matter or antimatter partner of a virtual pair, at least not to my knowledge. It should just spit them out in relatively equal amounts, with the black hole losing mass either way (antimatter still has 'positive mass', just like regular matter).

Another thing, it is throrized that matter has information in it telling what it is, and if you change that information you could turn matter into anti-matter on a wholesale rate.

Sounds like someone's been reading The Anvil of Stars. Mmm, noach weapons...

Cinos · Unread post by **Cinos** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:07 am

For Fire Dragons, as far as my views go;
Heat = No effect
Lava = Half damage
Sun = Still tosted dragon crisps

Cinos

Borast · Unread post by **Borast** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:23 pm

Lightning bolt = 5x surface of sun temperature...

Nekira Sudacne · Tue Nov 14, 2006 9:35 am

Alejandro wrote:Considering how incredibly wonky the physics of Palladium are and the way the rules are written it's best to say that they are immune to any creatabe heat temperature.

Plasma rifle and flame spells? Yeah, immune.

Stellar level heat such as atmospheric re-entry or stars? Roasted dragon, table 4.

Immune means Immune. No exceptions. otherwise it wouldn't be immune in the first place.