Missing Old One?

Cinos · Unread post by **Cinos** » Thu May 25, 2006 4:11 pm

I was flipping though books last night and stumbled on something I'd never noticed before.
In the main book, if you look at the diabolist power words, there are 7 Old Ones there, Xy, Netosa, Tarm-Kin-Toe, Ya-ahk-met, Agu, Evra, and Ya-Blink. However, in the Old Ones, there is an eight that appearned (has like ten lines about him even there), named Al-Vil. Was this Old One left out of the power words for a reason? Was it just a mistake?

Cinos

Library Ogre · Unread post by **Library Ogre** » Thu May 25, 2006 5:11 pm

Maybe he's not imprisoned? ;-)

Seriously, though (before Nekira starts saying "but Kym-nark-mar is a power word, and he isn't imprisoned"), my bet is that there are some power words whose uses were lost in the Millenium of Purification. If Al-vil's name was only invoked in certain rituals, by one, now-extinct magical tradition, it wouldn't be a useful power word.

Hook: Or would it?

Nekira Sudacne · Thu May 25, 2006 6:00 pm

nexx has a point: it could have been lost.

me? likely an oversight.

J. Lionheart · Unread post by **J. Lionheart** » Thu May 25, 2006 8:13 pm

There are a lot more than 8 old ones too, but those are just the most powerful.

It is intruiging that Al-Vil wouldn't get a power word - though it is also worth noting that Al-Vil was the weakest of those 8. Maybe his power level wasn't sufficient for his name to have an effect like the others, or perhaps jealousy and envy (his signs) were so strong in him that he won't let others tap his power via his name? I doubt it is a mistake - simply a choice.

Good question there Cinos!

Gazirra · Unread post by **Gazirra** » Sat May 27, 2006 3:42 pm

MrGiggles wrote:I think you're all looking at this the wrong way. Maybe he was "lost" like Grandpa Simpson.

So...
Al-Vil became a love tester machine?

J. Lionheart · Unread post by **J. Lionheart** » Sat May 27, 2006 8:10 pm

Quinn Mieron wrote:So...
Al-Vil became a love tester machine?

::sings::
He's the love-matic Old One!

::speaks mechanically::

Test Lady!
Test Lady!

NOW KILL HER!

whulfgar · Unread post by **whulfgar** » Sat May 27, 2006 10:47 pm

I think that perhaps Al-Vil was simply the one who took his own pword out of circulation he did after all Symbolize Envy an Jealousy . Envy of something that cant have an unreasoning hatred of those who do posess it . Perhaps Al-Vil simply decided not to have a pword or indeed it was lost ?

J. Lionheart · Unread post by **J. Lionheart** » Sun May 28, 2006 6:57 pm

Mr Prosek wrote:Wasn't Al-Vil one of the Old Ones that turned on Xy?

Yes.

Ya-Blik and Al-Vil

Nekira Sudacne · Sun May 28, 2006 9:04 pm

Mr Prosek wrote:
J. Lionheart wrote:
Mr Prosek wrote:Wasn't Al-Vil one of the Old Ones that turned on Xy?

Yes.

Ya-Blik and Al-Vil

Thought so. Maybe Thoth had something to do with it. I know Ya-Blik and Al-Vil turned on Xy. Which is why Xy is now Thoth....Thoth helped put the other Old Ones asleep. Maybe Thoth did something to his. (Al-Vil) Then again probably not. Only person who would know would be Uncle Kevin

Thoth dosn't know it ever happened.

but yea. Ya-Blik is the Lord of Betrayal, it was only a matter of time before he turned on Xy. Av-Vil is the Lord of Envy, he envyed Xy's Unbridled Power and so plotted with Ya-Blik to take him down.

I always found that as poetic justice.

Marrowlight · Unread post by **Marrowlight** » Sun May 28, 2006 9:43 pm

Bottles of Mage Milk all across the continent with a picture of a disgusting horror beyond imagining. "Have You Seen This Old One?"

Cinos · Unread post by **Cinos** » Mon May 29, 2006 3:23 am

I doubt Al-vil wasn't powerful enough to become a power word (after all, words such as Acba, Pein, Keron, who arn't mentioned anywhere, the four angel types, and Yin, which could be related to Yin-Sloth are all powerwords, and clearly far weaker than any old one). However, the idea that Al-vil didn't let others use it's power word has some plausability.

Cinos

Nekira Sudacne · Wed May 31, 2006 1:37 am

It can't really be an issue of power. Agu is clearly listed as the weakest of the Great Old Ones, and he's a power word.

I find it most likely Al-Vil simply wasn't used in reference.

The Beast · Unread post by **The Beast** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 10:21 pm

Maybe no one figured out what his name would be a power-word for?

Adam of the Old Kingdom · Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:24 am

or the knowledge was lost, for what to apply it's name to.

or maybe, being powerful, civilised people bay have avoided to horror that word could bring.

I hypothysise more, all of which are seeds for adventure, lost magics, evil sects, lots of bad stuff.

Veknironth · Unread post by **Veknironth** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:57 pm

Well, not only did they omit Al-vil as a power word but also Simon and Theodore.

-Vek
"AAAALLLLLLVVill!"

Library Ogre · Unread post by **Library Ogre** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 2:27 am

Veknironth wrote:Well, not only did they omit Al-vil as a power word but also Simon and Theodore.

-Vek
"AAAALLLLLLVVill!"

We're the Old Ones
O L D O N E S
We're the Old Ones
Guarenteed to ruin your day!
Doot, doot, dootdoot-doot
Doot, doot, dootdoot-doot

The Dark Elf · Unread post by **The Dark Elf** » Tue Jun 20, 2006 7:00 am

For those who dont have Book IV: Adventures in the Northern Wilderness, it is probably worth mentioning here that Al-vil is on a meteor/star causing havoc through Ceratus Dominus and the aster-fall sickness.

Dunno why he hasnt got a power word though . He's certainly powerful enough to cause my characters lots of problems...

Cinos · Unread post by **Cinos** » Sun Jul 09, 2006 3:01 pm

or maybe, being powerful, civilised people bay have avoided to horror that word could bring.

I highly doubt that, seeing all the other stupid things mages have done with the other power words (the War of the Gods and the Elf-Dwarf war just to name a few), I'm sure they'd be willing to use it at some point in the 100,000 years since Al-Vil was locked away.
My bets still on clerical error and oversight.

Cinos

Eryk Stormbright · Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:37 am

J. Lionheart wrote:There are a lot more than 8 old ones too, but those are just the most powerful.

It is intruiging that Al-Vil wouldn't get a power word - though it is also worth noting that Al-Vil was the weakest of those 8. Maybe his power level wasn't sufficient for his name to have an effect like the others, or perhaps jealousy and envy (his signs) were so strong in him that he won't let others tap his power via his name? I doubt it is a mistake - simply a choice.

Good question there Cinos!

where are the other Old Ones besides the 8 main ones mentioned?

Nekira Sudacne · Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:46 pm

Eryk Stormbright wrote:
J. Lionheart wrote:There are a lot more than 8 old ones too, but those are just the most powerful.

It is intruiging that Al-Vil wouldn't get a power word - though it is also worth noting that Al-Vil was the weakest of those 8. Maybe his power level wasn't sufficient for his name to have an effect like the others, or perhaps jealousy and envy (his signs) were so strong in him that he won't let others tap his power via his name? I doubt it is a mistake - simply a choice.

Good question there Cinos!

where are the other Old Ones besides the 8 main ones mentioned?

There was one discribed in the Old One's book, and it mentioned there were others.

Not to forget the Vampire Intelligences: Each Vampire Intelligence is a minor old one.

Eryk Stormbright · Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:18 am

Nekira Sudacne wrote:
Eryk Stormbright wrote:
J. Lionheart wrote:There are a lot more than 8 old ones too, but those are just the most powerful.

It is intruiging that Al-Vil wouldn't get a power word - though it is also worth noting that Al-Vil was the weakest of those 8. Maybe his power level wasn't sufficient for his name to have an effect like the others, or perhaps jealousy and envy (his signs) were so strong in him that he won't let others tap his power via his name? I doubt it is a mistake - simply a choice.

Good question there Cinos!

where are the other Old Ones besides the 8 main ones mentioned?

There was one discribed in the Old One's book, and it mentioned there were others.

Not to forget the Vampire Intelligences: Each Vampire Intelligence is a minor old one.

i just picked up the Old Ones book but i haven't found any mentions of any Old Ones besides the 8 Great Old Ones. and i didn't know that about the vampire itelligences being minor Old Ones.. that's just Nasty. :shock:

Nekira Sudacne · Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:01 am

Eryk Stormbright wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:
Eryk Stormbright wrote:
J. Lionheart wrote:There are a lot more than 8 old ones too, but those are just the most powerful.

It is intruiging that Al-Vil wouldn't get a power word - though it is also worth noting that Al-Vil was the weakest of those 8. Maybe his power level wasn't sufficient for his name to have an effect like the others, or perhaps jealousy and envy (his signs) were so strong in him that he won't let others tap his power via his name? I doubt it is a mistake - simply a choice.

Good question there Cinos!

where are the other Old Ones besides the 8 main ones mentioned?

There was one discribed in the Old One's book, and it mentioned there were others.

Not to forget the Vampire Intelligences: Each Vampire Intelligence is a minor old one.

i just picked up the Old Ones book but i haven't found any mentions of any Old Ones besides the 8 Great Old Ones. and i didn't know that about the vampire itelligences being minor Old Ones.. that's just Nasty.

it's tword the back: the entire adventure of the last half of the book is the lair of a minor Old One named Syth. The adventure being, some of the residents there accidentally weakened the spell on him enough to let him become partially awake though still sealed. He made a Special Chaos-Witch and is helping the witch break his slumber the rest of the way.

Eryk Stormbright · Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:10 am

ouch... i'll have to read up on that, since the Old Ones play into what i'm planning on running for my group. thanks Nekira :-D

Cinos · Unread post by **Cinos** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:58 pm

i just picked up the Old Ones book but i haven't found any mentions of any Old Ones besides the 8 Great Old Ones. and i didn't know that about the vampire itelligences being minor Old Ones.. that's just Nasty

Basiclly all Alien Intellgences of all kinds are minor Old Ones (including lord Kaash in the East).

Cinos

Cinos · Unread post by **Cinos** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:22 pm

Excluding the fact that the Old Ones where insanely more powerful then any Alien Intelligance. . .

Cinos

The Dark Elf · Unread post by **The Dark Elf** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:53 pm

Al-vil is enchained and asleep on some nether-world according to Adventures in the northern wilderness (the best PF book IMO). In "Forest of broken wings" which isnt in the revised ed book his dreams made ceratus dominus "King of Dragons" seek out a baby on Palladium which would have something to do with the war between humans and wolfen. CD was lying on on a planet orbiting some star when these dreams came and has been star jumping a lot.

Is al-vil in slumber on some orbiting asteroid?