Multiple OCCs are NOT possible

RockJock · Unread post by **RockJock** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:55 pm

I don't remember any specific limitations on a psychic switching to OCC. I don't see any reason why it would be a problem. I could see a limit on an occ later becoming a psychic sense it is an in born ability/natural talent instead of just training.

Chuck McDaniel · Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:53 pm

I believe it's the Mystic OCC that can't multi-class. Since it is essentially a mage and psychic Occ. Adding another OCC say from warrior would be too much if not "munchkin".

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Chuck

Library Ogre · Unread post by **Library Ogre** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:20 am

I think it's poorly written, but my take is that one cannot enter those PCCs, but you can leave them, if you like.

J. Lionheart · Unread post by **J. Lionheart** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 8:10 am

Nexx is on it, I believe. As I recall, it isn't that a psi can't go elsewhere, it's that a non-psi can't become a P.C.C.

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 12:03 pm

The multi-class rules in PFRPG are so clunky (IMHO) that I don't bother with them at all.

drewkitty ~..~ · Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:11 am

Acording to the rules for changing you'r chars class, a PPC cannot change their class & a char cannot change to a PCC class.

Yes there are classes that are called OCCs that should be PCCs, Like the afore mentioned Mystic, allong with the warlock class, becasue they are born not made/studied for.
I would use the continuing education rules in HU2 and BTS1 (isn't to famillure with BTS2's yet) to let your PCC to expand their horizons, skill wise.

Unread post by **NMI** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:09 am

My character "Seth The Abadrax" was a 7th level Palladin who had started out as a major Psionic (had physical psi-powers) but through game play, plot furthering, deific involvement became a Mind Mage. Played him til the Mind Mage class reached 9th level. He was cool. I enjoyed him.

For skills he gained the OCC skills and OCC related.

Aramel · Unread post by **Aramel** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 10:02 pm

once a psycic always a psycic to me. i have allowed characters/ players to change to another occ but in doing so their psycic powers were forever frozen for duration and damage type stuff.

Adam of the Old Kingdom · Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:39 am

Death-SpoOk wrote:
Aramel wrote:once a psycic always a psycic to me. i have allowed characters/ players to change to another occ but in doing so their psycic powers were forever frozen for duration and damage type stuff.

sounds reasonable.

Pretty sure it says that any psy cant dual class, but a houserule like this should be doable. Al depends on GM and playergroup.

edit: psy's are quite powerfull from the get go, so i would limit their powers and or isp.

I thought that was the rule for multi-classing, prior tot he 2nd ed removal of multiclassing.

plus PB classes are not designed to be multiclassed.

lastly, use the extra skill picks at later levels, GM discression and some roleplaying to expand your character. multiclassing is not needed.

Damian Magecraft · Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:49 pm

multi-classing in the Palladium system is completely un-needed...
characters are so heavily front loaded that judicious skill selection is all thats needed to create a so-called multiclass char...
Also the Occ/Pcc's are varied enough that there is no need to create a multi class char...
want to run a mage/psychic? then select a mystic...
want a fighter/priest? pick a priest and select combat oriented skills...
see? simple...

Goliath Strongarm · Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:31 am

Damian Magecraft wrote:multi-classing in the Palladium system is completely un-needed...
characters are so heavily front loaded that judicious skill selection is all thats needed to create a so-called multiclass char...
Also the Occ/Pcc's are varied enough that there is no need to create a multi class char...
want to run a mage/psychic? then select a mystic...
want a fighter/priest? pick a priest and select combat oriented skills...
see? simple...

Mystic does NOT cover every base of either the mage, or the psychic. In fact, imo, it's one of the suckier classes. Especially as far as the mage side of it goes. Im sorry, but it just does NOT work...

Fighter priest- ok, take a priest.. use fighter skills.. tell me, which skill lets me use stuff like platemail without extra penalties? Doesn't work, does it?

There ARE advantages to multiclassing.

Library Ogre · Unread post by **Library Ogre** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:58 pm

Goliath Strongarm wrote:
Fighter priest- ok, take a priest.. use fighter skills.. tell me, which skill lets me use stuff like platemail without extra penalties? Doesn't work, does it?

*coughs*

Goliath Strongarm · Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:48 pm

MrNexx wrote:
Goliath Strongarm wrote:
Fighter priest- ok, take a priest.. use fighter skills.. tell me, which skill lets me use stuff like platemail without extra penalties? Doesn't work, does it?

*coughs*

shush, Nexxy. I'd come up with something witty, but its 447 in the morning.. my brain hasnt engaged yet.

Until I come back later today, SHUSH... don't tease with what is yet to come...

Library Ogre · Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:37 pm

Goliath Strongarm wrote:
MrNexx wrote:
Goliath Strongarm wrote:
Fighter priest- ok, take a priest.. use fighter skills.. tell me, which skill lets me use stuff like platemail without extra penalties? Doesn't work, does it?

*coughs*

shush, Nexxy. I'd come up with something witty, but its 447 in the morning.. my brain hasnt engaged yet.

Until I come back later today, SHUSH... don't tease with what is yet to come...

Hee-hee.

Goliath Strongarm · Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:50 am

Now that it's lunchtime, and my brain has fully engaged (ok, almost fully), I have a comback...

Those that can, DO. Those that can't, TEACH. Those that can't teach, teach gym...

At least ya didn't sink ALL the way down.. yet...

--
GS
:bandit:

Postscript: In all seriousness, I have the greatest respect for the teaching profession. Without teachers, our youth would be on the street, ignorant, and causing trouble. As it is, they are on the street, only mostly ignorant, causing trouble. For some few though, they are on the street, educated, and causing trouble.

Library Ogre · Unread post by **Library Ogre** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:35 am

Goliath Strongarm wrote:Now that it's lunchtime, and my brain has fully engaged (ok, almost fully), I have a comback...

Those that can, DO. Those that can't, TEACH. Those that can't teach, teach gym...

At least ya didn't sink ALL the way down.. yet...

No, those who can't teach become principals, where they get to tell the rest of us how to teach, and hire gym coaches to teach math so they have plenty of coaches for sports.

Postscript: In all seriousness, I have the greatest respect for the teaching profession. Without teachers, our youth would be on the street, ignorant, and causing trouble. As it is, they are on the street, only mostly ignorant, causing trouble. For some few though, they are on the street, educated, and causing trouble.

I cannot argue with this assessment.

Damian Magecraft · Mon Oct 30, 2006 12:50 pm

Goliath Strongarm wrote:There ARE advantages to multiclassing.

Ok...convice me that multi-classing is valid and not just the sad atempt at munchkinism that I belive it is...and have yet to date had no one prove other wise...give one example of a multi-class character that isnt an atempt to get the all abilities of both classes and none of the detriments...
do that and I might actually change my stance on multi-classing...

Goliath Strongarm · Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:10 pm

Damian Magecraft wrote:
Goliath Strongarm wrote:There ARE advantages to multiclassing.

Ok...convice me that multi-classing is valid and not just the sad atempt at munchkinism that I belive it is

First off, for my argument, I have been in LOTS of campaigns which have gone beyond the '15 levels' of PB standard. The record? We had a character with over 60 levels. He was a High Priest, a master Wizard, an excellent diabolist, dabbled in circle magic (wasn't too keen on it.. he had a problem with the sacrifices), and then was becoming quite the skilled warlock...

Did all of this make him powerful? Yeah. Was it for munchkinism? No way... if it was, he would have gone with some of the fighter classes instead of other magic classes. What was the point in being a summoner? none... What was the point in taking up warlock? None....

If you're a High Priest (and it was of Thoth, so come on.. a priest of MAGIC), and then a powerful wizard... would you stick with magic? Or go for say.. assassin.. or merc? Nope... we go diabolist. If you're going for munchkinism, you only need one level of diabolist to cover that field. You know all the wards, and the power words. There's no real advantage, besides the % on skills. And by that point? puh-lease.... and he stuck with it until 15.

Now, since this is 1st ed... diabolists could do circles... not as well as summoner, but they still could. So, instead of saying "I can do spells, wards, and circles... lets go a tank class now", the guy says "this character is about magic... I can do divine magic, for Thoth... I can do spells.. I can do wards... I need to really learn about circle magic.." and turns summoner. Doesnt really like it, but sticks with it a while... because thecharacter would. Now, at this point, he truly was a master of magic. Instead of now going for a fighting class, and becoming truly NASTY.... he does what? Warlock... why? He already knows most of those spells, just as the wizard version. He's powerful enough he could REALLY do some nasty spell-tinkering... what was the point? because the character would...

Now, that IS a rather extreme case, because the character was so insanely high level. But, even if he wasnt... the motivations behind changing OCC's is the important thing. If the guy/gal is 5th level fighter, and suddenly wants to become a wizard... why? make the player explain to you WHY he wants to change classes.

Then, when he finds a teacher.. make him explain why again, IN CHARACTER to the NPC teacher. I've always done this for those that want to change classes in my games. If you've trained and trained to become something.... why do you suddenly want to toss it aside to do something else?