More or Less of Center

Greyaxe · Unread post by **Greyaxe** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:20 pm

Original Phase World lists Center as having 10 levels and describes them. Anvil Galaxy pg 22 lists Center as having hundreds of levels. Which do you prefer and why.

Personally I like the more than 10 less than 50 myself but hey I'm not a writer for Palladium.

Chaos · Unread post by **Chaos** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:28 am

Just great :-?

as usual I lock up the vote with nothing interesting to add to the discussion

as for center ...

I just make everything massive as big as I can imagine that way I always have room to improve it later. As pretty much the 'Center' of the Megaverse I figured it has to be bigger than described but until I actually get there with a ruler and some good 3D modeling programs, the actual size of center will elude me :ok:

Chaos · Unread post by **Chaos** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:57 am

Darkmax wrote:it is truly huge...

Though I thought in the first book, it said the center is a one-mile cube above the surface of the planet and another mile beneath.....

IIRC you are right about that, I just make it bigger in my games but then I kinda think of it more the like the Scraypers planet to be honest, Thats one planet where they really know what 'futuristic cityscape' really means! :lol:

If you are sticking with cannon I'd probably go with whichever was published more recently that being 3 Galaxies but I like the way Quester sees it and is very much how I describe it for my players (I just make it big ... I did say big right? Maybe I should say huge ... or colossal ... hmm ... ah you get where I'm going here I think I'll just stick with big! Anyway its ... umm ... BIG!) :ok:

Greyaxe · Unread post by **Greyaxe** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:34 pm

Actually it is not a cube it is one mile in height but covers the area of a large city.

Carl Gleba · Unread post by **Carl Gleba** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:55 pm

Given the dimensions that were described in SB2 I went with 10 Levels. However I imagine there can be numerous sub-levels.

Carl

KLM · Unread post by **KLM** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:06 am

600 million inhabitants for 10 levels (but like 6 or so
holds the bulk of the population) - so each level is
crammed with hundred-story buildings.

Adios
KLM

Braden Campbell · Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:11 am

10 Major levels... but keep in mind that if the top half of Center is a mile high (the other half is burried underground), and if a story averages 12 feet high, then on average, you could put an 83-floor skyscraper on levels 1-5.

So 10 major levels, but each level is going to be a maze of interconnecting corridors and bridges between buildings to the point that it is an unnavigatable mess.

KLM · Unread post by **KLM** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:26 am

Still... If Center is a mile high cube on the surface, and
the same underground, about 10 cubic meters space
will get to each, of the 600 million inhabitands. And that
meant, interlevel walls are paper thin... Streets, elevators,
interdimensional gates, hangars, factories, marketplaces
all deducted from this 10 cubic meters.
Which is roughly equals the passanger space of a big
car.

I guess Center must be bigger inside, than outside.

Much bigger.

Except of course, if Center is a mile high, but its base
is much bigger than a mile square - making it 10 by 10 miles
makes more sense.

Or maybe both.

Adios
KLM

Carl Gleba · Unread post by **Carl Gleba** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 11:28 am

As I recall while they do say Center is a mile high, they never really give its dimensions. When I was working up parts of Center for the third Minion War book, for the Manors alone I when with a 4 miles wide by 4 miles long. 16 square miles is a lot of area. It just gets bigger the lower you go.

Carl

Greyaxe · Unread post by **Greyaxe** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:48 am

Carl Gleba wrote:As I recall while they do say Center is a mile high, they never really give its dimensions. When I was working up parts of Center for the third Minion War book, for the Manors alone I when with a 4 miles wide by 4 miles long. 16 square miles is a lot of area. It just gets bigger the lower you go.

Carl

Actually the origional description is Center is 1 mile high and had the width and bredth of a large city. Maybe 50x50 miles, its huge.

Carl Gleba · Unread post by **Carl Gleba** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:04 pm

Greyaxe wrote:
Carl Gleba wrote:As I recall while they do say Center is a mile high, they never really give its dimensions. When I was working up parts of Center for the third Minion War book, for the Manors alone I when with a 4 miles wide by 4 miles long. 16 square miles is a lot of area. It just gets bigger the lower you go.

Carl

Actually the original description is Center is 1 mile high and had the width and bredth of a large city. Maybe 50x50 miles, its huge.

Well since no numbers were quoted as I recall, I figured I was at liberty to come up with some. Weather that was a good idea or not is yet to be seen. Still I think with the dimensions I came up with its pretty darn big and able to hold the number of sentient beings listed.

Carl

Greyaxe · Unread post by **Greyaxe** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:41 pm

You are correct for given dimensions other than it covers the width of a city.

Greyaxe · Unread post by **Greyaxe** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:54 am

Well that is the big question isn't it. I live in a city of 150 000 a small city and it covers a land area of aproximatly 10 km x 20 km. I think of it as a small city. How big is a city which will cover 600 million people

KLM · Unread post by **KLM** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:05 pm

I guess if we count like 1000 cubic meters for
one person, it will not be a terribly claustrofobic
settlement.

That means, if Center has a total height of 3500
meters (a bit over 2 miles, underground parts included)
and it has a base of a square like 13*13 km,
(cca. 8*8 miles) it will give sufficient space for the
600 million inhabitants.

It might change if we would know Center's actual
shape.

Adios
KLM

Greyaxe · Unread post by **Greyaxe** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:57 pm

What we know:
center is two miles in height includeng subteranian levels
Center is more or less square shaped on the sides
center covers the sixe of a large city.

Therefore we know the width and depth are aproximatly the same and that measurment is the size of a city.

So, how big is the city. Lets take the dimensions of a realativly small city and say the area covers 10km by 10km. which is 6.2 miles, say 6. so we have a 2 mile by 6 mile by 6 mile that is 64 cubic miles of volume. I dont have the math skills to calculate the number of cubic feet per person but that seems like a reasonable amount of space to me.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:58 am

I've always felt that it was too few levels for the numbers of peoples it has to deal with.

Greyaxe · Unread post by **Greyaxe** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:31 pm

Aramanthus wrote:I've always felt that it was too few levels for the numbers of peoples it has to deal with.

Not necessarily, if that level is 800' tall and populated with skyscrapers kile manhatten you could hold many millions of people, particlularly if that level is a square that is 50mi x 50 mi.

Carl Gleba · Unread post by **Carl Gleba** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:44 pm

Darkmax wrote:being a dumb Singaporean, I guess I could never define the difference between a town and a city. I always thought a city would have to have a population of at least 1/4 million people......

I used to think my home town of Utica new york was a city and we only had maybe 69,000 people at our peak? I eventually traveled to real cities :lol:

I still prefer Utica and Rome. At least I can drive across the cities in 15 minutes!

Carl

Carl Gleba · Unread post by **Carl Gleba** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:56 pm

Darkmax wrote::lol:

I used to think Singapore was a big city.... until I toured Tokyo.... Even then, it was never ending.....

Now those whould be two cities to visit. They must be cool.

Carl

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 12:29 am

You put it like that GreyAxe, then you are absolutely correct. And I know that is how Center is supposed to be. But I didn't think it was 50 miles by 50 miles.

Greyaxe · Unread post by **Greyaxe** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:16 am

Lets use manhatten as an example because it is covered from one end to the other in skycsrapers and appartment buildings. SO how big is manhatten.

Greyaxe · Unread post by **Greyaxe** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 4:49 pm

The island is 20 mi² (51.8 km²) of land measuring 13 miles (21 km) long and 2.3 miles (3.7 km) across at its widest point

Wikkipedia is good. So Carl you measurements of 4x4 miles are pretty close to Manhattan wich could be broken into 4x5 or maybe even 5x5 which would be a little larger and still maintain a huge population

1,593,200 people (up from 1.4 million in 1990) 738,644 households, and 302,105 families residing in Manhattan.GR2 Counted on its own, Manhattan would be the fifth largest city it is also the most densly populated area of north america.

The population density was 66,940.1/mi² (25,849.9/km²), the highest population density of any county in the United States

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:35 am

Thanks for the Data Greyaxe!

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