Rifts Ultimate Increased Spell Effects from Leylines/Nexi?

Kalinda · Unread post by **Kalinda** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:26 pm

I can't find it either.

I hope it's just a mistake, I like that rule.

Gabriel_V · Unread post by **Gabriel_V** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:53 pm

I'd say it's possible that damage boosts for magic were removed intentionally. Because damage boosts for Psionics were nerfed.

The only thing I can find is on page 366 that Psionic damage on a ley line is increased by one die and damage on a nexus is increased by two dice. As opposed to the old +50%/x2 rule from before.

Sigh. Yet another thing broken/nerfed that didn't need fixing.

:/

Blue Eyes · Unread post by **Blue Eyes** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:44 pm

hi everyone

I have been a gm for quite some time now, and my copy of the Main rules book is from 1992. When i read the Ultimate edition i immediately stumble over things that make me wonder and scratch my head. As many of you have already pointed out KS and his gang seem to change a lot of the things that we all like about the game, things that work and do not need to be changed (including the rules on magic and psionics on/near leylines and nexus points). Some find it munchkin-like that an average CS grunt can take down a hatchling dragon in seconds with a full round burst inflicting 4d6*10MD. I simply disagree, all players learn fast what weapons are powerful and which ones arent and im not even gonna get into what is realistic and what not, cause i dont think it applies to roleplaying games. A coalition grunt can do a full round burst but he can also as a soldier save his ammo and fire aimed shots or 20% burst, this all depends on the circumstances.
These rules change nothing, all it means (if u use them) is that players will use the NG-P7 instead of the C-12

cause it does more damage now than the C-12. A never ending spiral

I guess what im trying to say is, i dont think there exist any such thing as OFFICIAL rules for rifts, just because they change some rules in a new released book does not mean u have to agree with them, do what the hell u like, KS himself is the biggest fan of this concept. I mean every gm has his own house rules, things were he or she found a glitch and fixed it. Some have many some have few - stick with it and just explain ur players how you run ur game.
I do wonder why they keep changing the rules though, i know that they are trying to improve the game and make it easier to play and understand, but in my opinion they really do not. They make people more confused than they already are, why else would we need these forums?

Should KS or any of his crew ever read this i just want to say: stop changing things that work and start fixing things that really need it, like giving background information on the Promethean race, coming up with new badguys instead of an alien intelligences in every state and on every continent, make descriptions of equipment that doesnt leave the reader with more questions than answers, seriously i could go on for 2 pages like this.
All in all i like being a gm and a player of the palladium system, have fun everyone

c ya

RainOfSteel · Unread post by **RainOfSteel** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:21 pm

Blue Eyes wrote:hi everyone

[...]

c ya

Why are you posting exact duplicate text in multiple topics?

Kalinda · Unread post by **Kalinda** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:42 pm

Maybe he's a spambot?

Braden Campbell · Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:09 am

Did we ever get an answer to this one? Are magic spells no longer doubled at a ley line, tripled at a nexus point.... because that made real sense to me. Powerful wizards were thus very hard to dislodge (by the Coalition, say) if they had parked themselves on top of a Nexus.

So, was this an intentional change, or a cut-and-paste mistake?

Greyaxe · Unread post by **Greyaxe** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:53 am

If my vote counts it was a bad cut and paste mistake. The whole reason Rifts earth is attractive to Supernatural things is for two reasons. The supernatural are megadamage on rifts earth and magic is greatly increased at ley lines. Not to mention they have access to and unlimited number or worlds. Taking this away from rifts really makes magic useless comparatively.

mobuttu · Unread post by **mobuttu** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:30 am

I agree it's a bad cut&paste. For magic enhancement in ley lies I use the same rules for Psionic boosting in the RUE.
Q.

Chaos · Unread post by **Chaos** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:11 pm

This one has popped up several different times over the years and the best explanation I ever heard was in this thread pay attention to Nekira (I wish Nekira had better resources to site or something readily available to all of us but then thats Nekira :rolleyes:

it happens a lot :-?

). Despite the lack of source the end result is the same and the argument valid.

The Galactus Kid · Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:17 pm

It is in the errata. Once its put up on the website you'll have it. As for the answer, I believe(I say believe because I don't have my notes with me) its 25% or 50% to the range/damage/duration etc.

Reagren Wright · Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:50 pm

I'm assuming its the same as Old Rifts. Being at a ley line or or one mile
from a nexus point draw an additional 10 P.P.E. per level of experience
every 12 hours. Recover 10 P.P.E. every half hour. Being at a
ley line nexus or within 200 ft 30 P.P.E. per level of experience
every 6 hours. Recover 20 P.P.E per half hour. Midday and midnight
add 20 P.P.E. per level of the mage. Spring and Fall Equinox. Add
100 P.P.E. per level of experience. Summer & Winter Solstice
(The P.P.E. is the same as the equinox during the 24 hour period), however at the
dawn of the solstice there is 5 minutes of 300 P.P.E per level of
experience. Sunset there is 5 minutes of 200 P.P.E. per level of
experience. Lunar Eclipse (like the one we just had this weekend
3/3-4/07 there is 90 minutes of 400 P.P.E per level of experience.
The partial solar eclipse or three or more planets in a straightline
receive 1000 P.P.E per level of experience.

Sureshot · Unread post by **Sureshot** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:58 pm

The Galactus Kid wrote:It is in the errata. Once its put up on the website you'll have it. As for the answer, I believe(I say believe because I don't have my notes with me) its 25% or 50% to the range/damage/duration etc.

Is it included in the second printing?

Greyaxe · Unread post by **Greyaxe** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:05 pm

Darkly Dreaming Sureshot wrote:
The Galactus Kid wrote:It is in the errata. Once its put up on the website you'll have it. As for the answer, I believe(I say believe because I don't have my notes with me) its 25% or 50% to the range/damage/duration etc.

Is it included in the second printing?

Ill check the magic section tonight. I have the second edition printing and ill find out.

Braden Campbell · Tue Mar 06, 2007 5:47 pm

no it isn't.

Unless it is very cleverly buried. But it certainly isn't under the Ley Line section where it ought to be

The Galactus Kid · Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:14 pm

It is under Other sources of P.P.E. under ley lines and nexus points. Its a prenthetical reference.

Sureshot · Unread post by **Sureshot** » Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:29 pm

The Galactus Kid wrote:It is under Other sources of P.P.E. under ley lines and nexus points. Its a prenthetical reference.

Thanks for the information.

Braden Campbell · Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:37 am

No, what I was referring to were these rules:

* being within 2 miles of a ley line increases range and duration of spells by 50%

* being on a ley line, or 1 mile from a nexus doubles the range, damage, and duration of spells.

* being within 200 feet of a nexus triples the range, damage, and duration of spells. It also give the mage +1 to their spell strength and +2 to save against magic.

The parts about times of increased PPE are still there, but the above are either missing or have been changed rule-wise. We would just like to know which is the case.

The list of Super-nexii si also not included in R:UE.