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glitterboy2098 wrote:they're not quite as dangerous on the ground.....well, compared to a 3G's military of the same #'s. :lol:

they don't cart around planes for CAS. or artillery. or tanks.

just infantry. Chor'ii tactics look something like the beginning of Enemy at the gates, complete with "loyalty enforcers" machine gunning down any Conscript that retreats, though in urban war they tend to break up alot.


Errr... I have the feeling that those charges do end as in the movie
(and in the reality, where Soviet soldier, filled up with liquid bravery
were massacred by machine guns - first the German/Axis guns, then
the survivors by the comissars).

On the other hand... It looks like they collect everything and
carry away... It is very uneconomical to do it on foot.

A for their weaponry... I guess the best infantry weapon they
can field is this:
http://avia-tech.net/topics.php?aTopicId=1&pk_aId=107

But even this might be a squad's heavy weapon.

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Something what might not be totally off topic:
http://us.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0275847/1 ... 847&seq=32
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Some interesting ideas about how to handle those ravenous little teddy bears!
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Errr... I have the feeling that those charges do end as in the movie
(and in the reality, where Soviet soldier, filled up with liquid bravery
were massacred by machine guns - first the German/Axis guns, then
the survivors by the comissars).

depends alot on how its used and what your up against. in Enemy at the gates, that was suicidal. the in the real Stalingrad battle no such tactics were used.

the soviets did use human wave attacks , sometimes to great effect, in WW1 and at times in WW2. they'd send massed units of Convicts and captured deserters forward to swamp the german guns while the regular troops followed behind using the convicts as an ablative shield.

against prepared positions, human wave attacks are suicide. against improvised positions, they can be quite effective. just ask the Rangers and Delta's that fought in Mogadishu. they fought down mobs of poorly armed people, but took a horrific toll in casualties in the process. especially pertinent to the case at hand was the two snipers that held off an entire mob protecting the second crash site. they only ran into serious problems when they ran out of ammo.

and thats the whole principle behind human wave attacks. "more bodies than bullets".



A for their weaponry... I guess the best infantry weapon they
can field is this:
http://avia-tech.net/topics.php?aTopicId=1&pk_aId=107

But even this might be a squad's heavy weapon.


actually, i was thinking 4mm rifles firing venom filled hollowpoints. their guns would be originally designed ot kill other Chor'ii, and to do that you need something a bitmore effective than punching holes in things. grenade launchers, rocket launchers, and SAM's would be assigned En-mass as well, but not to every combatant. (mostly to officers and loyalty enforcers. to much risk of the lower class conscripts turning on the upper class commanders.)
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That would make for very effective ground assualt once your troops were on the ground. It would be one nasty and costly affair to stop them with nukes.
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Overwhelm and get in among your enemies...that way, unless they're willing to call in artillery on their own heads, they're going to have trouble using their WMD support...

Either way it's a win-win for the Chor'ii....They either conquer or they remove excess population(or more often do both)
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I could see the Chor'ii developing weapons that captures they enemy alive and paralyzed. That way they don't waste supplies. I know that isn't pleasant to think about. Sorry.
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glitterboy2098 wrote:
the soviets did use human wave attacks , sometimes to great effect, in WW1 and at times in WW2. they'd send massed units of Convicts and captured deserters forward to swamp the german guns while the regular troops followed behind using the convicts as an ablative shield.


Sounds good. Just the grandpa's here told otherwise - so I do beleive
that scene from Enemy at the Gates (funny, that I read the story
from the soviet side a few years before tho movie. There was
no face to face sniper duel... Just a carefully aimed shot at a
possible sniper's helm, and them getting the hell out of
there, like his namesake (Zajcik = rabbit). ).

Another quite shocking thing is that a friend of mine (college
grade in military engineering) told, that according to a soviet
model, there were rations for peace, war and frontline.

In peace, minimal fuel, and vodka.
In war more fuel, minimal vodka.
In frontline service some fuel and lots of vodka.

Now, one does not send in drunken troops to a well
designed assault - unless they are to be used a bullet
catchers. Or mine disposal...


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That raises the ugly prospect of Chor'ii combat drugs...or maybe even a quick version of a Chor'ii Juicer....quick creation with minimal equipment aboard a troopship, average lifespan of a year(more like 2d4 months)...
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And once they get ready for last call they serve out there final day as the days special from the cafe!
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The troops are most probably laced as long as they
are not needed.

Just in case, so that they will not invite each other for
dinner, to say so, and also for saving energy.

And that of course adds another reason for using combat
drugs...

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They still might enjoy that as the house special. :D
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Drugs to keep them groggy in transit, and thus not using much in the way of resources, drugs to perk them up, maybe drugs to give them some adaptation to an alien environment, then more drugs to kill pain and make them even more aggressive...The ship's med-officer(s) are basically drug-pushers, less there to treat wounded and more to keep the drugs mobving...or find substitutes for teh drugs when supplies run low...


Hmmm...instead of ranks, maybe Chor'ii have an 'Expendability Index' that rates your value to society...from 'Fertilizer' through various grades of 'Meat', 'Cannon-Fodder' and so on....Getting a bump in military rank isn't as important as getting a bump up in your Expendability Rating...
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taalismn wrote:The ship's med-officer(s) are basically drug-pushers, less there to treat wounded and more to keep the drugs mobving...or find substitutes for teh drugs when supplies run low...


There is one more thing they had to do rather well: disease control.

Well, maybe not on a level of an individual ship (which are rather
often wiped out by plagues, or even atomised instead of quarantined)
but also, they have to ensure that waht they eat wont kill them
on the long run.. Or even on the very short in case of Lurgess and
the like.

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Another thing they'd have to learn about would be parasites. They might be vulnerable to parasites. So they would have to investigate any possible out break and be able to kill the infestation.
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They probably found this out since they live in huge and
crowded arcologies.

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Yeah, but there might be things out in the broad universe that they'd need to watch out for. I'm sure that in their own cities they are fine. But if they conquer a world they'll need to make sure there is nothing there that could kill them. Of course that is what surveys are supposed to be for.

You are right about their own cities KLM.
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So their high rate of birth and abysmal living conditions might actually make them more resistant to bioweapons....ouch...
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Well, if not actually resistant as such (thought their physiology
by the casual look puts any vulture, lizard and even cockroach
to shame), but they are adept in desease control.

It is a twist, if they are "naturally" resistant, so that their technology
(medicine) did not have to bother with plagues - just when they
faced some alien vectors.

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As a side note, these little bugbears do look like for me as
having a not-so-hot metabolism.

I mean several stomachs, while they are exclusively
carnivorous suggest they digest their food loooong
(thought probably getting every calorie from it),
having such a decentralised respiratory system...

So while they are most probably capable short bursts
of rapid movement, and might have the endurance
to wait for a mouse before the hole for hours (if not
days) without moving a hair, they probably lack
the ability to fight (or run, etc) for minutes.

Just my two cents.

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So you think that they might have a real tiny overall endurance. Good for really brief engagements, but not good for battles that might last for hours. Interesting. I guess I hadn't really thought about that too much. Great job KLM.
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Aramanthus wrote:So you think that they might have a real tiny overall endurance. Good for really brief engagements, but not good for battles that might last for hours. Interesting. I guess I hadn't really thought about that too much. Great job KLM.


On the other hand, for walking days, or sniper-like engagement
they are better suited than humans/wolfen.

Thought, mind you, it is really rare for a human too to be able to run
from cover to cover for minutes, without rest. Adrenaline surge
takes a lot of out the body.

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Just so long as they can't breath napalm or outrun walking artillery barrages...
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Or be able to avoid the shock wave of a nuclear blast. That would be very bad if they could.
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Aramanthus wrote:Or be able to avoid the shock wave of a nuclear blast. That would be very bad if they could.


Or Fuel Air Explosives...
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Those work too! :D
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I would say that the key is not let them land in the first place.

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KLM wrote:I would say that the key is not let them land in the first place.

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Agreed....Mines...lots of mines...hypervelocity orbital debris, mountainsides turned into laser batteries fed by geothermal energy...relavistic velocity shrapnel....

Naruni stands to make billions off arming locals against the Chor'ii...
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And they may end with some new planets under their control if those planets spend too much with NE.
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NE wouldn't want the planets unless they could garauntee that their mar---er, clients had completely sewpt and ended the local Chor'ii threat first...planets that are constantly in the line of fire are a drain on corporate resources, unless there's some tangible payoff for them...like constant flow of funds from the defenders, ore, or some substance that only the planet can provide...of course, onc e the flow or value of that substance/ore dries up and/or falls below the costs of maintaining the planetary defense, the Naruni are going to pull out, preferably while nobody is looking...
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That is probably very true about NE.
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They're in it ultimately for the power and money...and money is power...
Oh, you'll have them making public relations 'sacrifices' like supporting various movements and arming the righteous...and if their backs are to teh wall, they'll fight alongside you if they don't have an escape opportunity...but their goal will ultimately be to protect company assets(including themselves) and stabilize the situation as much as possible so they can get back to Business As Usual.
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Yes, they are the ultimate arms merchants in the megaverse!
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And as they say:

The Forge created life. NE makes them equal.

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LOL!! :lol: :lol: That is a very astute observation KLM!!!
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But some life is more equal than the rest...
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I agree Taalismn! :D
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"My Lady," the protector of Grayson told his Champion, "I do not wish him to leave this chamber alive."

"As you will it, your Grace."

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nothing new to report yet, still working out their stuff.

found myself reading the posleen war books by Ringo, darn good reading. though the teddys aren't anywhere near that bad. the posleen are you typical "horde" army, just armed with anti-tank guns. the chor'ii should be easier to take out using traditional weapons given their lack of armored vehicles and lighter weapons.


That raises the ugly prospect of Chor'ii combat drugs...or maybe even a quick version of a Chor'ii Juicer....quick creation with minimal equipment aboard a troopship, average lifespan of a year(more like 2d4 months)...

i don't think juicers really fit..

Drugs to keep them groggy in transit, and thus not using much in the way of resources, drugs to perk them up, maybe drugs to give them some adaptation to an alien environment, then more drugs to kill pain and make them even more aggressive...The ship's med-officer(s) are basically drug-pushers, less there to treat wounded and more to keep the drugs mobving...or find substitutes for teh drugs when supplies run low...


maybe more like the combat drugs given to the master's civilians in robotech? inject the troops while landing so their alert, feel no pain, and are suicidally motivated to attack?

i like the idea of drugs used to keep them groggy and slow in transit. cheaper than coldsleep. maybe like the hibernation drug in ringo's books? slow the metabolism and bodily functions down to real low levels, so they can go to sleep and don't need to eat or use as much air for months at a time?

Hmmm...instead of ranks, maybe Chor'ii have an 'Expendability Index' that rates your value to society...from 'Fertilizer' through various grades of 'Meat', 'Cannon-Fodder' and so on....Getting a bump in military rank isn't as important as getting a bump up in your Expendability Rating...


i liek that. at least within the levels of society. royals (the elite families) having one scale (officers), loyalty enforcer clans having another (security/commisars, and the elite troops),and fodder having a third (workers/grunts)

i see the typical fire team of a chor'ii platoon being 20 teddys, 1 royal, 3 loyalty enforcers, and 16 fodder. fodder wear no armor and carry rifles, while the royal and enforcers have body armor and the heavy weapons. like smart missile launchers, autogrenade launchers, machineguns, and so on. the fodder exist to serve as ablative meat shields for the royals and enforcers, who are the ones with the real firepower. a Chor'ii comapany is about 1000 troops, roughly 50 fire teams. call it 5 platoons of 100 troops each.

a standard teddy company would then be 10 royals, 30 enforcers, and 160 fodder. with 160 rifles, and 40 heavy weapons.

(yes, i did steal this idea from the posleen books, but i like how it works. a nice counter point to the modern military orginization of the real world, which most 3G's groups would use.)


oh, and the term "teddy" was inspired by Lord_Z over at nexus nine, who mentioned that he thought his players would look at the description and start calling them "crazy teddy bears."

which of course, was part of the reason i did it. the human psyche is wired to equate "monster" with "ugly" or "scary". the idea of a cute little monster is hard to accept. you expect a shark to attack and kill you, but not a house cat. in a way, the idea of cute little teddy bears out to eat you and strip mine your world is more disturbing than if they were a mass of writhing tentacles.
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Not all that happy with Ringo...admittedly he tries to focus his attention on a handful of viewpoints in a larger campaign, without zipping omnisciently all over the place like, say, Larry Niven's Footfall, but he has a tendency to pop in deus ex machinas without any real sense of context...I prefer David Brinn or Ian Banks for high tech combat, even though Brinn glosses over combat tech and Banks' tech borders on magic...

Maybe a few hovervehicles for the Chor'ii? Or Lunar-Rover style folding jeeps for the officers and to haul logistics and a few heavier weapons? Hovercycle scout/raiding vehicles? Bare minimal frame, but can be 'filled out' with native materials once a beachhead is secured.
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taalismn wrote:Maybe a few hovervehicles for the Chor'ii? Or Lunar-Rover style folding jeeps for the officers and to haul logistics and a few heavier weapons? Hovercycle scout/raiding vehicles? Bare minimal frame, but can be 'filled out' with native materials once a beachhead is secured.


good point. i like the "lunar rover" type jeeps idea, give them a pintle mount missile launcher or autogrenade launcher with more ammo option and they'd do ok as a support unit. oooo...maybe a mortar...




oh, and i threw together the rifle used by the fodder..
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General, as requested i have assembled what little we have determined about the Chor'ii weapons capability for your report. the notations in the margins are my personal speculations about the topic, and should not appear in the final document.

Chor'ii Rifle
a simple weapon using explosively propelled .22 caliber (5.7 mm) Kinetic Projectiles (how primative), each a hollowpoint round containing an amount of chemical toxin known to be lethal to most carbon based organic lifeforms (a response to Chor'ii biology?). the toxin disrupts the electrochemical nerve impulses of the victim, causing their autonamus system(s) to shut down. the toxin decomposes within in minutes of being exposed to oxygen, including that suspended in a body. (probably so the remains will be edible after a battle. barbaric..)
the rifle itself is unable to penetrate most body armor, but is highly effective against soft tissue (like most projectile weaponry). the rifle is stocky, only 2 feet long, and appears skeletal, as the stock and frame is made out of stamped metal just large enough to house the barrel and internal workings. it has both semiautomatic and automatic fire modes, although the gas operated automatic fire rate is rather slow compared to most human derived assault rifles of similar technology levels. it has a box magazine that is easily swapped out (sometimes too easily, it has been witnessed falling out on its own, probably due to flaws in the receiver design). the weapon is difficult to clean (something few Chor'ii fodder's apparently know how to do), and easily jams. it has no sights (just as well, most fodder don't seem to aim anyway), and its balance is horrific. (i can only speculate that this weapon is simple to manufacture and use, leading to its pervasive presence in the chor'ii military. that the weapons used by the commanders and enforcers are superior quality supports this assumption.)

Primary Purpose: anti-infantry
Secondary Purpose: Self-inflicted wounds.
Damage: 1D8 sd single shot, or 3D8 sd for a 3 round burst. victims hit by this weapon must make a Save Vs. poison, a failed result causes great pain and requires a Save verses death.
Range: 400 meters (1312 feet)
Rate of Fire: single, or a three round burst.
Payload: 60 rounds per magazine.
Special: this weapon has poor design and balance. it is -2 to strike at all times, -4 to strike beyond 200 meters (656 feet), and a result of a natural 1 or 2 means the weapon has jammed, rendering it inoperable until the jam is cleared (requires 1 melee to correct)

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one thing about being 4 armed, the teddy's can swap out a magazine or clear a bolt without dropping what little aim they use.
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Don't forget the bayonet slung under the barrel
Gel-slug knockdown rounds for taking live prey...

Maybe adopt something like the Stoner-63 modular weapons system for a 'family' of rifles, light machineguns, submachine guns, and the like with a commonality of parts..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoner_63

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as76-e.htm
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taalismn wrote:Don't forget the bayonet slung under the barrel
Gel-slug knockdown rounds for taking live prey...

i hadn't igured on bayonets, with their biology a knife would be next to useless as a weapon. though you can bet a teddy carries a knife for skinning/filleting.
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They're likely to adopt some sort of barrel-mounted utility tool...and pigstickers are great for keeping other critters at arm's length.
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glitterboy2098 wrote:
taalismn wrote:Don't forget the bayonet slung under the barrel
Gel-slug knockdown rounds for taking live prey...

i hadn't igured on bayonets, with their biology a knife would be next to useless as a weapon. though you can bet a teddy carries a knife for skinning/filleting.


First, bayonets need not be just a pointing weapon, they can be
a cutting one too. Therefore - while a stabbed wound still can slow
down a teddy, which might be enough in a melee, I bet no chori is
happy to get stabbed - they can chop down an arm or a few fingers.

Second, they also expected to encounted alien life forms, who
are more vulnerable to perforation.

Third, bayonets can be used to inject the same poison.

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Fang Blades---as long as you have adequate supplies of suitable toxins/corrosives to top off the blade reservoirs with, they can be nearly as effective as vibroblades...

Hmmm...assassins' vibroblades...that may be worth looking into...
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Some interesting ideas that you guys are working on. I like their rifle!
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Hmmm...I wonder if perhaps I could persuade glitterboy2098 to resurrect the rifle grenade...
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Suitably primitive and easy to make, but also easily upgradable to use different explosives :D
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The rifle grenade could be a weapon they might use as a standard. But we'll have to see what GB says on it, since it's his baby!
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