Central Alliance Cyborg

Ziggurat the Eternal · Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:41 pm

Remember, 3G's borgs can have forcefields of 300 mdc and much better weapons. Besides, it just says the cyborgs look the part. If they look the part and fit the power level I don't see any reason to change them, except for the exp part. That might be a little nerfed. I'll check my books when I get home tonight and ponder your question, cuz now that I think about it, it does seem somewhat wierd that backwoods, low tech russia should have such powerful cyborgs. Orloff's camp uses alien tech but the rest are about equal so that doesnt seem right......damnit now I'm not gonna sleep tonight.....

Greyaxe · Unread post by **Greyaxe** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:59 pm

As the previous poster pointed out these cyborgs are not the sleek cyborgs of the 3G, they dont have force fields and they dont have nanotechnology. In addition i would not use the OCC or experience charts just the frames of the cyborgs. As an example I would user an occ form 3G sorucebooks but give them bionic bodies. Just my two cents.

Armorlord · Unread post by **Armorlord** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:22 am

The thing to remember about the Russian cyborg shocktroopers is that in scale and purpose they are tanks, aerial fightercraft, and power armor.
The Silverhawk Attack ExoSkeleton would be a better 3G analogue to the Avenging Angel. Convert it to cyborg use and fill it with bionic goodies and extras and it would easily trounce a normal 3G 'borg- and still be smaller and lighter than the Russian, plus faster and better armored.

To make cyborg shocktroopers on a 3G scale, using the NGR Robot Soldier and modifying 3G bots and PA for the stats might be a better fit, slapping on extra arms, shoulder mounts, treads/wheels/wings, and other bionic features as needed for additional awesomeness as budget allows. The Light and Heavy Machine classes should be fine as is though, for what they are.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:15 pm

Some nice ideas. I was going to suggest using the cyborgs of Russia as an example too. But you beat me to it. Plus there is one special borg in the Mercs book in one of those Merc units that is way superior to pretty much every earth borg. Maybe you should use aspects of each of these examples to create the Central Alliance borgs. I'm interested in seeing what you do come up with.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:57 pm

Remember, the Central Alliance is in a rather 'backwater' part of the Anvil that's seen balkanization and a general overall lack of prosperity, so technology progress isn't as fast as in other parts of the 3G...likewise, education and professional training have also fallen by the wayside in many areas....and like Rifts Russia, for many people in the Central Alliance, cyborgization is the social way up and out of their dismal lot...Think post-Succession War Battletech in some regions...while other areas would be more classic Cyberpunkish...so it's not entirely unlikely or unusual that Russian cyborgs would be on a par with the average CA'er cyborg....General Noldek's big cultural kick in the arse is that he's (re)unifying these worlds, using superior firepower and technology, and combining them into a power bloc that can make better use of pooled resources, encourage trade, and lead to an overall advancement in fortunes and technology across his realm...

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:45 pm

I doubt the Altess would ship them much in the way of cutting edge technology unless they saw an immediate threat in the offing, but they might allow right of way for CA mercantile shipping, and make generous third or fourth-person loans available to the CA(like polilitical campaign financing...the Altess wouldn't show up direct and wrote out a big check to General Noldek...he'd find it both suspicious and insulting...but they would do it through a lot of little front concerns...).

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:17 pm

Slummin' in the Central Alliance...go in in a stealthed yacht and watch from a distance while the hired help delivers the brown paper bags...

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:44 pm

I think the Altess would always deal with people they consider lessers thru an intermediate.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:01 pm

Interesting NPC and ship! How about fleshing them out. Both NPC and the ship! I'd love to see them stated out.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:33 am

Gofor it....go wild...I imagine in parts of the CA, the distinction between a vehicle and a body...a piloted robot and a cyborg...blur substantially...

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:48 pm

Also standard for a Detective Cyborg...especially freelance models....LOTS of subdermal/internal reinforcement, and very dense pain receptor rigging throughout the frame....When he gets beaten up, he'll survive...but lawd, he'll FEEL like he's dyin'....(nose is made of easily broken/easily replaced plastic foam)

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:42 am

I don't know if you watch it but Taalismn and I put some starship bodies with Cyborg brains in them over on the Starship thread! Check them out.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:57 pm

Yep...I remember the Central Alliance 'new initiative' fondly!

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:34 am

I think it'd be cool if you came up with more stuff. We wouldn't argue at all.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:53 pm

So much to do, so little time...
I also had 'fan raced' a brief description of the -Karmatorg-...Central Alliance space 'gypsies' who often grafted themselves into ramshackle spacecraft bodies...some of which got quite large and eccentric in design...

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:18 am

That is a cool idea. It is worth expanding on Taalismn! It would also make for a great story beginning.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:06 pm

The Karmatorg are a sticking point for Noldek's plans to unify the Central Alliance region...on one hand, they're starky, unrepetently independent and often the dregs of soceity that even Central Alliance worlds won't tolerate...aliens and mavericks who were either driven off their homeworlds or left them in disgust...most of them are little better than rogues and pirates...On the other hand, they're expert spacers, and good at surviving in space...They're the CA's version of the Pirates of the Carribean...and whoever can get them to follow him or her will have an unexpectedly potent fighting force of irregulars behind them...Noldek would LOVE to win their loyalty, but to do so he also has to allay the fears and pessimism(and in many cases outrage) of the many Planetary Machines that despise the Karmatorg for who they are or what the brigands have done over the centuries...

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:31 pm

That is a cool little tidbit of stuff! Please keep them coming!

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 4:02 pm

The Karmatorg also make travelling through the lawless reaches of CA space rather dangerous...the more extreme of the exiles see starships travelling between systems as fair game, despised 'warm-wellers'(reference to dwelling near stars deep in the gravity wells of solar systems) trespassing where they have no right to be...Others see them as resources...refined metals and volatiles to be recycled...Given the Karmatorg perchance for scavenging deep space, some of the 'bodies' they've acquired can belong to some truly ancient races...shiphulls thousands, perhaps millions, of years old, with properties not seen ever before...

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:09 pm

That is some more cool tidbits! Just one thing please post some stats for these people! I know that a lot of people would be interested in it.