Alternate Dimensions

[taalismn]

Damn...just checked a map....even assuming the SDF-1 is ambushed south-west of Toronto, it's still not enough to have London, Ontario, fall inside the circle of devastation/trsnposition...
London, Ontario, is where General Motors Defense has a major plant for the 8x8 LAV in the real world...And probably in the Robotech world, where they build the 'Weasel' and 'Ferret' armored cars...

Just trying to figure what Robotech Toronto would be at the time of tranposition...The only major military facility it has is a combined forces base (Downside) that closed in our timeline in the 1980s, though a small military presence remains(mostly cermemonial units, military police, headquarters group, and an engineering unit) while the airfield is taken over by Bombardier Aerospace(which, despite the name, produces commerical transports)...However, if gloabl tensions in the Robotech timeline ramp up towards 2000, we can safely assume that the base is NOT disbanded and turned over for commercial use, so the original helicopter units and perhaps a few jet fighters/bombers could concievably still be based there in 2011...

Still, we have Toronto, a city of 3 million(with surrounding towns...let's assume Gloval isn't hanging smack-dab over the city, but making a run for open water/ground)...local industries are mainly food processing and lumber processing, auto parts and electronics manufacturing, and the Dehavilland/Bombardier Aircraft factories at their disposal, plus Toronto iInternational Airport....Not TERRIBLY shoddy for resources...if they can figure out how to get power back up being cut off from the Canadian grid, the food processing plants should serve them well with some reserves of food and stock...Still, feeding three million people without electric power's goingto take some soing, and there will be ineviatble casualties from the initial blast(though nowhere near as bad as canon), shock, hysteria, and any additional fire the equally panicked Zentraedi are going to throw their way...Let's assume, though, that the majority of the Zentraedi retreat to somewhere else while they try to make sense of what happened, while at least one of their ships crashes(that will give the Veritech orphans off the SDF-1 something to do while their ammo lasts)...

THEN we get to meet the new neighbors...

[Aramanthus]

Very interesting alternate universes! I'll write something later on today!

[Roscoe Del'Tane]

Fat Food Cure: Instead of apples or fruits, an unknown additive or preservative in Twinkies (the snack food with a 50 year half-life) actually cures cancer and 90% of the other serious diseases and genetic abnormalities. Unfortunatly, they have to be deep-fried and covered in chocolate for this to happen. The skeletelly thin look is out, replaced by a more 'well padded' society.

Sneezing will cause the pleasure centers of the brain to give a quick 'flash' of extasy for the first twenty-odd years of a persons life, then switch to the pain centers. The sale of pepper, as well as anti-irritents skyrocket.

(This ones a bit evil, so be prepared to skip it)

Unicorn sightings start happening all over the world, people are thrilled (especially you girls). People start sending virgins out to get photographic and other scientific proofs that they exist. Then the other shoe drops, the unicorns are actually canivorous, and will EAT the virgins sent out to them. They are promptly hunted into extinction a second time.

[LostOne]

Some more nightbane/HU/BTS ideas:

The head of a well-known and dangerous (yet honorable and respected among the various families) mafia family runs for President of the US and wins.

It's revealed that supernatural beings exist. What's more, the President is one of them, as are his secret service, and his most trusted advisors. The President has chosen to reveal this to the world during a live broadcast. He is trying to rally the world against some kind of supernatural end-of-the-world event such as a demon invasion or vampire population exploding out of control.

[taalismn]

Fat Food Cure: Instead of apples or fruits, an unknown additive or preservative in Twinkies (the snack food with a 50 year half-life) actually cures cancer and 90% of the other serious diseases and genetic abnormalities. Unfortunatly, they have to be deep-fried and covered in chocolate for this to happen. The skeletelly thin look is out, replaced by a more 'well padded' society.

You mean they AREN'T already?
Damn...wonder what's with these chest pains...

Sneezing will cause the pleasure centers of the brain to give a quick 'flash' of extasy for the first twenty-odd years of a persons life, then switch to the pain centers. The sale of pepper, as well as anti-irritents skyrocket.

I've had sneezes like that...

(This ones a bit evil, so be prepared to skip it)

Unicorn sightings start happening all over the world, people are thrilled (especially you girls). People start sending virgins out to get photographic and other scientific proofs that they exist. Then the other shoe drops, the unicorns are actually canivorous, and will EAT the virgins sent out to them. They are promptly hunted into extinction a second time.

I will henceforth pack a large caliber pistol, just in case they start coming into urban areas in search of prey...
I will also update my 'Unicorn Cookbook' recipes...

[Aramanthus]

Those are some great ones!

The modern world is moving towards a final armageddon due to unknown forces. A legendary individual who comes from a world where magic exist makes it to our world and begins a one person campaign from the shadows. Over time the one person campaign starts succeeding. Finally after several decades the that person finally manages to destroy the last vestiages. Most people in the world don't realize this war has occurred although things improve for the masses.

[taalismn]

The Atlanteans are back and they're rotten little sleazebacks who plan on destabilizing world governments, ruin the global economy, spread pestilence and disease, and basically do everything else that's been historically blamed on the Jewish, minorities, Illuminati, Communists, and unpopular ethnic groups(in fact, the Atlanteans are BEHIND such behavior)...Their plan, of course, is to get rid of most of the smelly 'underbeings' who've inherited the Earth, and enslave the rest when they re-take power in the old neighborhood...

[Aramanthus]

Taalismn, we could just blame the Ariehman clan for what your suggesting. I think that is something they would do. That sounds like a job for a team of Janus warriors.

[taalismn]

Heroes Unlimited-Evil Atlanteans---The Evil Atlanteans want to take over a Heroes Unlimited analogue-Earth...by convincing superbeings that they're working to herald in a Golden Age, and that superbeings are the reincarnated instruments of peace and prosperity...But in every revolution, some blood is inevitably shed...

Meanwhile, S.C.R.E.T. is even more active than ever, eliminating Atlantean affiliated metabeings, capturing and experimenting on others to figure out their weaknesses, and, in an even worse plan, kidnapping and brainwashing them into being expendable soldiers for use against the Atlanteans...or as breeding material to create a Janissary army of mindlessly loyal watchdogs for humanity...

The Atlanteans have a timetable that will include a series of massive natural disasters to topple the 'old order'(actually, they've told their dupes that these disasters are inevitable, and that the dupes are merely obliged to save 'who they can' in certain areas)...the first of the series is coming soon...

[taalismn]

trans-dimensional heroes?

Of course...as opposed to the ones that can't afford even bus-fare out of their own little towns...

[taalismn]

Earth becomes the site of the latest season of a galactic version of 'Iron Chef'...The secret ingredient? Human beings!

[LostOne]

Some more nightbane/HU/BTS ideas:

The head of a well-known and dangerous (yet honorable and respected among the various families) mafia family runs for President of the US and wins.

It's revealed that supernatural beings exist. What's more, the President is one of them, as are his secret service, and his most trusted advisors. The President has chosen to reveal this to the world during a live broadcast. He is trying to rally the world against some kind of supernatural end-of-the-world event such as a demon invasion or vampire population exploding out of control.

Hmm, no offense, in fact I like this idea, but this sounds a little too much like something out of a White Wolf game.

Not to say it's a bad idea. Just not one that fits in to a Palladium Books type game.

So you're saying that there's no demons or supernatural events or vampires in Nightbane/HU/BTS? This is Palladium we're talking about...anything can happen in any setting...you just gotta think outside the box.

New one for HU:
A new drug is showing up on the streets. Apparently non-addictive, it instead grants people random super powers, basically triggering latent mutant powers in anyone that takes it. What's worse is that the dealers, whoever they are, are selling it to anyone willing to pay...for cheap.

[taalismn]

In the same vein...a new softdrink is making great inroads into the market of a 20th century Earth...it's cheap, it's tasty, it comes in Diet...It's brand-named as PSI-COLA...

[Aramanthus]

Those are some great ones!


The Japanese Nuclear Programs beats the American Manhattan Project. The Japanese drop their bombs on a US target. The US Retaliates quickly. First nuclear war ends in stalemate when both sides have expended their supply. As it turns out the Japanese drops one bomb on the soviet forces about to invade their empire. WW2 ends in the Pacific with a stalemate between the Allies and Japan.

[taalismn]

WW2 ends as a massive series of earthquakes rocks the Japanese homeislands, doing massive amounts of damage, and essentially paralyzing Japanese industrial and communications infrastructure...a public outcry, proclaimming it to be a divine sign that the heavens do NOT favor Japan, runs into diehard military extremists who claim the quakes came about as a result of a faltering Nihon faith, that can only be restored by 'purifying' the state of dissent...civil war breaks out, as the Allies blockade the Islands, leery of sticking their hands into a meatgrinder where the factions change every month...The whereabouts of the Emperor remain unknown, some people claiming he's safe, others that he's a prisoner of the worst factions of the military, others that the Americans kidnapped him, others that he fled TO the Americans, and still others claim that he took his own life rather than see his people sink into chaos...

[LostOne]

The Samurai did not become obsolete with the invention of rifles.

It's true that most of them were, and those were eliminated in various battles by bullet wounds. However, one house survived, every family member has inherited a bizarre, otherworldly power that allowed them to flourish and expand to fill the void left by the loss of the other Samurai. The power? Bulletproof (from PU3). Later on it is also revealed they are immune to energy when energy weapons are invented...

[taalismn]

The Samurai did not become obsolete with the invention of rifles.

It's true that most of them were, and those were eliminated in various battles by bullet wounds. However, one house survived, every family member has inherited a bizarre, otherworldly power that allowed them to flourish and expand to fill the void left by the loss of the other Samurai. The power? Bulletproof (from PU3). Later on it is also revealed they are immune to energy when energy weapons are invented...

The Samurai essentially become expert gunslingers, and raise the art of both gunsmithing and shooting to absurd heights(use the Gun Master from Heroes of China)...The 'Way of the Bullet' becomes the new Way of the Sword, with advanced techniques in trick shooting, bullet dodging, and even catching bullets in the bare hand...

[Aramanthus]

Those are some great ones!

Some of these gunslinger Samuri of Taalismn end up migrating to the United States during the westward transcontinental migration and become new legends of the old west. Because of the different view of the Japanese there is a lot more cooperation between US and Japan. Which actually prevents hostilities between the two in WW2. Although Japan goes to war against the British, French, Netherlands, and Russia, they remain friendly and cheerful with the Americans. There is no thought of any sort of attack on Pearl Harbor.

[LostOne]

A strange man is seen throughout US history, it's always the same man (documented in detail by photographs or detailed descriptions from trustworthy sources) he gives warnings to key people at key times.

Peal Harbor is attacked, but due to an early warning system the Japanese were unaware of, the US is able to repel the attack and damage is minimal.

Due to warnings by the same man, JFK and Lincoln were not assassinated.

9/11 was prevented before the planes ever left the runway.

[taalismn]

Israel develops a 'Peace Bomb' that renders victims utterly blissed out and unable to even consider aggressive action...indeed, some people just starve to death, staring into space...Israel's enemies back off, not wanting the shame of being 'blissed' by the Mossad with Harmony Weapons...

[Aramanthus]

ROFLMAO Those are some good ones!

So does that guy who shows up at moments of crisis have a funky blue box nearby in each photo?


Tomorrow never occurs. At midnight the clocks start rolling backwards. Everyone begins to age backwards. Events also start going backwards.

[taalismn]

ROFLMAO Those are some good ones!

So does that guy who shows up at moments of crisis have a funky blue box nearby in each photo?


Tomorrow never occurs. At midnight the clocks start rolling backwards. Everyone begins to age backwards. Events also start going backwards.

Father Guido Sarduchi: "The Coming and Going Planet"....

[Aramanthus]

Hey, someones got to use a Stephen Hawkin's theory obnce in awhile.

[LostOne]

Time freezes, yet life continues...no one ages, no one dies, no one is born, no one needs to eat or drink or sleep. People go about their normal lives, minus those things. Productivity in the business place skyrockets as management increases work days to 16 hour days, rationalizing that their employees don't need to sleep so they might as well be working for that time. People can't be killed, if they are, they immediately jump back up as if nothing happened, like everyone has true invulnerability.

[taalismn]

Time freezes, yet life continues...no one ages, no one dies, no one is born, no one needs to eat or drink or sleep. People go about their normal lives, minus those things. Productivity in the business place skyrockets as management increases work days to 16 hour days, rationalizing that their employees don't need to sleep so they might as well be working for that time. People can't be killed, if they are, they immediately jump back up as if nothing happened, like everyone has true invulnerability.

Insanity rises as people have children who don't grow up, teenagers who don't mature, and old folks who don't shuffle off the mortal coil...not to mention the lack of sleep and dreaming causes problems in and out of itself...new fringe cults promising a restoration of dreams, the need to eat and grow, and even death spring up...A counter-productivity movement begins, countering why should businesses demand more work of workers who don't need to eat? Or even a place to go to sleep if they can wander about...a constantly mobile population also causes a sharper increase in demand for oil and gasoline and recreational consumer goods, causing more problems in that regard...Farm- and food-based economies crash, the small market for 'hobby eating' not being enough to sustain the markets as people become accustomed to not having to eat or drink...
Violence esculates in some world regions as old enemies try even nastier ways to make sure their opponents remain dead, or else are rendered so traumatized by their last deaths as to be incapacitated...Encasement in cement or freezing in the polar ice caps becomes a popular way of 'removing' people...

[taalismn]

Books never made forcing people to stay closer to there tribes to learn the traibal tails and customs.
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The result being people evolve with INCREDIBLE oral memories...

[Roscoe Del'Tane]

Every day, each person on the world will randomly loose one limb. This is not painful in the least, though it certainly is inconvenient, and the limb ends in a round stub of skin. Roll 1d4, evens is a leg, odds is an arm, choice alternates between the character and the GM. Cut speed, even of the super variety, by one third (people are used to hopping and using crutches) for a leg, reduce attacks by one and cut lift/carry by one third if its an arm.

In a bizarre twist, people are only able to communicate correctly when they are completely drunk (Blood alcohol level .8 at least), otherwise its just meaningless jibbersh (even to each other).

Each time you sneeze your hair will change either its length, style, or color.

Martians attack, and they need men for breeding stock; but they have discriminating tastes, and only want the pasty, misunderstood geeks. The computer and snack food industries are dealt fatal blows from which they never recover.

The secret of imortality is to once a week eat a live duck. Waterfoul suddenly become very scarce, and PETA is quicky stamped out by the rich and powerfull.

It turns out PETA actually stand for People for the Eating of Tasty Animals, they've just been lying to everybody and enjoying ultra-rare burgers and raw sushi at their meetings.

Everybody talks with either an Irish or a Scottish accent (yes, EVERYBODY) once they hit puberty.

[taalismn]

It turns out PETA actually stand for People for the Eating of Tasty Animals, they've just been lying to everybody and enjoying ultra-rare burgers and raw sushi at their meetings.

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It's also discovered that they ate the last unicorn...

[LostOne]

damn. that is defanitly a have your cake and eat it to dimension

I figure there'd be lots of people pulling Groundhog Day type shenanigans, jumping off skyscrapers trying to end their existence, etc. People would start to get bored or go insane, lots of people (especially religious ones) would want to restore the natural order so they could get to their afterlife eventually, while other religious people might think it's Armageddon, Ragnarok, or whatever their religion calls it. Others might think this is a punishment from their god, the world as a whole has sinned greatly and have been locked out of the afterlife. Earth is their new hell.

[taalismn]

damn. that is defanitly a have your cake and eat it to dimension

I figure there'd be lots of people pulling Groundhog Day type shenanigans, jumping off skyscrapers trying to end their existence, etc. People would start to get bored or go insane, lots of people (especially religious ones) would want to restore the natural order so they could get to their afterlife eventually, while other religious people might think it's Armageddon, Ragnarok, or whatever their religion calls it. Others might think this is a punishment from their god, the world as a whole has sinned greatly and have been locked out of the afterlife. Earth is their new hell.

Yeah...and 'snuff clubs' where people try to outdo each other with staging their own (temporary) deaths become the rage with the jaded..Extreme sportists become a passing vogue as the initial thrill of NOT DYING gets replaced with the idea that everybody can try their hand at doing outrageous things, and keep coming back every time they die until they get it right("that's the last time I take only two bottles of oxygen up with me on Everest...Oh, and watch that rock there; it's not as good a handhold as it looks...Learned that three tries ago when I fell to my death...Fun ride down, but sudden stop at the end...Oh, well, at least I didn't have to walk back down that time...")

[Aramanthus]

ROFLMAO!!! Some great ones! Thios one goes along with the world where time freezes by LostOne!

One of those new extreme sports even goes beyond the latest one I watched on Friday. Which is Shark surfing. This one is to attempt to get yourself eaten by a really big sharks!

[LostOne]

One of those new extreme sports even goes beyond the latest one I watched on Friday. Which is Shark surfing. This one is to attempt to get yourself eaten by a really big sharks!

I think this thread finally jumped the shark.

Other fun sports could include kodiak bear wrestling, naked arctic marathons, skydiving...from space...no parachute or space suit..., ropeless mountain climbing, automobile dodgeball (pedestrian in a large arena, people try to hit him with cars).

And the video game Twisted Metal could be brought to life as pay-per-view live from Manhattan.

Suicide bombing would suddenly lack any true impact.

[Aramanthus]

Seriously I watched a video last week showing some dumb idiot using bait for a shark to grab and it pulled him along. It was a "Big" great white shark.
I wouldn't do that, I prefer to watch big great white sharks from this side of the screen.


What about lion and tiger wrestling. Don't forget swimming with the piranha! And who can forget swimming with the salt water crocodiles!

[taalismn]

Historical re-enactments...with real live ammo....

[LostOne]

Military groups around the world adopted the old British style of advancing by ranks rather than taking cover and guerilla tactics. As a result, the world wars were much deadlier, with death tolls much higher. The US National World War II Memorial takes up ten times as much area.

The US Military takes on a gamer attitude of pwning the insurgents. A trophy memorial is erected in D.C. listing the names (or "Unknown" when applicable) of all terrorists pwned by the US.

[taalismn]

Hmm... can add.... a dimension where the Chinese did not close off its borders during their great ocean voyage period. The voyages went on to discover the rest of the world much earlier than the rest of the western world.

We would all use taels and silver nuggets as basic currency and paper money for cheques and larger quantities.....

Or worse... China, instead of the USA, is the military might of the world....


***I'm hearing complains already***

There's a series of novels on that basis...recent book was 'Seven Sons of the Dragon'...has the Chinese and Aztecs fighting over Mars...North America is a vassal state of the Greater Empire...The Aztec technology requires frequent blood sacrifices(the harware has hemoglobin detectors built in) to work properly...If your computers need to be rebooted, somebody's going to be cut...

[taalismn]

The Battletech Universe, having settled down to an uneasy peace with the Clans, and/or getting beat up by Word of Blake, now faces an invasion by the Zentraedi....or, worse yet, the TGE, or the Invaders...

[taalismn]

The Battletech Universe, having settled down to an uneasy peace with the Clans, and/or getting beat up by Word of Blake, now faces an invasion by the Zentraedi....or, worse yet, the TGE, or the Invaders...

Or, little fluffy fur-balls with eyes.....

"Hear my so--"
"Shut up, Basra, and pass me that ammo clip...."

[taalismn]

in all honesty, I wish he would have shut up during much of the series

Well...there wasn't a terrible choice of good male leads...it was either Nikki or that UN Spacy pilot who looked like an escapee from 'The Munsters'....

[Aramanthus]

Interesting variant universes. I've seen that novel you mentioned Taalismn, "Seven Sons of the Dragon". Is it any good?


At noon and midnight everyday thousands of dimensional doorways open between earth and several hundred worlds. This allows travel between worlds even different dimensions. The same worlds are connected once every two weeks. Interdimensional communications and trade becomes not only feesible, but very lucrative. Of course once in awhile brushfire wars happen between various realities.

[Aramanthus]

LOL! Great one!

Continued from my previous one. Thousands of dimensional gates open and close every moment of the day to Random locations through out the multiverse. Only once in a while does one of these gates reach the same location. The only problem is that it is totally random. Even reaching into the distant past and future.

Makes for a very messy world!

[killhound]

how about a dementoinal scavenger hunt and the winners get a brand new car or something like that

[Aramanthus]

Make that a mansion and a billion dollars (tax free) after the recession is over and I'll take a shot at it!

[taalismn]

Anakin Skyalker wins his climactic duel against Obi-Wan Kenobi......


Oh wait, wrong Mulit-Megaverse isn't it?

Anakin Skywalker gets run over by Racer X during the Coruscant 5000 derby...

[taalismn]

Time storms...time fractures the Earth into zones and traps of slow- and fast-time...daylight is unreliable, and travelling disruptions can freeze or trap entire communities that thought they were safe...
However, a few folks can find their way through the tortured temporal landscape...people with the powers of Temporal Mages, Warriors, Thieves, and Spacial Mages, who can sense the altered space/time and even manipulate it to a degree...these people become the caravansers between isolated communities, or the mercenaries who make conflict possible...

[Aramanthus]

What type of cheese? Swiss and you have people falling to the other side of the world. Limburhger and you'd have a world with out a sense of smell.

[Aramanthus]

And heaven help us if it's blue cheese!

[Aramanthus]

And what happens if it were made of Parmesan cheese?

[taalismn]

Cometary Tomatoes(or tomato comets) for the sauce?

Sounds like Cuisine Cosmos....

[Aramanthus]

I thought the meatballs would be the moon! Man am I getting hungry!