can dragon juicers get magic tattoos/anyway to replicatethem

[csbioborg]

can dragon juicers get magic tattos or lord magi that have turned mdc or any of the other once human charecters that once get alterd through magic

it would seem no but then gun brothers from three galazies can become bioborgs and get tattoss with the right rolls

or in the alternative can you cast a tatto into a talisman or other object and use it like a tattoo

[csbioborg]

anybody?

[Balabanto]

No. Bioregenerating creatures should not be allowed Magic Tattoos.

[csbioborg]

No. Bioregenerating creatures should not be allowed Magic Tattoos.

Splynn Dimensional Market has a parlor that specializes in tattoss for bioregenerating creatures

I was thinking the transformation make them less than human like a dbee so they can't get them now

since only ogres humna and elves and chiang ku can

[csbioborg]

that dosen't quite work for my case becasue I want to munchkin out the fallen cyberknight turned dragon juicer from juicer uprsing he's been kept alive by ancient dragon blood it is PA111-12 and juicer upring was 103 so that gives me time to turn hium into the human supremist from hell but I want to stay roughly to the orginally NPC

[Giant2005]

I'd say no.
Human mutants and super powered beings can't get magic tattoos. I think a Dragon Juicer falls closer to the realm of super-powered than human.

It is a definite no to the tatto as a talisman thing - a tattoo isn't a spell. What you could do is make a Bio-Wizard weapon - something like a staff with a hand on the end that has the tattoo you want.

[The Galactus Kid]

Yes they can. The magic tattoos are different than regular tattoos. If bio-regenerating creatures couldn't get them, then there wouldn't be chiang-ku dragons with them.

[rat_bastard]

If you want to munchkin out a Juicer, put a Phaeton in Power armor.

[csbioborg]

If you want to munchkin out a Juicer, put a Phaeton in Power armor.

ya but I want to use the preexisting NPC from Juicer uprsing

its been nearly 10 years on this timeline so he's had time to get more powerful

[csbioborg]

If you want to munchkin out a Juicer, put a Phaeton in Power armor.

ya but I want to use the preexisting NPC from Juicer uprsing

its been nearly 10 years on this timeline so he's had time to get more powerful

10 years........... for a Dragon Juicer....
D.Juicer lifespan is 5 years and 4D6 months, ancient dragon blood adds 6D6 months.... assuming maximum rolls (highly unlikely), you'd get 5 years plus 60 months, or 10 years total.

Chances are this NPC is dead.

ancient dragon blood board ruling is each application add 6d6 months and you can keep doind it


Slayer will be the oldest living dragon juicer at 14 years

[csbioborg]

ancient dragon blood board ruling is each application add 6d6 months and you can keep doind it

News to me.

well it says it in the OCC desciption add 6d6 for a applicaion of anicent dragon blood but it didn't say how many times it could be done

[csbioborg]

Yeah, but typically logic like that is used to exploit typos and mistakes for maximal roll-playing effect with little regard for game balance... er.... I mean such logic is usually bad.

Honestly how many dragon juicers are going to be getting ancient dragon blood not adult but 5k plus old

and have you ever thought about how unbalancing a tatto man is

powr tatto 75 mdc per level 40ppe
level 10 750 plua his standard mbc
he gets a monster tatto now he can have 1550 mdc so hardly that unblancing compaared to others

[csbioborg]

Yeah, but typically logic like that is used to exploit typos and mistakes for maximal roll-playing effect with little regard for game balance... er.... I mean such logic is usually bad.

Honestly how many dragon juicers are going to be getting ancient dragon blood not adult but 5k plus old

I suppose the ones who work for ancient dragons or have great contraband connections.

then they have to know a top level alchemist to refine it

[csbioborg]

Sure.. but a legendary alchemist is always a stone's throw from an ancient dragon.

You're right, strictly speaking, most dragon juicers will not have that kind of luck or opportunity; more often dragons would see them as a menace.. but there are always those exceptions to the general rule, typically that bias works for any player character in any game for any GM who is open to entertaining their ideas.

The big allure of the dragon juicer over the other varieties is the pipe dream of a greatly extended lifespan by comparison, with just as many losers and failures as any other O.C.C.

sure but it keeps a nice pregen NPC that has a part in y game alive besides so it nice to have a plausible reason
for him to not die

I also find the last call copletly avoidable if you can get cloned parts constantly it makes sense that if you body is bruning out and you replaced said parts you are fine

(mega juicers are the big exception along with the maxi killer since there reasons for death are mystical

[csbioborg]

I also find the last call copletly avoidable if you can get cloned parts constantly it makes sense that if you body is bruning out and you replaced said parts you are fine

You're going to replace the strained bloodvessels running through a character's brain (and everywhere else) via cloned body parts? Good luck.

not forever but other than the brain why not

[csbioborg]

Because the whole problem with this is that you're adding stress to the system with every transplant. You can't transplant the whole system. The parts that hold the transplants together are going to deteriorate and fast.

But that's not actually the point. The point is that the Juicer class is one that is supposed to be doomed. Subverting that reality isn't about technological innovation or some form of ingenius progress in the overall process. Subverting it is about players who don't want to face the consequences of their choices.

why not make better augmentations

Shadowrun did a very fine job with that

To a lesser extent so does HU

One thing that gets me about augmentation is the price that is themed

by this point in development we should have abetter heart better lungs that can withstand the stress of bening a juicer IRMSS to heal all the little damage that happend by starining it

[AlanGunhouse]

that dosen't quite work for my case becasue I want to munchkin out the fallen cyberknight turned dragon juicer from juicer uprsing he's been kept alive by ancient dragon blood it is PA111-12 and juicer upring was 103 so that gives me time to turn hium into the human supremist from hell but I want to stay roughly to the orginally NPC

No can do, fallen cyberknights are not human any more.

[csbioborg]

that dosen't quite work for my case becasue I want to munchkin out the fallen cyberknight turned dragon juicer from juicer uprsing he's been kept alive by ancient dragon blood it is PA111-12 and juicer upring was 103 so that gives me time to turn hium into the human supremist from hell but I want to stay roughly to the orginally NPC

No can do, fallen cyberknights are not human any more.

that was cyberknight not cosmo knight

[AlanGunhouse]

Oh, my error, but to answer the question then. Assuming they were human, they can get tattoos up to five before they become the juicer, and may still use them possibly. The sixth tattoo transforms them into something more than human, and bars them from using any other magic. Therefore, since being a dragon juicer is a magical process, it should prevent the dragon juice from working.

[kevarin]

removed part about juiciers lifespan sorry for posting it here


under section 5 gives the juicier 2D4x10 PPE but stats thay cant learn
magic and cant use psionic powers so can thay access there PPE
to use a magic tattoo is a good question ?

and if a dragon juicier was a fallen cyberknight then he should under those rules loose his
psionic powers in the process to become the dragon juicier right ?

[Library Ogre]

Personally, I would allow a Dragon Juicer to extend it by 6D6 months every time... but it would have to be fresh blood each time, and would require a year (at least) between treatments.

You either need a sponsor, or to kill a bunch of dragons.

[AlanGunhouse]

There is another thread somewhere just on the topic of extending dragon juicer lifespan I think, no need to repeat the arguements here.

[sennin]

I would say that the only way to significantly extend the life of a juicer is to do what it says in the books - become a 'borg.

[The Galactus Kid]

There is another thread somewhere just on the topic of extending dragon juicer lifespan I think, no need to repeat the arguements here.

Agreed. This thread is about the magic tatoos. Please continue the lifespan discussion on another thread.

[Mouser13]

Nothing in the rules that say they can't, but like you have said they are not really humans anymore. Personally I would not allow it.