The Coalition States & Free Quebec

[roguewood]

Can anyone help answer this question? Why did Free Quebec hoard all the Glitter boy technology insted of sharing it with the coalition? I know that's there ace card, but wouldn't it be easier to share the tech. and wipe the continent clean of d-bee's magic users & monsters? I don't know maybe I missed something. One more thing i'm just wondering why the coalition never made there own version, I mean they've been around for ever right?

[The Baron of chaos]

Well , for once Free queebeq like tot hink itself as not exactly part of coalition but as an indepedent ally. While they agree that humankind had to defend itself, they are two independent kingdoms with personal agendas to run. And sharing too much technology is not something they would do too easily, if ever.

[Seneca]

Mainly because they quickly saw the writing on the wall after Joesph Prosek I came to power after the Campaign of Blood. They were uncomfortable with one man holding so much power. In effect the FQ government liked having their own ace in the hole just in case. When Karl announced himself Emperor; they became very worried as all of their concerns where brushed aside in the name of state security.

Prior to their succession, GB's from FQ were part of the joint CS army. They trained together, fought together, and were repaired by the CS. So the CS never needed to make their own. Free Quebec hoarded the knowledge to create GB's but not their use. So they already had FQ's. Besides the GB is powerful but not versatile...well until FQ redesigned them. And Karl likes uniformity in his forces image, and the GB didn't match the Death's Head theme.

[Josh Sinsapaugh]

I've always wondered why they didn't just make a Death's Head Glitterboy.

~ Josh

[The Galactus Kid]

Free quebec has the ability to put chrome on vehicles, like the glitterboy transport. Triax also has this capability as demonstrated by the Dragonwings. The CS has the capability to make the chrome armor, but I think they find it too cost prohibitive to do so. 4 SAMAS vs. 1 Glitterboy?

[Josh Sinsapaugh]

Free quebec has the ability to put chrome on vehicles, like the glitterboy transport. Triax also has this capability as demonstrated by the Dragonwings. The CS has the capability to make the chrome armor, but I think they find it too cost prohibitive to do so. 4 SAMAS vs. 1 Glitterboy?

Actually, no.

Triax got the technology from Quebec as part of their trade agreement.

Quebec never shared their GB technology with the CS, which infuriated Chi-Town when they found out about FQ sharing said technology with a foreign power.

~ Josh

[Mack]

Hmm... I thought Prosek didn't want the GB's incorporated into the CS army because they were a symbol of Free Quebec's rebellous attitude. It was a political / psychological ploy to make Quebec conform to CS standards.

(Reference the orginal RMB description of GB's.)

[Steeler49er]

Can anyone help answer this question? Why did Free Quebec hoard all the Glitter boy technology insted of sharing it with the coalition? I know that's there ace card, but wouldn't it be easier to share the tech. and wipe the continent clean of d-bee's magic users & monsters? I don't know maybe I missed something. One more thing i'm just wondering why the coalition never made there own version, I mean they've been around for ever right?

A) Because, just like Quebec of today in our world, they are really very much a hardy "Do it ourselves" kinda peoples and they Only made deals with Prosek/CS cuz they wished to stay safe. The CS on the other hand is a Very over the top, dominating kind of governmet, one that likes everyone to "Play by their rules" even when those rules make your Guts sick.

B) Some of those rules I'm talking about are, Inclusion of Dog Boy & genetic mod tech, which the peeps in FQ find inhumane and disgusting in the extream. FB doesn't like or trust Mutants of Any kind (which includes Psychics)... Neither does the CS, but the CS IS hippacritical in the extream and Will USE such people. Psychics in the CS zones are treated like second class citizens (and dispite propaganda, Not much better if they join the CS military). In FQ these people (mutants of ALL KINDS), mages and what not, are disliked and booted out, but FQ Still has pitty for many of these people and doesn't mind it that they live as long as it is away from them<FQ>.
So they Hate how over the top hate filled and abusive to "differant folks" the CS is.
The CS ALSO loves to boss others around to the point of DICTATING to other allies how everthing should be, to the point of (In effect) telling Other Allied states that "You belong to Us". Thats NOT what Allie means... And FQ knows it.
Iron Heart doesn't care as they are even More bitter and vindictive that Chi-Town, and Missouri NEEDS Chi-Town. Texis was FOUNDED by Chi-Town and is nothing more than an extention of Chi-Towns lower extremity...
You know the One!

C) Quebec has ALWAYS used the Glitter Boy and IT, and not the (at the time Non-existent) CS was the thing that got them through day and Cataclysm! The CS HATES that fact and, as at least one other person here pointed out already, the CS wants EVERY human to believe that it was They, The CS, that pulled the peoples up out of the hell that was the Age of Darkness. FQ sees this as a Lie and doesn't feel that Humanity would be Best surved by such lies.

D) That last line gives One more reason why FQ in't on super term with the CS, they are not as much behind the "ALL CHILDREN LEFT EDUCATIONALY BEHIND" rule that Prosek supports with his "Illiteracy Program". Books remind one of their down falls <CS hates this fact> but Also of it's Triumph-which the heads of FQ don't mind as much.

Mostly tho', FQ is just very much independant and Knew that the CS would, one day, try to overthrow them... So the build up just made alotta sence.

[Dr. Doom III]

The Coalition never wanted Gliterboy technology.
They wanted FQ to drop the Glitterboy and use Coalition standard vehicles.

[Vrykolas2k]

The Coalition never wanted Gliterboy technology.
They wanted FQ to drop the Glitterboy and use Coalition standard vehicles.

Right.

[dark brandon]

The Coalition never wanted Gliterboy technology.
They wanted FQ to drop the Glitterboy and use Coalition standard vehicles.

Right.

Yes.

CS is very much against "pre-rifts technology", touting it as dangerous. Glitterboys are famous Pre-rifts weapons, where as Samas (for some reason unknown to me) are unheard of. It was mentioned in...new west(?) with the sidewinder samas the black-market makes that they know the CS would be very angry if it got out the SAMAS they used were prerifts technology...it's also why CS is so hell-bent on destorying them.

[Library Ogre]

CS is very much against "pre-rifts technology", touting it as dangerous. Glitterboys are famous Pre-rifts weapons, where as Samas (for some reason unknown to me) are unheard of. It was mentioned in...new west(?) with the sidewinder samas the black-market makes that they know the CS would be very angry if it got out the SAMAS they used were prerifts technology...it's also why CS is so hell-bent on destorying them.

If I understand correctly, SAMAS were brand new at the time of the Rifts, and the primary variants were shiny. Take a suit that's relatively unknown (Glitterboys are famous for being pre-Rifts), and looks a bit different than its pre-Rifts incarnation, and you've got a useful suit, especially in a situation where you control history.

[WhiteKnight]

CS is very much against "pre-rifts technology", touting it as dangerous. Glitterboys are famous Pre-rifts weapons, where as Samas (for some reason unknown to me) are unheard of. It was mentioned in...new west(?) with the sidewinder samas the black-market makes that they know the CS would be very angry if it got out the SAMAS they used were prerifts technology...it's also why CS is so hell-bent on destorying them.

If I understand correctly, SAMAS were brand new at the time of the Rifts, and the primary variants were shiny. Take a suit that's relatively unknown (Glitterboys are famous for being pre-Rifts), and looks a bit different than its pre-Rifts incarnation, and you've got a useful suit, especially in a situation where you control history.

Also weren't Glitterboys a well known Weapon System of NEMA? Thats probably not a memory that the Prosek's wanted invoked

[runebeo]

I think they didn't share the tech mainly because of a fear of the CS lack of education programs for its people and insane laws. Why help them rule the North America if its not a culture you care to embrace. Free Quebec are all well educated and quit liberal on a lot of subjects, while CS forces their hard line views & laws on everyone. I never liked the idea that the CS had no GBs squads, with their resources and all the ones they confiscated and found over the years they must have a good stock pile of a few hundred hidden away somewhere, maybe for a rainy day like the minion war or large Atlantis invasion or when its final time to stomp the bugs will see the rise of a CS GB devision. If the Emperor dies maybe the son will start using them and buying more from Triax. Imagine a GB modified with a Deadboy Skull Helmet look, thats a scare image.

[Ziggurat the Eternal]

Theoretically, you could create a black glitterboy whose armor would have the same effect, though it may be cost prohibitive. Then we could have spec ops glitterboys, and maybe ol'prosek wouldn't hate them so much. God forbid he have a unit that brings a little sunshine to the world.

[runebeo]

Few dozen GBs modified with a Deadboy Skull Helmet, think how cool a cover that would be in front of Chi-Town or getting out of a Firestorm Mobile Base. I don't care whats in the book I'm pre-ordering now.

[Aramanthus]

I have to admit it would be a startling sight to see skull headed GBs. And according to the original main book FQ only told the CS that they only had something like 2-400 of them. When in reality they had a heck of a lot more of them.

[Aramanthus]

For that answer we have to wait for Triax 2. And I hope that is quick to come out. I want to know what new things they are up too.

[Lenwen]

Can anyone help answer this question? Why did Free Quebec hoard all the Glitter boy technology insted of sharing it with the coalition? I know that's there ace card, but wouldn't it be easier to share the tech. and wipe the continent clean of d-bee's magic users & monsters? I don't know maybe I missed something. One more thing i'm just wondering why the coalition never made there own version, I mean they've been around for ever right?

Chi-Town wanted to destroy that tech in all its forms for the more versitile Samas.

At least this is what I read a long long time ago. And they very well might have retconned this whole aspect with the new books.

[runebeo]

I think the CS not having GB was a balance issue for when the players have run ins with the CS and built the story around it. If GB were parts of every CS squad more players would be dead. They deal usually 3 time more damage than most robot or Samas not counting missiles. Hows any class but a giant robot or supernatural creature going to absorb that much damage and no spell or psionic power can target the pilot adds to the fun.

[Aramanthus]

I can see your point Runebo and it is a very valid on indeed.

[Ziggurat the Eternal]

But the question is what will Traix do with this besides the Glitterbo they made?

Make a 200 foot tall Glitter Boy naked Karl...

Did you mean Naked, or Named?

[Ziggurat the Eternal]

You mean the Giant-Brass-Girls-Gone-Wild one?

[Aramanthus]

Unless it says this officially, I'd say no to this alliance. I will not allow it in my game. I'll have the New Navy join with a power base from my own game. (Actually aleardy done over a decade ago.) Simply because the nation from my own game is a democratic power. But this is only my opinion.