UEEF Marine Corps Sourcebook

jedi078 · Unread post by **jedi078** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:17 pm

green.nova343 wrote:Very nice, although I imagine this represents the UEEF Marines just prior to the Reflex Point assault -- & an ongoing conversion at that from their prior TO&E -- since the VR-057 just came out around that time. Prior to that, you'll see a greater mix of the older models in use...all the way back to initial inception, where the "anti-armor specialist" (& maybe the team leader) will carry an RL-6 on their VR-03x & the rest "make do" with Gallants or other energy rifles.

Or use the VR-055 Devestator.....or equip the 'heavy weapons guy' with a small BFG.

MikelAmroni · Unread post by **MikelAmroni** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:14 pm

jedi078 wrote:
MikelAmroni wrote:While I am sure that is strictly true, it is a bit cynical yes? I don't know any GM that would ever run them like that, and we all know their bad choices were choices of plot, not tactics (since the writers didn't care about things like tactics)

Was this in response to my post?

No, it was in response to Robot Urchin's. Sorry I should have quoted it the first time.

While I admit that is what we see, we have to take that with some sense of not using this as a primary methodology for operations. Otherwise they would have a very short campaign where they all get killed dead.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:17 am

Any chance of more of your organizational table GreenNova?

Robroy · Unread post by **Robroy** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:42 pm

jedi078 wrote:
Robroy wrote:
jedi078 wrote:I say ‘per the books’ because the idea that the VR-41 is not the front line combat Cyclone is absurd and goes against any semblance of common sense. Yes I know what the book says about the VR-41 being too expensive, but that seems to by the current HG party line in regards to not enough fire power being utilized by the UEEF. The UEEF capital ships having a low number of point defense turrets is another prime example of this. IMO the perfect frontline 'rifleman' Cyclone would be a VR-41 with GR-97s mounted on the forearms and equipped with an EP-37.

I agree with the EP-37 but I would not replace the sabers with the GR-97s. You already got 12 missiles and the sabers can come in handy.

We never see Lancer use sabers used in the anime, but how many times did Scott fire off those GR-97's? The sabers are worthless until you get in a close quarters fight, or unless you plan on cutting some poor guy out of his trashed mecha.

I don't think we ever see Scott use the EP-37 he picks up. He used the GR-97s all the time because those were the only missiles he had. I like the sabers because they add to the weapon diversity.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:25 pm

Hey...don't dis a good cavalry charge into machine guns...
One of these days, the other side will be so poleaxed at the seeming utter stupidity and futility of such an action, they'll still be scratching their heads thinking 'surely they can't be THAT idiotic...' and suddenly you've sabered them down....

Robroy · Unread post by **Robroy** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:46 pm

You never know, they might run out of bullets before you run out of men.

glitterboy2098 · Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:46 pm

if the twitter that got posted was a referance to the marine source book (and it probably is), suspect all you prospective UEEF marines should start reading your Heinlen, Steakley, and Ringo....

jedi078 · Unread post by **jedi078** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:46 pm

glitterboy2098 wrote:if the twitter that got posted was a referance to the marine source book (and it probably is), suspect all you prospective UEEF marines should start reading your Heinlen, Steakley, and Ringo....

Looks good....

MikelAmroni · Unread post by **MikelAmroni** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:32 am

Robot Urchin wrote:My first 'tactics' post was a joke. The TV show and the novels are NOT a good place to learn the finer points of space war tactics. I seriously hope no GM has ever run a campaign like that.

Heh, true enough. Like I said, all strictly true, and laughable

Thankfully most GMs allow players to have more sense than that.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:18 am

I agree GB2098! Those are all great reads that should be manditory reading.

ShadowLogan · Unread post by **ShadowLogan** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:02 am

Robroy wrote:I don't think we ever see Scott use the EP-37 he picks up. He used the GR-97s all the time because those were the only missiles he had. I like the sabers because they add to the weapon diversity.

Scott does, and is credited with 2 kills and 7bursts according to a count done several years ago. That was not taking into account TSC.

jedi078 wrote:IMO the perfect frontline 'rifleman' Cyclone would be a VR-41 with GR-97s mounted on the forearms and equipped with an EP-37.

The "Battler" configuration from the original RPG essentially?

I think if I was replacing the CADS on the VR-41 I would go with beam-weapons: a repackaged EP-37 (or EP-40) into a CADS-shell. Presuming no loss in performance (payload, range, ROF, damage), then each EP-37CADS would be the equivalent of 20 Mini-Missiles (firing bursts) instead of 2, though you lose the blast radius.

green.nova343 · Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:52 pm

Aramanthus wrote:Any chance of more of your organizational table GreenNova?

sorry, been a little distracted recently -- change in work schedule (went from 4p-1a to a 5p-2a), still looking for a new job (trying to get back into accounting & out of my current tech support job), & been sidelined by some of my other Robotech/RPG projects. But, I'm still committed to bringing some more material to the floor. It may take a little longer, though.

jedi078 · Unread post by **jedi078** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:47 pm

ShadowLogan wrote:
jedi078 wrote:IMO the perfect frontline 'rifleman' Cyclone would be a VR-41 with GR-97s mounted on the forearms and equipped with an EP-37.

The "Battler" configuration from the original RPG essentially?

Yeah but it would be a VR-41....

ShadowLogan wrote:I think if I was replacing the CADS on the VR-41 I would go with beam-weapons: a repackaged EP-37 (or EP-40) into a CADS-shell. Presuming no loss in performance (payload, range, ROF, damage), then each EP-37CADS would be the equivalent of 20 Mini-Missiles (firing bursts) instead of 2, though you lose the blast radius.

Sounds like an idea....

Alpha 11 · Unread post by **Alpha 11** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:48 pm

ShadowLogan wrote:
Robroy wrote:I don't think we ever see Scott use the EP-37 he picks up. He used the GR-97s all the time because those were the only missiles he had. I like the sabers because they add to the weapon diversity.

Scott does, and is credited with 2 kills and 7bursts according to a count done several years ago. That was not taking into account TSC.

jedi078 wrote:IMO the perfect frontline 'rifleman' Cyclone would be a VR-41 with GR-97s mounted on the forearms and equipped with an EP-37.

The "Battler" configuration from the original RPG essentially?

I think if I was replacing the CADS on the VR-41 I would go with beam-weapons: a repackaged EP-37 (or EP-40) into a CADS-shell. Presuming no loss in performance (payload, range, ROF, damage), then each EP-37CADS would be the equivalent of 20 Mini-Missiles (firing bursts) instead of 2, though you lose the blast radius.

They have something just like that in the Third Invid War web site.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:16 am

Thank you for the response Green.Nova! Good luck on the job hunt!

Chris0013 · Unread post by **Chris0013** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:16 pm

Considering this is up for pre-order can we at least get a cover for it? Beta battloid in a dramatic pose please???

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:00 pm

Chris0013 wrote:Considering this is up for pre-order can we at least get a cover for it? Beta battloid in a dramatic pose please???

CVR-clad Cycloners hoisting the UEEF 'Fighting Kite' atop a wrecked Invid Hive?

glitterboy2098 · Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:17 pm

how about a Hovertank providing fire support for a unit of cyclone riders, while in the background we can see a Horizont "AC-130" mod laying the smack down on an invid hive?

jedi078 · Unread post by **jedi078** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:31 pm

taalismn wrote:
Chris0013 wrote:Considering this is up for pre-order can we at least get a cover for it? Beta battloid in a dramatic pose please???

CVR-clad Cycloners hoisting the UEEF 'Fighting Kite' atop a wrecked Invid Hive?

Seems like we've seen that before.......and it wasn't posed. That and three of the guys who raised that flag didn't survie the battle of Iwo Jima.

glitterboy2098 wrote:how about a Hovertank providing fire support for a unit of cyclone riders, while in the background we can see a Horizont "AC-130" mod laying the smack down on an invid hive?

That would be a cool cover....IMO it needs to say action. Besides the UEEF needs a VHT.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:34 pm

The cover has to just scream dynamic action...static beauty shots of mecha are all very good and perfectly acceptable, but UEF Marines has to mean Blood, Guts, Sweat, Tears, and Protoculture...

Arnie100 · Unread post by **Arnie100** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:52 pm

Something like the US Marines who raised the Flag on Iwo Jima?

jedi078 · Unread post by **jedi078** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:08 pm

Arnie100 wrote:Something like the US Marines who raised the Flag on Iwo Jima?

Naw....what we need is a battle scene. Not a rip off of the Iwo Jima flag raising. Granted when that occurred the USMC was practically immortalized.

Chris0013 · Unread post by **Chris0013** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:00 am

Arnie100 wrote:Something like the US Marines who raised the Flag on Iwo Jima?

Team of cyclone riders raising the flag with a Beta Battloid in the dramatic pose super-imposed on it....still working on the 'eyes' in the background.....

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:21 am

Very nice images GB2098! I'd like to add to that..... A pair of ground variant legios hitting several invid target with heavy fire power.

Rabid Southern Cross Fan · Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:49 am

taalismn wrote:CVR-clad Cycloners hoisting the UEEF 'Fighting Kite' atop a wrecked Invid Hive?

You'll have to refresh my memory where this supposed UEEF 'Fighting Kite' is, cause I don't remember any symbol like that as part of the Expeditionary Forces.

glitterboy2098 · Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:19 am

how about the top of Space Station liberty? comprised of three of the things...

ZINO · Unread post by **ZINO** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:21 am

Arnie100 wrote:Something like the US Marines who raised the Flag on Iwo Jima?

your in the right track only they still fight in the middle of the battle filed with different mechas just turning the tie of battle

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:04 pm

Rabid Southern Cross Fan wrote:
taalismn wrote:CVR-clad Cycloners hoisting the UEEF 'Fighting Kite' atop a wrecked Invid Hive?

You'll have to refresh my memory where this supposed UEEF 'Fighting Kite' is, cause I don't remember any symbol like that as part of the Expeditionary Forces.

The triangular white RDF/U.N. Spacy symbol has occasionally been referred to as the 'fighting kite'...Since it also appears in the Macross sequels, Shadow Chronicles had to come up with a variant of it that was both familiar to fans of teh original series, but different enough to distinguish the Robotech series from its ancestry...so they made the 'kite' darker in color, and imposed three of them in an uber-triangle formation, long points out, and the three smaller points inward at the center...Very nice, but harder to draw...

Arnie100 · Unread post by **Arnie100** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:49 pm

Marines in CVR-3 armor about to be over-run by Invid when a squadron of Marine Alphas fly overhead saving the day!

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:13 am

GB2098 .... What are the three things on the top of Space Station Liberty you were talking about?

glitterboy2098 · Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:57 am

Aramanthus wrote:GB2098 .... What are the three things on the top of Space Station Liberty you were talking about?

Rabid asked for proof of the 'fighting kite' used by the UEEF. three of them make up the texture on the top of space station liberty in tSC. while that image was a pre-production image, this screen showt shows the same logo was used in the final production version. they just didn't really show a good angle on it.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:12 pm

glitterboy2098 wrote:
Aramanthus wrote:GB2098 .... What are the three things on the top of Space Station Liberty you were talking about?

Rabid asked for proof of the 'fighting kite' used by the UEEF. three of them make up the texture on the top of space station liberty in tSC. while that image was a pre-production image, this screen showt shows the same logo was used in the final production version. they just didn't really show a good angle on it.

Further evidence that Liberty was either wholly human-built or that old Factory Satellite underwent one HELLUVA renovation....

jedi078 · Unread post by **jedi078** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:42 pm

taalismn wrote:Further evidence that Liberty was either wholly human-built or that old Factory Satellite underwent one HELLUVA renovation....

IMO it is a different RT factory then the one captured durign the Macross saga.....there is no reason to spend the money and man power on such a renovation.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:13 am

We it probably was one of those old satellites. We only know of one being captured. There could have been several satellite captured for our needs.

tobefrnk · Unread post by **tobefrnk** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:34 am

Aramanthus wrote:We it probably was one of those old satellites. We only know of one being captured. There could have been several satellite captured for our needs.

According to the Art of the Shadow Chronicles book, Liberty is but one of many factory satellites appropriated by the UEDF/UEEF.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:47 am

I someday need to read that book. Thank you for the pics GB2098. They were cool pics!

Lt Gargoyle · Unread post by **Lt Gargoyle** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:17 am

Aramanthus wrote:We it probably was one of those old satellites. We only know of one being captured. There could have been several satellite captured for our needs.

If I remember correctly they hint to having to taken possession of the torilian shipyards in orbit of toril and other throughout the galaxy. in the hardback edition.

jedi078 · Unread post by **jedi078** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:46 pm

tobefrnk wrote:
Aramanthus wrote:We it probably was one of those old satellites. We only know of one being captured. There could have been several satellite captured for our needs.

According to the Art of the Shadow Chronicles book, Liberty is but one of many factory satellites appropriated by the UEDF/UEEF.

Yeah I know but Tommy Yune is probably going to say that Liberty was the one captured in 2013.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:52 pm

tobefrnk wrote:
Aramanthus wrote:We it probably was one of those old satellites. We only know of one being captured. There could have been several satellite captured for our needs.

According to the Art of the Shadow Chronicles book, Liberty is but one of many factory satellites appropriated by the UEDF/UEEF.

Though I'd like to know what levels of operational effectiveness they're in...Probably not all at the same level as Liberty...

glitterboy2098 · Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:24 pm

jedi078 wrote:
tobefrnk wrote:
Aramanthus wrote:We it probably was one of those old satellites. We only know of one being captured. There could have been several satellite captured for our needs.

According to the Art of the Shadow Chronicles book, Liberty is but one of many factory satellites appropriated by the UEDF/UEEF.

Yeah I know but Tommy Yune is probably going to say that Liberty was the one captured in 2013.

given the scale differance and completely different look, i'd hope not. i would settle on the UEEF having torn out all the useful parts of the factory-sat and built liberty using them though...

Lt Gargoyle · Unread post by **Lt Gargoyle** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:56 pm

taalismn wrote:
tobefrnk wrote:
Aramanthus wrote:We it probably was one of those old satellites. We only know of one being captured. There could have been several satellite captured for our needs.

According to the Art of the Shadow Chronicles book, Liberty is but one of many factory satellites appropriated by the UEDF/UEEF.

Though I'd like to know what levels of operational effectiveness they're in...Probably not all at the same level as Liberty...

maybe we can get some of that information with the new spaceship source book.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:18 pm

The real determiner of how many of them are operational, I imagine, would be when the UEEF cracked the secrets of Protoculture, and began powering up the derelict satellites...otherwise, the UEEF Corps of Engineers would have to haul in alternate powerplants...and with the sheer SIZE of a facsat, full power-up would mean rebuilding a few decks to support BIG fusion powerplants...or stringing the exteriors with acres of solar panels...Partial power-ups of select sections(say, the micro-chip fabrication or engine core works) might be the standard procedure until they could get the power to repair the whole station...

Lt Gargoyle · Unread post by **Lt Gargoyle** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:10 pm

I would like to see the info for sure so we can have that. And it would be cool to have the back ground info on how the UEEF handled things.

Robroy · Unread post by **Robroy** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:21 am

I would definitely like to see more then one factory satellite. To have the UEEF rely on one FS from 2013 to the time they capture the Torilian, or other, shipyards. just seems like putting all your eggs in one basket.

And I have some FS at some colonies

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:49 pm

Sign: (InTirolian)
"Will the last person to leave the Factory Satellite please turn off the lights and remember to put the key under the doormat."

Arnie100 · Unread post by **Arnie100** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:50 pm

I'd hate to be the janitor...

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:42 pm

Arnie100 wrote:I'd hate to be the janitor...

That's what lowest rank Zentraedi are for....After MONTHS of sweeping and mopping, you look forward to being cannon-fodder and going out in a blaze of glory...

Lt Gargoyle · Unread post by **Lt Gargoyle** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:22 pm

the three zentraedi in thier work overalls are about half way down the mile long corridor when an officer walks through and makes a trail from the metal shavings from one of the factories work areas. The two small Zentraedi stare in ah as the third member breaks his mop and beats the officer who did not even see the attack coming.

The one on the left says; gee, I think someone needs to get out and kill some Invid.
The one on the right replies; yea, or maybe the new guy just takes this job to seriously.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:22 am

I have admit I'd like to see the UEEF having more than one of these satelite factories.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:45 pm

Lt Gargoyle wrote:the three zentraedi in thier work overalls are about half way down the mile long corridor when an officer walks through and makes a trail from the metal shavings from one of the factories work areas. The two small Zentraedi stare in ah as the third member breaks his mop and beats the officer who did not even see the attack coming.

The one on the left says; gee, I think someone needs to get out and kill some Invid.
The one on the right replies; yea, or maybe the new guy just takes this job to seriously.

Or worse yet..after polishing the floor, the poor gobs get to watch Khyron's Glaug come in tromping mud from its feet....