The best Character Class in Rifts...........

Kagashi · Unread post by **Kagashi** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:57 am

While there are some that are clearly better than other, like the Combat Mage is inferior to that of the Battle Magus, I agree with Sam. Its too subjective of a question.

Juicers are a nice pick cause nobody ever plays out 5 years of role playing time in any campaign.

I enjoy magic classes and RCCs with natural MDC because of cost reasons for armor and ammo. But a cyborg is cool too in terms of raw power...so I dont really know the answer to the question. Vagabonds can be fun to play and have no power in any category aside "eyeballing a fella", which apparently they excel at and nobody else does.

everloss · Unread post by **everloss** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:52 pm

my all-time favorite OCC in Rifts is the Psi-Slayer. one of the very very few worthwhile things in that entire book. Doesn't need to eat, has unique and powerful psi-powers, has the option of getting Mind Bleeder powers, can track anything, anywhere, and the fluff text was pretty good. hell, the Ramon Perez drawing was awesome too!

Crucible · Unread post by **Crucible** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:08 pm

Scatterbrain76 wrote:I say its gotta be the Rouge Scholar w/ major psionics. thats just my opinion though, what do you think?

I have a few

Rogue Scholar
Atlantean Nomad
Undead Slayer
Fallen Cosmic Knight
Mystic Knight
Blade Mage
Nega Psychic

csbioborg · Unread post by **csbioborg** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:19 pm

dead boy

he is the heart of rifts

that reasonable every man

beat scarred and bruised

but he is still going

fighting gods and monsters

he dosen't try to understand or reason

he just knows it is either us or them

keir451 · Unread post by **keir451** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:33 pm

My top ones are Rogue Scholar/ Scientists and Special Forces from Mercenaries, all of them have excellent skill selections that can make them Jacks of All Trades, but the Spec. Forces adds in staggering combat ability as well.

Dunia · Unread post by **Dunia** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:05 pm

I like the:
CS Ley Line/Rifts Scientists
Rogue Scholars
Robot Pilot (I am a Battletech fan)
Barmaid

Anthar · Unread post by **Anthar** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:15 pm

I personally like the Psi-tech, they get a good skill set and good psionic abilities.

Crucible · Unread post by **Crucible** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:40 pm

Once played a human Space Pirate in Phase World. AWESOME!!! His name was Maelstrom.

Misfit KotLD · Unread post by **Misfit KotLD** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:18 pm

Kagashi wrote:Juicers are a nice pick cause nobody ever plays out 5 years of role playing time in any campaign.

I'm in a game now that's covered ten years real-time and four or so years of game time.

Still, best is a useless question without qualification.

Sir Blayse · Unread post by **Sir Blayse** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:28 pm

Well I have a few that I think are the best.

Man of arms: I would say full conversion borg
Adventurer: Rouge Scholar
Magic: Ley Line Walker
Psychic: Mind Melter

Of all I think my favorite would be the Ley line walker.

Danger · Unread post by **Danger** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:30 pm

Techno-Wizard

rat_bastard · Unread post by **rat_bastard** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:38 pm

Operator

Wildfire · Unread post by **Wildfire** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:54 pm

two best classes for me

Temporal wizard
Head Hunter

Killer Cyborg · Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:42 am

Scatterbrain76 wrote:I say its gotta be the Rouge Scholar w/ major psionics. thats just my opinion though, what do you think?

I think they wear too much makeup.

runebeo · Unread post by **runebeo** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:35 am

My favorites are
- City Technologist from Australia
- Achilles Neo-Humans
- Shifter
- Monster Hunter
- Mystic Knights
- Psi-Slayers

Balabanto · Unread post by **Balabanto** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:29 am

csbioborg wrote:dead boy

he is the heart of rifts

that reasonable every man

beat scarred and bruised

but he is still going

fighting gods and monsters

he dosen't try to understand or reason

he just knows it is either us or them

This is impossible. Use logic, man. If he is a reasonable everyman, he must try to understand or reason. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying there's a clear and present contradiction in your argument.

The real issue here is that "Best" has so many different meanings. He might as well have said "What do you like?" followed by "Would you like fries with that?"

Classes I really like:

Battle Magus
Dragon Hatchling
Ley Line Walker
Cyberknight
Rogue Scholar
Rogue Scientist
Robot Pilot
Glitter Boy
Amazon
Cyber-Samurai
Mind Melter
Russian Borgs (I like em big n' clunky. I think it was the treads on some of them that really did it for me)
Geofront Powered Armor Pilot
Headhunter Robot Specialist

Classes I really hate

Gypsy Beguilier. This is the worst Magic OCC in the game.
Triax Military OCCs. Never leave the Triax Military. Suck a 25 percent XP penalty. FOREVER.

Nightshade37 · Unread post by **Nightshade37** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:22 am

Some of my favorites:

Slayer (from Mystic Russia)

Super Spy

Special Forces (from Mercenaries)

Balabanto · Unread post by **Balabanto** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:28 am

It can't do that, though, Benly. Because if you're shapeshifted, all your skill percentages get cut in HALF! How are you supposed to infiltrate when your deception skills make you little better than a drooling guy who failed out of con artist school?

Balabanto · Unread post by **Balabanto** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:14 am

Benly wrote:
Balabanto wrote:It can't do that, though, Benly. Because if you're shapeshifted, all your skill percentages get cut in HALF! How are you supposed to infiltrate when your deception skills make you little better than a drooling guy who failed out of con artist school?

How good at bluffing does a squirrel have to be to not look like a spy?

Worth noting: the guy who failed out of con artist school doesn't have the skill at all, so you're a step ahead of him. Skills being cut in half does kind of cripple human-form disguises, though, and is sort of generally ********.

(Which reminds me: are there actually rules for using skills you don't have? I can't find them in RUE or the GMG, and I'm not looking forward to the idea of trying to sift every frigging book for it. Obviously you're not going to be using Astrophysics untrained, and just as obviously you don't need specialty training to at least try Public Speaking or Seduction - but it's my inclination to say that even for those, somebody who has the skill, even if his percentage is docked severely, is going to do better than anyone who doesn't have the skill.)

A squirrel has to not be near a psi-stalker.

Balabanto · Unread post by **Balabanto** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:56 am

The issue is that a squirrel costs more PPE than a different human does. The point of the class is to be able to infiltrate things. You can't even READ at the same rate that you can while you're shapeshifted. Your social skills drop through the floor. You can't beguile a tomato!

Also, why be this class when for 300 XP more between 1 and 2, you can be a Dragon Hatchling and be fifteen bajillion times better? You're the only person so far who hasn't said that this is the worst OCC in the game.

csbioborg · Unread post by **csbioborg** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:01 pm

Balabanto wrote:[
This is impossible. Use logic, man. If he is a reasonable everyman, he must try to understand or reason. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying there's a clear and present contradiction in your argument.

The real issue here is that "Best" has so many different meanings. He might as well have said "What do you like?" followed by "Would you like fries with that?"

Headhunter Robot Specialist

Classes I really hate

Gypsy Beguilier. This is the worst Magic OCC in the game.
Triax Military OCCs. Never leave the Triax Military. Suck a 25 percent XP penalty. FOREVER.

When I stated the Dead Boy is the reasonable man I was referencing a term in law and philosphy. The reasonable man is the everyday common man. It is not stating the reasonable man is a man of reason. No te reasonable man is a man that acts with all the passions of the masses yet never beyond the norm. This is the Dead Boy. A man that sees his world ravaged by alien forces. He lives without succor or salvation from the rift gods. He is one human amongst many fighting forces an order of magnitude more powerful than he can even comprehend. However, he has faith in his leadership to guide him. So with C-12 in hand he fights on. No greater goals than the survival and autonomy of himself and the human race.
THis makes the Dead Boy the reaonsonable man in rifts. For the reaonable man has no time to reason only time to make war.

Shark_Force · Unread post by **Shark_Force** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:54 pm

perhaps the most impressive part of the new rogue scholar OCC to me is that they can teach people rather quickly. they may gain many enemies, but they'll also gain plenty of allies, imo.

Balabanto · Unread post by **Balabanto** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:42 am

csbioborg wrote:
Balabanto wrote:[
This is impossible. Use logic, man. If he is a reasonable everyman, he must try to understand or reason. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying there's a clear and present contradiction in your argument.

The real issue here is that "Best" has so many different meanings. He might as well have said "What do you like?" followed by "Would you like fries with that?"

Headhunter Robot Specialist

Classes I really hate

Gypsy Beguilier. This is the worst Magic OCC in the game.
Triax Military OCCs. Never leave the Triax Military. Suck a 25 percent XP penalty. FOREVER.

When I stated the Dead Boy is the reasonable man I was referencing a term in law and philosphy. The reasonable man is the everyday common man. It is not stating the reasonable man is a man of reason. No te reasonable man is a man that acts with all the passions of the masses yet never beyond the norm. This is the Dead Boy. A man that sees his world ravaged by alien forces. He lives without succor or salvation from the rift gods. He is one human amongst many fighting forces an order of magnitude more powerful than he can even comprehend. However, he has faith in his leadership to guide him. So with C-12 in hand he fights on. No greater goals than the survival and autonomy of himself and the human race.
THis makes the Dead Boy the reaonsonable man in rifts. For the reaonable man has no time to reason only time to make war.

That argument can't be applied in a society where everyone isn't equal under the law. The standard of reasonableness is meant to be applied in a society where everyone is equal under the law. When a deadboy is indoctrinated into the Coalition Army, he doesn't protect civilians as his first priority. He serves Emperor Prosek as his first priority. Everyone is not equal under the law in that society. It's the Prosek family, Coalition High Command, and then everyone else.

I'm sorry. You can love the deadboy. But your argument still makes no sense.

csbioborg · Unread post by **csbioborg** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:18 am

ya you missed my whole point
let me try again
the deadboy is the average joe pushed into a life of war by alien forces that wage war against us
he is me your neighbor your cousin
just a normal man who isn't willing to lay down and beg to some alien god to survive
just a regular guy doing grabing his rifle and saying this is my land find your own

also there is no evidence the CS is anymore startfied than America's
citizen's appear to be equal under the law
saying the Prosek's have more freedom is true but so do the Kennedy's
in fact the CS appears to be more just and equal than western soceites
all citizens recieve excellent life extending healthcare
work and food seem to be plentiful
this is reflected in the military where many poor citizens and occasionally noncitizens
become top ranking officers

Spinachcat · Unread post by **Spinachcat** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:30 am

Vagabond!!!

He's got candy! In fact, he's the only person in the Megaverse with candy.

The Crazy is another great class because he THINKS he has candy.

Subjugator · Unread post by **Subjugator** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:34 am

Spinachcat wrote:Vagabond!!!

He's got candy! In fact, he's the only person in the Megaverse with candy.

The Crazy is another great class because he THINKS he has candy.

Crazies can have Twinkies. Dude, Twinkies OWN candy.

/Sub

BillionSix · Unread post by **BillionSix** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:34 am

There are two types of Rouge Scholar:

1) a scholar specializing in makeup designed to redden the face or lips.

and 2) a scholar specializing if ferric oxide based powder used for polishing metal and glass.

Theoretically, a Rouge Scholar could learn both, but let's be honest, they are separate disciplines.

In the north, there is a third form or Rouge Scholar that knows a lot about Canadian Football.

Brian

Prince Artemis · Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:27 am

Techno-Wizard, best of all worlds with unique abilities to boot.

Steeler49er · Unread post by **Steeler49er** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 2:59 am

I gots meez two, see...

1)Re-Shaper Spacial Mage!!!

And

2) Any Race VAGABONDS

Killer Cyborg · Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:02 am

The best Character Class in Rifts...........

Is whichever one I'm playing.

TechnoGothic · Unread post by **TechnoGothic** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:01 pm

For myself I have to say :

FULL CONVERSION CYBORG aka BORG OCC.

londonbaz · Unread post by **londonbaz** » Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:57 am

I have made 100s of characters over the last 3 or 4 years (dont have a group to play with) and keep coming back to 4 OOCs in a variety of races...

Lord Magus (True Atlantean by preference, human if not, possibly dual OOCing at around 9th level as a shifter...)
Battle Magus (Human, Elf, Avianne or Wolfen - all work well for me)
Cold Blooded (Would love to play a Cold Blooded Blucie... but love vanilla human ones too)
Warlock (Air) (Avianne or Dnorr Devilman)

nineveh · Unread post by **nineveh** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:45 am

Battle Magus, Shifter, Techno-Wizard, Eco-Wizard, and Demon Queller.

keir451 · Unread post by **keir451** » Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:06 pm

For me the top notch class is Special Forces from Mercenaries.

Balabanto · Unread post by **Balabanto** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:37 am

Paratrooper blows Special Forces away.

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:19 pm

My personal favorite class in all of Rifts.

Maxi-Man, with a couple Bio-Borg additions.

You could build just an insane beast able to take out litterally squads at a time of CS Troops with just 1 being ..

I think Atlantis has some of thee best ways to create slaves. :twisted:

nineveh · Unread post by **nineveh** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:50 pm

Which book is the Gun Master O.C.C. in?

keir451 · Unread post by **keir451** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:52 pm

keir451 wrote:For me the top notch class is Special Forces from Mercenaries.

I would like to add that I also love the Psi-Tech, operator and the burster classes as well!

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:57 am

I absolutly have to change my mind.

I am in love with Tattoo'ed Characters with multiple Bio-Wizard additions.

I now have to think that the Techno-Wizard is by far and away the single best Character in the game.

They can manipulate magic on such a lvl as to be able to cast high (lvl10+) spells in 1 action threw thier creations multiple times per melee ..

They are able to cross magic over from other discplines of magic incorperating it into thier creations.

They can basically create any type of device they want/need for nearly every situation, they could possibly need such items in ..

They can chain spells to form any type of effect ..

You think that lvl 5 Gunslinger is deadly with thier bonas's ? Watch as Bob the TW uses two items an is now just as deadly !!

TW's seem to be the top of the class when it comes to OCC's .

Shark_Force · Unread post by **Shark_Force** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:38 pm

TW has a lot of potential, but is not automatically awesome. it's very situational on what devices the TW has, which is highly dependant on what spells and gems the TW has access to, as well as how much PPE the TW can sling.

Ziggurat the Eternal · Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:07 pm

Danger wrote:Techno-Wizard

rat_bastard wrote:Operator

I see your offers, and raise you one High Magus. He can both enchant, and do the technological stuff. Oh, and he starts with the majority of his spells over level 8.

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:31 pm

Darkorinth wrote:Meh, the GB never impressed me on it's own. I'll just dismount the boom gun, sell it for a crapload of money. Then take the gun and do very wrong things with it.

I had a group almost crap their pants when they realized the bandits they were fighting had taken a boom gun and turned it into an implaced weapon. They party only survive because they put everything they had into making sure no bandit lived long enough to pull the trigger on the gun.

ooooo you just gave me some nasty ideas for my parties next encounter.....

as for my favorite class...i have a couple....I REALLY like the Bot RCC from SB1 (though I prefer the one from non revise as opposed to the revised one). Also the Spec Forces from Mercenaries and teh Godling RCC from CB2

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:45 pm

Darkorinth wrote:
jaymz wrote:
Darkorinth wrote:Meh, the GB never impressed me on it's own. I'll just dismount the boom gun, sell it for a crapload of money. Then take the gun and do very wrong things with it.

I had a group almost crap their pants when they realized the bandits they were fighting had taken a boom gun and turned it into an implaced weapon. They party only survive because they put everything they had into making sure no bandit lived long enough to pull the trigger on the gun.

ooooo you just gave me some nasty ideas for my parties next encounter.....

as for my favorite class...i have a couple....I REALLY like the Bot RCC from SB1 (though I prefer the one from non revise as opposed to the revised one). Also the Spec Forces from Mercenaries and teh Godling RCC from CB2

Recently one of the PCs was in Atlantis and fought with an Arena Champion named the Rahu Crusher. He's a bio-wizard modified giant with two extra arms. The bottom pair of arms was armed with a boom gun connected to a ammo pack with 1000 rounds in it. It for some mysterious reason was white and had the words frigidair picked out in silver lettering.

Ice Dragon · Unread post by **Ice Dragon** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:38 am

Best for me is still the (ice) dragon hatchling.

Follow up are:

- Amazon
- Godling/Demigod
- Temporal Wizard/Warrior
- Psi Slinger
- Anti Monster
- Robot Pilot/R.P.A.

Danger · Unread post by **Danger** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:38 pm

Shark_Force wrote:TW has a lot of potential, but is not automatically awesome. it's very situational on what devices the TW has, which is highly dependant on what spells and gems the TW has access to, as well as how much PPE the TW can sling.

Techno-Wizards are in fact, totally awesome. It's in the description of their O.C.C.

Danger · Unread post by **Danger** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:40 pm

Darkorinth wrote:Meh, the GB never impressed me on it's own.

770 M.D.C., 8 Attacks per Round, and a Boom Gun? What else do you need to be impressed? :eek:

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:41 pm

Danger wrote:
Darkorinth wrote:Meh, the GB never impressed me on it's own.

770 M.D.C., 8 Attacks per Round, and a Boom Gun? What else do you need to be impressed?

Ok just so I know how you got 8 attacks: 4 HTH, 2 RC:E, 1 boxing, 1 for being a descended?

Danger · Unread post by **Danger** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:46 pm

Darkorinth wrote:
Danger wrote:
Darkorinth wrote:Meh, the GB never impressed me on it's own.

770 M.D.C., 8 Attacks per Round, and a Boom Gun? What else do you need to be impressed?

It almost no tactical flexibility. Yes the Boom Gun is nice, but without it what do you have? As I've said in other posts I'd rather take the boom gun and do much more creative things with it. 770 MDC is a lot, but there are other armors that have plenty, but have more tatical flexibility. Of course that's only my personal opinion, but I've never felt the urge to play a character piloting one or run screaming if I hear that there is one out there. Personally my first choice for PA will always be a SAMAS.

When you have a Boom Gun, what else do you need?

On a side note, I applaud your creativity with 'other' applications for the Boom Gun. But still...Glitterboy's are not to be trifled with.

Hotrod · Unread post by **Hotrod** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:34 pm

This question entirely depends on the adventuring group. Rather than select a single class, I've put together the best all-around party I could find:

Leader
Scout
Slugger
Healer
Support

A well-rounded Rifts party should have at least one person who can address most situations and needs. In particlar, they should be able to handle combat, healing, technology, repairs, magic, psionics, traveling, and trading. I'll go into detail on one:
All-Around North American Party:
Cyber Knight
Wilderness Scout
Full Conversion Borg
Cyber-Doc
Techno-Wizard

Every party needs a leader to be effective. Personality aside, this leader should be able to lead from the front, since most parties tend to be small, and should therefore have strong combat abilities, while at the same time remain relatively well-rounded. Some psychic abilities lend themselves to good decision-making. Cyber knights seem to fit this bill the best. Psi-Stalkers would be even better, but only in an anti-supernatural kind of campaign.

Every party should have a scout of some kind; the kind of person who can guide them to where they need to go while avoiding unwanted entanglements. If your adventures are entirely urban, the city rat is your best bet. Since most are not, it's hard to beat the Wilderness Scout.

Some fights are just too heavy-duty to do without a true combat specialist. Robots and power armor are great for one fight, but their repair costs are just too high. Borgs, on the other hand, are cheap to keep in the fight (based on the cost of the red armor in the main book), and remarkably resilient.

With violence as common as it is, your party WILL get hurt. You will therefore need a healer. Body fixers are nice, but when an MDC blast vaporizes an arm, you need a new arm, not a band-aid. Cyber-Docs, with appropriate skill selections, can maintain your party AND your party's gear. This is a doubly effective selection with a borg in the group

Finally, every group needs a support person. Someone who is strong in an unusual but important area that the rest of the party lacks. For this party, magic is the missing area, and the Techno-Wizard fits perfectly, providing magic knowledge along with technical abilities to back up the Cyber-Doc.

That wraps up the general North American group. Some more specialized ones:

CS Group:
Technical Officer
Dog Boy
SAMAS/RPA Pilot
Grunt (Medic MOS)
Psi-Stalker

Inter-Dimensional Group (Good):
True Atlantean Undead Slayer
Shifter
Dragon Hatchling (Chiang-Ku)
Psi-Healer
Techno-Wizard

Danger · Unread post by **Danger** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:49 am

jaymz wrote:
Danger wrote:
Darkorinth wrote:Meh, the GB never impressed me on it's own.

770 M.D.C., 8 Attacks per Round, and a Boom Gun? What else do you need to be impressed?

Ok just so I know how you got 8 attacks: 4 HTH, 2 RC:E, 1 boxing, 1 for being a descended?

That is correct. Most Glitterboy adventurers are decendents.