Legendary/Famous Weapons From The Real World and Mythology

[LostOne]

Just curious what weapons people have used or considered bringing into their games, either as an actual artifact or as a player having a nightbane morphus feature that provides an enhanced damage weapon or playing a Swordbearer?

Some that I have considered:

Akedah Knife - knife crafted from a meteorite that Abraham was going to use to sacrifice Isaac
Spear of Destiny/Longinus aka Holy Lance - Spear that pierced Christ on the cross
Mjolnir - Hammer of Thor


I'm also interested in weapons from non-Christian non-European cultures. I know pretty much nothing about asian legendary weapons, etc.

[jaymz]

Just curious what weapons people have used or considered bringing into their games, either as an actual artifact or as a player having a nightbane morphus feature that provides an enhanced damage weapon or playing a Swordbearer?

Some that I have considered:

Akedah Knife - knife crafted from a meteorite that Abraham was going to use to sacrifice Isaac
Spear of Destiny/Longinus aka Holy Lance - Spear that pierced Christ on the cross
Mjolnir - Hammer of Thor


I'm also interested in weapons from non-Christian non-European cultures. I know pretty much nothing about asian legendary weapons, etc.

Well Thors Hammer has been used in Rifts canon. He is int eh Pantheons of the Megaverse book.

[Misfit KotLD]

Wikipedia is our friend.

Armor

* The Armor of Achilles, created by Hephaestus and said to be impenetrable (Greek mythology)
* The Armor of Thor, consisting of the Girdle of Might, a magic belt that doubled his strength; and iron gloves so he could wield Mjolnir (see below)
* The Armor of Beowulf, made by Weyland the Smith
* The Armor of Karna, known as Kavacha. In Indian Mythology Karna was the son of the Sun god. Karna was born with Kavacha, his armor. Nothing can penetrate Kavacha. Indra, the king of the gods in Amravati in Svarga, tricked Karna to give it to him, so that Arjuna, Indra's son born as a human on earth can slay him in the Kurukshetra War.

Headgear

* The Helmet of Rostam, upon which was fixed the head of the white giant Dive-e Sepid, from the Persian epic Shahnama.
* The Helmet of Hades, created by the Cyclopes for Hades. It made the wearer invisible.
* The Tarnhelm, a helmet giving the wearer the ability to change form or become invisible. Used by Alberich in Der Ring Des Nibelungen.

Shields

* The Aegis, Zeus' shield, often loaned to his daughter Athena, also used by Perseus (Greek mythology).
* Svalinn is a shield which stands before the sun. (Norse mythology)
* Ancile, shield of the Roman god Mars.
* Shield of Telamonian Ajax

Shields from the Matter of Britain

* The Shield of Galahad, made by King Evelake and adorned with a red cross painted with the blood of Joseph of Arimathea.
* The Shield of Lancelot, given to him by the Lady of the Lake, it instantly cured him of tiredness and gave him the strength of three men.

Shields from the Spanish mythology

* The Shield of El Cid, according to the epic poem Carmen Campidoctoris, bears the image of a fierce shining golden dragon.[1]

Weapons
Further information: List of magical weapons

* Cronus' sickle, made of Adamantine and able to cut through anything (Greek mythology)
* Death's Scythe, was to represent the Christian cultural interpretation of death as a "harvest of souls". The view states that death takes life as we do crops. The scythe was never discussed in detail and is more popular as a common day icon associated with the Grim Reaper.
* Golden sickle, Mentioned in the Biblical Book of Revelations. It was to be used in the final harvest of human souls.
* Grid's Rod, an iron staff given to Thor so he could kill the Troll King. Grid also gave him the "Armor of Thor" (see above)
* Sudarshana Chakra A legendary spinning disc like weapon used by the Hindu God Vishnu.
* Mjolnir, the magic hammer of Thor. It was invulnerable and when thrown it would return to the user's hand (Norse mythology)
* The Thunderbolts of Zeus, given to him by the Cyclops in Greek mythology, or by Vulcan in the Roman mythology
* Vajra, the lightning bolts of Indra (Hindu mythology)
* Ruyi Jingu Bang, the staff of Sun Wukong; the staff of the Monkey King could alter its size from a tiny needle to a mighty pillar.

Swords

* Kusanagi-no-tsurugi (Japanese: 草薙の剣) (also Ame no Murakumo no Tsurugi 天叢雲剣 or Tsumugari no Tachi 都牟刈の太刀), the sword of the Japanese god Susanoo, later given to his sister Amaterasu. (Japanese mythology)
* Shamshir-e Zomorrodnegar (Persian: شمشیر زمردنگار) "The emerald-studded Sword" in the Persian mythical story Amir Arsalan. The hideous horned demon called Fulad-zereh was invulnerable to all weapons except the blows of Shamshir-e Zomorrodnegar. This blade originally belonged to King Solomon.
* The Sword of Peleus, a magic sword that makes its wielder victorious in the battle or the hunt (Greek mythology)
* The Sword of Death, A grey sword that can a kill a person if you just cut a lock of their hair off.(Greek Mythology)

Swords from Celtic Mythology

* Caladbolg (also Caladcholg), the sword of Fergus mac Róich and powerful enough to cut the tops off three hills; related to the Caledfwlch of Welsh mythology
* Caledfwlch Often compared to Excalibur (and might be an alternate name for it), this sword is used by Llenlleawg Wyddel to kill Diwrnach Wyddel and his men.
* Claíomh Solais (The Sword of Light), the sword of Nuada, leader of the Tuatha de Danann
* Fragarach (also The Sword of Air, The Answerer or The Retaliator), forged by the gods. No armor could stop it, and it would grant its wielder command over the powers of wind
* Dyrnwyn aka The Sword of Rhydderch - "Rhydderch the generous." A flaming sword not unlike Excalibur in abilities. One of the Spoils of Annwyn.
* The Singing Sword of Conaire Mór

Swords from Germanic Mythology (excluding Norse)

* Hrunting, the magical sword of Beowulf (Anglo-Saxon verse)
* Nægling, the other magical sword of Beowulf. Found in the cave of Grendel's mother.
* Nothung, the sword from Die Walküre (Wagnerian mythology), also known as Gram, or Balmung (see below) wielded by Siegfried
* Nagelring, the sword of Dietrich von Bern.
* Mimung, Wudga's sword that received from his father Wayland the Smith

Weapons from the Matter of Britain

* Clarent, the sword in the stone which Arthur pulled free to become King of Britain, not to be mistaken with Excalibur. Sometimes is said to have been the blade used by Mordred (Arthur's illegitimate son) to kill King Arthur.
* Excalibur, the sword which King Arthur received from the Lady of the Lake
* The Grail Sword, a cracked holy sword which Sir Percival bonded back together, though the crack remained.
* Carnwennan, The dagger Arthur used.
* Galatine, Gawain's sword.
* Arondight, Lancelot's sword.

Swords from Norse Mythology

* Balmung/Gram, the sword that Odin struck into the Branstock tree which only Sigmund the Volsung was able to pull out. It broke in battle with Odin but was later reforged by Sigmund's son Sigurd/Siegfried and used it to slay the dragon Fafnir. After being reforged, it could cleave an anvil in half. (Possibly another source of the clarent and Excalibur legends which have similar discriptions) (Norse mythology)
* Dáinsleif is king Högni's sword, according to Snorri Sturluson's account of the battle known as the Hjaðningavíg.
* Mistilteinn, the magical sword of Prainn, the draugr, later owned by Hromundr Gripsson
* Freyr's sword, Freyr's magic sword which fought on its own. It might be Lævateinn.
* Tyrfing (also Tirfing or Tervingi), the cursed sword of Svafrlami, from the Elder Edda; also said to be the sword of Odin in Wagnerian mythology
* Hofud, the sword of Heimdall, the guardian of Bifrost.
* Skofnung, a sword with mythical properties associated with the legendary Danish king Hrólf Kraki.
* Laevateinn, a sword mentioned in an emendation to the Poetic Edda Fjölsvinnsmál by Sophus Bugge.

Swords from the Matter of France

* Almace, Almice or Almacia is the sword of Turpin, Archbishop of Reims.
* Courtain (also Curtana or Cortana in Italian), first of the two magical swords of Ogier the Dane.
* Sauvagine, second of the two magical swords of Ogier the Dane.
* Durandal (also Durendal or Durlindana in Italian), the sword of Roland (Orlando in medieval Italian verse)
* Hauteclaire (also Halteclere or Altachiara in Italian), the sword of Olivier.
* Joyeuse, the sword of Charlemagne.
* Murgleis, sword of Ganelon, traitor and cousin of Roland.
* Précieuse, sword of Baligant, Emir of Babylon.

Swords from Spanish mythology

* Tizona, the sword of El Cid, it frightens unworthy opponents, as shown in the heroic poem Cantar de mio Cid.[2]
* Colada, the other sword of El Cid, as Tizona its power depends on the warrior that wields it.[3]
* Lobera, the sword of the king Saint Ferdinand III of Castile, inheritance of the epic hero Fernán González, according to Don Juan Manuel, Duke of Peñafiel.[4]

Polearms
Celtic mythology

* The Gae Bolg, the spear of Cuchulainn, given to him by Aife, the sister of Scathach, and made from the bone of a sea-monster.
* The Spear Luin (also Spear of Fire or Spear of Destiny), forged by the Smith of Falias for Lugh to use in his fight against Balor.
* Ogma's Whip - the spear of Ogma (the Celtic sun god) is used to "guide the passage of the invisible sun".
* Rhongomiant, which was the spear of King Arthur.
* Ysbaddadan's Javelins This Fomori owned a set of spears dipped in poisonous venom.

Norse mythology

* Gungnir, Odin's magic spear created by the dwarf Dvalin. It would never miss its aim and it could not be stopped in mid-throw.
* Spears of the Valkyrie "Various" The weapons of the infamous Valkyries, these weapons are described as having flaming barbs.

Spanish mythology

* The lance of Olyndicus, the celtiberians' war chief who fought against Rome. According to Florus, he wielded a silver lance that was sent to him by the gods from the sky.[5]

Greek mythology

* The Pelian Spear, Achilles' great mythical spear. Created by Hephaestus and given to Peleus at his wedding with Thetis.

Japanese mythology

* Amenonuhoko (heavenly spear), the naginata used by the Shinto deities Izanagi and Izanami to create the world (Japanese mythology)

Christian mythology

* The Spear of Destiny (also Spear of Longinus or the Holy Lance), the spear said to have pierced the side of Jesus at the crucifixion.

Tridents

* Kongō, A trident-shaped staff which emits a bright light in the darkness. It gives a man wisdom and insight. The staff belonged originally to the Japanese mountain-god Koya-no-Myoin. It is the equivalent of the Sanskrit vajra, the lightning-jewel of the mountain-god Indra. There the staff represents the three flames of the sacrificial fire, part of the image of the vajra wheel.
* Poseidon's Trident, used to create horses and some water sources in Greece. It could cause earthquakes when struck on the ground. Greek.
* Trishula, the trident of the Hindu deity Shiva, stylized by some as used as a missile weapon and often included a crossed stabilizer to facilitate flight when thrown.

Bows

* Apollo's bow, could cause health or could cause famine and death in sleep.
* Cupid's bow, could cause one to love or hate the person he/she first saw after being struck.
* Gandiva, Arjuna's bow in The Bhagavad-Gita ("Song of God")
* The Golden Bow, Ilmarinen was tasked with forging Sampo, his first attempt produced lesser artifacts which he smashed - a Golden Bow, a Red Ship and a Golden Plough.
* Heracles's bow, Which also belonged to Philoctetes, it's arrows had the Lernaean Hydra poison.

Clothing

* Babr-e Bayan, the mythical coat worn by the Persian legendary hero Rostam in combat, it was fire-proof, water-proof and weapon-proof
* The Coat of Many Colors of Joseph (Judeo-Christian mythology)
* Hermes's Winged Sandals (Talaria), which allowed him to fly and move at super-sonic speeds
* The Hide of Leviathan was supposedly able to be turned into everlasting clothing or impenetrable suits of armor.
* The Hide of the Nemean lion, which Heracles earned overcoming the Nemean lion and it's supposedly able to endure every weapon and it's unbreakable
* Aphrodite's Magic Girdle, a magic material that made whoever you desired would fall in love with you.
* Llen Arthyr yng Nghernyw: The Mantle of Arthur in Cornwall: whoever was under it could not be seen, and he could see everyone. One of the Thirteen Treasures of the Island of Britain.
* Megingjörð (Megingjord), was a belt which gave the wearer strength. (Norse mythology)
* Pais Badarn Beisrydd, The Coat of Padarn Red-Coat: if a well-born man put it on, it would be the right size for him; if a churl, it would not go upon him. One of the Thirteen Treasures of the Island of Britain.
* The Falcon Cloak owned by Freyja, it allows the wielder to turn into a falcon and fly.
* Seven-league boots allowed the wearer to travel seven leagues with each step.
* Tarnkappe Sigurd's magical cloak that made the wearer invisible.
* The Shoes of Vidar These shoes gave the god Vidar unparalleled foot protection. (Norse mythology)
* Wigar the armor of King Arthur.
* The Seamless Robe of Jesus (or Holy Tunic, Holy Coat of Trier, Holy Coat of Trèves) is the robe said to have been worn by Jesus during (or shortly before) his crucifixion. It will heal any ill to anyone who touches it. (Judeo-Christian Mythology)[citation needed]

Jewelry
Norse mythology

* Andvarinaut was a magical ring capable of producing gold, first owned by Andvari. (Norse mythology)
* Brísingamen is the necklace of the goddess Freyja. When she wore it no man or god could withstand her charms. (Norse mythology)
* Draupnir is a golden arm ring possessed by Odin. The ring was a source of endless wealth, since each ninth morning it had spawned eight more gold rings just like itself. (Norse mythology)
* The Golden Tresses of Sif - Loki tricked the beautiful Sif into shaving her head. The Golden Tresses of Sif are the wig made to hide the mess. The Golden Tresses moulded themselves to Sif's head and even grew longer like real hair (Norse mythology).

Spanish mythology

* The Ring of Mudarra is the ring that Gonzalo Bustos breaks in two pieces to later on recognize his future son. When Mudarra joins the two halves, it becomes again a complete ring and Gonzalo Bustos heals his blindness, as shown in the epic poem Cantar de los siete infantes de Lara.[6]

Hindu mythology

* Kaustubha is a divine jewel, the most valuable stone "Mani" is in the possession of Vishnu. (Hindu mythology)

Christian mythology

* Seal of Solomon is a magical brass or steel ring that could imprison demons. (Judeo-Christian Mythology)

Vehicles
Airborne

* The Flying Throne of Kai Kavus was an eagle-propelled craft built by the Persian king Kai Kavus, used for flying the king all the way to China
* The Flying Carpet or the "Prince Housain's carpet", the magic carpet from Tangu in Persia.
* Auspicious Cloud a magical cloud that Sun Wukong used as a mode of transportation
* The Vimana is a mythological flying machine from the Sanskrit epics, of Hindu origin.

Boats

* The Argo is the ship of the Argonauts. Its bow could talk and it had the power of prophecy (Greek mythology)
* The Canoe of Gluskab, able to expand so it could hold an army or shrink to fit in the palm of your hand. (Abenaki mythology)
* The Canoe of Māui, which became the South Island of New Zealand (Māori mythology)
* Skíðblaðnir, a boat owned by Freyr. It could hold all the Æsir and their horses yet it could fold so you could fit it in your pocket. Once the sails were lifted a steady breeze would always come (Norse Mythology)
* Naglfar, a ship made out of fingernails and toenails of the dead. It will set sail during Ragnarök. (Norse Mythology)

Chariots

* The Chariot of the Sun, the fiery chariot driven across the sky by the Greek god Helios
* The Chariot of the Sea, the oceanic chariot teamed by hippocampi and/or dolphins, driven across the sky by the Greek god Poseidon
* The Chariot of Thunder, driven across the sky by Thor and pulled by his two magic goats Tanngrisnir and Tanngnjóstr (Norse Mythology)
* The Vitthakalai a gold-decorated chariot of Kali according to Ayyavazhi mythology.
* The Chariot of Fire, of the Angels of God who descended to earth, which he used to carry several persons in the Old Testament to heaven.
* The Norse goddess of the sun Sol's chariot in the sky which is pulled by two horses Arvak and Alsvid; the bright shines of whose manes give off what is seen as the sun's light.
* The chariot of Dionysus was drawn by panthers, tigers, or centaurs.

Treasure

* The Four Treasures (also Hallows of Ireland), consisting of the Claíomh Solais and Spear Luin (see both above), the Ardagh Chalice and the Lia Fáil
* The Golden Fleece, sought by Jason and the Argonauts
* The Golden Apple of Discord In Greek myth, the Golden Apple of Discord was an apple made from pure gold and inscribed with the word "Kallisti" ("For the Fairest"). It was created by the goddess Eris as a means cause an argument among the Olympian goddesses as to who among them was prettiest (and thereby ruin a celebration to which Eris had not been invited). The ensuing argument, and later attempts to resolve it, are said to have led indirectly to the Trojan War
* The Qarun Treasure, said to belong to King Croesus of Lydia. The treasure is said to be in perpetual motion under the ground (Persian mythology)
* The Sampo, a magic mill in Finnish mythology
* The Thirteen Treasures of the Island of Britain, taken by Merlin to his cave for safekeeping until the time when they are again needed (Matter of Britain)
* The Three Sacred Treasures of Japan, consisting of the Kusanagi (see above), the jewel necklace Yasakani no magatama (八尺瓊曲玉), and the mirror Yata no kagami (八咫鏡)

Relics

* The Ark of the Covenant, a container said to house the stone tablets containing the Ten Commandments
* The Relics of Jesus
* Yata no kagami a mirror offered to the goddess of the sun, Amaterasu in Japanese mythology. One of three Sacred Imperial Relics of Japan. It represents Wisdom.
* Yasakani no magatama a bejeweled necklace of magatama's offered to Amaterasu in Japanese shinto mythology. One of three Sacred Imperial Relics of Japan. It represents benevolence.
* Cintamani Stone a stone believed to have fallen from the skies during the reign of king Lha Tototi Nyentsen in a chest with four other objects.
* The Holy Grail, the cup that Jesus of Nazareth and his disciples drank from during The Last Supper, and which was used to catch drops of his blood upon his crucifixion.
* Pandora's Box The sealed box that contained all the evils of mankind.

Divine Treasures in Heaven

* treasures owned by Buryat goddess Manzan Gurme Toodei

Books

* The Book of Thoth is a legendary book containing powerful spells and knowledge, said to have been buried with the Prince Neferkaptah in Necropolis. (Egyptian Mythology)
* The Tablets of Destiny are mentioned in Mesopotamian mythology as a set of clay tablets which hold the power of creation and destruction. The bird-man Zu (also called Anzu) stole the tablets and the gods themselves were afraid that he would use their power to turn the gods back into clay.
* The Jade Books in Heaven are described in several Daoist cosmographies.

Miscellaneous

* The Crane-Skin Bag of Cumhail is the magical bag of the Celtic hero Cumhall and his son, Fionn mac Cumhaill, which held an untold amount of enchanted weapons.
* The Cup of Jamshid is a cup of divination in the Persian mythology. It was long possessed by rulers of ancient Persia and was said to be filled with an elixir of immortality. The whole world was said to be reflected in it.
* Gleipnir is the magic chain that bound the Fenris Wolf. It was light and thin as silk but strong as creation itself and made from six wonderful ingredients (Norse mythology)
* Hliðskjálf, a high seat Odin uses to watch over all worlds. (Norse mythology)
* Maui's Fishhook, used to catch the fish that would become New Zealand's North Island; the hook was also used to create the Hawaiian islands (Polynesian mythology)
* Magic Mould, stolen from the Yellow Emperor by Yu so he could stop the flood. It would expand until you tell it to stop (Chinese Mythology)
* The Palladium was a wooden statue that fell from the sky. As long as it stayed in Troy, the city-state could not lose a war.(Greek Mythology)
* Caduceus is the winged rod of Hermes or Mercury, entwined with two serpents; originally a simple olive branch; in the hands of the god possessed of magical virtues; it is also seen as a symbol of peace. The Caduceus also became the symbol of the medical profession.
* The Thyrsus aka the Sceptre of Dionysus. The symbol of the god Dionysus, a wand tipped with a pine cone and entwined with ivy leaves Greek mythology
* The Kantele owned by "Vainamoinen" A Dulcimer made from a monstrous Pike which attacked the Sampo Questors, The Kantele could induce a deep sleep in a room full of Pohja warriors when played, but failed when one of the Questors "Lemminkainen" hummed another song too loudly wakening the sleepers. The Kantele was washed overboard in the same sorcerous tempest whipped up by Louhi. Finnish mythology
* Cadair Idris, aka The Chair of Idris the Giant. Anyone sitting on this giant sized stone chair is transformed into a poet or driven mad if there is no poetry in his soul Celtic mythology
* The Bone of Ullr - The god Ullr had a bone upon which spells were carved. (Norse mythology)
* Orichalcum is a legendary metal mentioned in several ancient writings, most notably the story of Atlantis as recounted in the Critias dialogue, recorded by Plato. According to Critias, orichalcum was considered second only to gold in value, and was found and mined in many parts of Atlantis in ancient times. By the time of Critias, however, it was known only by name.
* The Smoking Mirror, the mirror that the god Tezcatlipoca uses to see the whole cosmos.

[jaymz]

Dude spoiler is a great option for that

[LostOne]

Nice list, thanks Misfit. I was looking on wikipedia but wasn't finding that page.

[Misfit KotLD]

Dude spoiler is a great option for that

Nope.

[The Baron of chaos]

Ya know this list of weapon could be useful not just for nightbane, but again this is true for most Nightbane material(and most SDC Palladium games...is odd but try to look at the various SDC sourcebook and the MDC ones, SDC sourcebook as very universal and completely compatible, included setting note and plots...is weird)

[Gangrel44]

Let's not for get the Harpe...the sword Perseus used to decapitate Medusa with and Gael Bolga the spear that Cu Cullain used in Celtic Mythology

[csbioborg]

the spear loginus used to slay christ while he was on the cross

[Misfit KotLD]

the spear loginus used to slay christ while he was on the cross

Take a read at what I posted.

[Nekira Sudacne]

the spear loginus used to slay christ while he was on the cross

Technically, it was the spear they used to check that he was realy dead.

[csbioborg]

the spear loginus used to slay christ while he was on the cross

Technically, it was the spear they used to check that he was realy dead.

I've seen it both ways depedning on trasnlation
I prefer the cooler one

[Nekira Sudacne]

the spear loginus used to slay christ while he was on the cross

Technically, it was the spear they used to check that he was realy dead.

I've seen it both ways depedning on trasnlation
I prefer the cooler one

It's also the completely illogical one. If your going to execute someone by stabbing them with a spear, they wouldn't waste time guarding a cross for a few days while they die of exposure. Actually killing them eairly is exsactly the opposite point of Crusifixion. The Romans used it to make an exsample of people, as they died very slowly, painfully, and publically. Killing him with a spear simply wouldn't have been done, period.

[Nekira Sudacne]

Actually, the stabbing with the spear is a historically verified standard Roman practice in crucifixion. It was used to verify that the person is dead.

Since the victim was elevated, the length of the spear allowed a soldier to reach high enough to stab them.

Yes, that is what I said, it's to check that they're dead, not to kill them.

[The Dark Elf]

Not for NB but in PF I gave the players who worship the Northern Gods-

A belt of strength from the Giantess (Jotan) Grid (granted strength of Utgard Loki) that was given to Hoknar (Thor)
A hildisvin - a helmet in the shape of a boar (in honor of Epim (Freya's) boar Hildisvini) (granted Armour of Ithan)

Both from Norse mythology.

[TechnoGothic]

The Trojan Condom !
Been killing marriages ever since its invention.

[DracoMagus]

Actually, the stabbing with the spear is a historically verified standard Roman practice in crucifixion. It was used to verify that the person is dead.

Since the victim was elevated, the length of the spear allowed a soldier to reach high enough to stab them.

Yes, that is what I said, it's to check that they're dead, not to kill them.

Although by the time they got around to actually stickin the spear into the person, he was gonna be dead because one way or another anyway.

[Dolcet]

I borrowed from Mercedes Lackey to create "Need" the sword from which would not harm women & & only a woman could use.

[Misfit KotLD]

I borrowed from Mercedes Lackey to create "Need" the sword from which would not harm women & & only a woman could use.

That's an interesting idea and I like it, but anything more would take us into dangerous territory, across the conversion line.

[drewkitty ~..~]

the spear loginus used to slay christ while he was on the cross

Technically, it was the spear they used to check that he was really dead.

NS is correct.
It was also common practice for the Romans to break the leg bones of people being crucified, but since Jesus was already dead before they did that to him, they just poked the body with the spear to make sure he was really dead.
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Excalibur's Scabbard, is said to have kept the person holding it from dying from blood loss. But it was lost in a lake in the recovery of the stolen items, after Moragon stole both Excalibur and scabbard.
The following is how I translated things to the Legendary Weapon NS Feature...

Legendary Weapon (excalibur <long sword w/ sheath), does 2d6x10 damage, can be instantly summoned to hand, but when the sheath is given to another it confers the bane's regenerative ability to them ,10 sdc/hp per melee.

[csbioborg]

you guys are assuredly right
but I've read a account where even after all that time Christ was still alive
so Longinus was ordered to pierce his side to finnally end it

[Nekira Sudacne]

you guys are assuredly right
but I've read a account where even after all that time Christ was still alive
so Longinus was ordered to pierce his side to finnally end it

I'm not saying the rumor/account isn't out there. I'm saying it's utterly illogial, to Christ, to the bible, to the religion, and to roman style.

[Misfit KotLD]

you guys are assuredly right
but I've read a account where even after all that time Christ was still alive
so Longinus was ordered to pierce his side to finnally end it

I'm not saying the rumor/account isn't out there. I'm saying it's utterly illogial, to Christ, to the bible, to the religion, and to roman style.

What's logic got to do with it?

[drewkitty ~..~]

you guys are assuredly right
but I've read a account where even after all that time Christ was still alive
so Longinus was ordered to pierce his side to finally end it

Since the best accounts are 'eyewitness accounts', the bible is to be trusted in this, since it was written by eyewitnesses of this incident. That the eyewitness accounts match what archeology has told us about how romans crucified people leaves no doubt that he died there.


Misfit paraphrased TT's song lyric. The original is "What's Love Got to do with it?"

[Beatmeclever]

you guys are assuredly right
but I've read a account where even after all that time Christ was still alive
so Longinus was ordered to pierce his side to finally end it

Since the best accounts are 'eyewitness accounts', the bible is to be trusted in this, since it was written by eyewitnesses of this incident. That the eyewitness accounts match what archeology has told us about how romans crucified people leaves no doubt that he died there.


Misfit paraphrased TT's song lyric. The original is "What's Love Got to do with it?"

This might be if these accounts were really eyewitness accounts, but since they were actually written by completely different people 50 to 70 years after the events they claim to witness, the best we can call them would be hearsay and thereby inadmissible in any court.
Nonetheless, the act of stabbing a body on a cross would have been used as NS described not for the other purpose. Why kill someone you are trying to torture to death - even it has taken days for him to die? The History Channel had a very interesting show that was all about the anatomy of a crucifixion. You should all check it out.

[drewkitty ~..~]

This might be if these accounts were really eyewitness accounts, but since they were actually written by completely different people 50 to 70 years after the events they claim to witness, the best we can call them would be hearsay and thereby inadmissible in any court.
Nonetheless, the act of stabbing a body on a cross would have been used as NS described not for the other purpose. Why kill someone you are trying to torture to death - even it has taken days for him to die? The History Channel had a very interesting show that was all about the anatomy of a crucifixion. You should all check it out.

How do you know this, since you were not alive then. Or are you just spouting other people's opinions, which would put your statement in the category of 'hearsay' also.

Hearsay is not admissible in 'US courts', your stretching that to 'Any Court' is you applying your preconceptions to other people's courts. You could say that it is a form of bigotry, thinking every country's laws are just like the one you are in.
There is also the court of public opinion, where deliberate falsehoods are broadcast as fact to sway people away from the truth because the persons doing the dissemination do not want to acknowledge the truth, or hate what the truth says.
IF your secretary is taking dictation, did you write what was written or someone else?

As to the basic why christ was stabbed there is agreement between NS and me, to make sure he was dead.

As to why they wanted to make sure he was dead be for the Passover celebration that started that evening, "so the jews would not riot' would be a part of it.

[Misfit KotLD]

Nice. Got a text source for this?

[Misfit KotLD]

Cool. Thanks.

[Sir_Spirit]

Actually, the stabbing with the spear is a historically verified standard Roman practice in crucifixion. It was used to verify that the person is dead.

Since the victim was elevated, the length of the spear allowed a soldier to reach high enough to stab them.

Yes, that is what I said, it's to check that they're dead, not to kill them.

If they aren't dead it will kill them. And there is a tradition that a Roman Soldier named Longinus took pity on Christ and mercifully ended his life.

And the list is missing a couple. Moses has a staff. It could turn into a serpent and he lifted it up to part and release the Dead sea.{You could argue that "god did all that" but that's boring. Also at/as the burning bush, God did make moses put it down and then take it up.}

Then there is the rock Caine used in the first murder. Some people view murder as a violation of the natural order[see Minority Report for an example of this....] or some such thing. In the dawn of creation, perhaps it was and if so then perhaps it deformed reality a bit around the rock used to commit it. As reality deformed around it it "evolved"/deformed into a knife/dagger. OR perhaps Kaine kept it and sharpened it into a crude weapon.

Then there is Lucifer, did he have a spear? a sword of light? Perhaps it broke in battle and they some demons grab bit of it that were reforged into the Devils Trident?

Personally, I like to think that he had a spear, the bladed end broke in battle, and a demon grabbed the shaft, and took it to hell where it got remade into the trident. the Piece of the blade that broke off it was taken by the Host of heaven and used to connect the Staff of Moses with the Knife Of Kaine to create the spear Longinus used.

There are also the archangels weapons:
The Archangel Michael has the Sword of Elemental Fire.
The Archangel Gabriel has the Beryl Chalice of Elemental Water.
The Archangel Raphael has the Lightning Rod/Wand Of Elemental Air.
The Archangel Uriel has a Salt Platter* filled with Elemental Earth.
Also the Metatron was said to have a Cube, which hovered in front of his chest or hungover his shoulder.
Representatiosnof it are sued in "sacred Geometry " IRL. With Geomancers being an actually magic class in NB, perhaps it has some power.
Then there are more contemporary things like the Mace of the House of Representatives, best used in a Nightbane's or Rifts campaign IMO. Where ambient PPE and/or the breakdown in the Mirrorwall could give it some actual power.
There are also the 'Bear Sark's'magic bearskin "shirts" that coudl turn the norse fighter into a bear. These berzerkers were feared. Later disbelief reduced this to "fighting like a bear"/'summoning the rage of the bear' crap that gave us the term 'berserker'. 'Wolfsarks' might also exist.


*IF you don't know how to use a large round indestructible oject as a weapon that's your problem....