Alternate Dimensions

shiiv-a · Unread post by **shiiv-a** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:41 pm

oooo ..

nice thoughts .. now for zee twizt ....

they ARE capable of interstellar activity .. but are playing 'sheep in wolf's clothing'

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:13 pm

shiiv-a wrote:oooo ..

nice thoughts .. now for zee twizt ....

they ARE capable of interstellar activity .. but are playing 'sheep in wolf's clothing'

MMmm...alien invaders hit little backwater world without space travel? Then learn that their own homeworld has been hit, repeatedly, by massive impacts nobody saw incoming?
Make the interstellar travel capability along the lines of a magic ritual/telepoart ability...and it doesn't necessarily have to be 'here to THERE' but also 'THERE to THERE'...so Earthside industry needs nickel iron? Sure, pick a small asteroid out space that you found with a telescope and bring it down in the Great Lakes...AFTER you've bled off the relative velocity...Want to whack something hard? Don't bleed off the relative velocity....OUCH....
So far, though, they haven't been able to open up a doorway directly to a star's surface, or if they have, it's classified information...

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:55 pm

vampire_hunter_D wrote:Some of the Knights Templar get warning ahead of the Church's Purge of thier Order. They flee, using information they learned from old Norse Legends, across the Seas to Vinland. There, they establish a Templar State in North America. Over time, through contact and trade with teh Natives, tehy teach the Native American Nations metalworking, bringing up the level of technology in the New World. When Columbus arrives 150 years later, the Spanish will meet much more sophisticated opposition.

The Knights Templar......Lesson: "Don't Make Money...Don't Make Money Off the Crusades...Especially Don't Make More Money Off The Crusades Than the Pope and European Nobility"

Shorty Lickens · Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:53 pm

Alternate dimension # 4570:

A PC's dreams..........
Ideally a Crazy, but a mind-melter or something similar would do nicely as well.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:59 pm

The English Civil War went against the Parliamentarians and resulted in an escape of a major proportion of their leadership and followers to the American colonies, resulting in a divided North America, as the Royalists and Paraliamentarians continue to duke it out in parallel colonies....Oliver Cromwell comes to North America with a new cadre of Roundhead troops and an agenda, and the American frontier runs hot with English fighting...

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:11 am

Here a few ideas

1)In 2009 a Portal is open to a parallel earth of 1929,What do you think will be the reaction?

Do you think the Two US would be deals?

2)In 1980 A Meteor shower hits the New England and a bit of Quebec,Children under of 13 in the area will go on to manifesed super-human powers,How would the world react?

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:25 pm

50 years ago, astronomers discovered MASSIVE changes in the atmospheres of Venus and Mars....
Then, overnight, Humanity found itself abruptly uprooted and dumped...elsewhere...
Our houses, and whatever of our infrastructure could be quickly and rudely scrapped up and simply dumped on another world....
The loss of life was immense, due to panic, confusion, a breakdown of the logistics of modern civilization....by the time order was re-established, we were able to figure out where we were...
Humanity had been evicted, and forcibly relocated to a terraformed Mars and Venus...except both worlds were barely habitable...Venus had scorching summers, marginally polluted air, and limited water...Mars was cold and had thin air...a lot of people died of respiratory problems in those early days...Neither world had wood or coal or oil, or any of the traditional resources we were used to...Somebody had thoughtfully provided a few alien plants...like the lettuce and straw you put in a hamster's cage...but our societies were going to have to do without a lot of things until we could grow forests and find substitutes...
Once we'd gotten radio going again, we could compare notes with the other planet, and share our misery...and realize that NOBODY was talking from Earth...
Both worlds could see it up there, and once we got what telescopes had been thrown down along with the rest of us, and had survived the tech-smashing of the 'crazies', we could see Earth sitting in the heavens...still blue and white and beautiful...
And out of our reach...
For now....
Some of the folks in charge figure somebody else coveted our piece of real estate and decided to take it from us...only they couldn't do so without somehow compensating us for it...But like a new landlord adhering to the letter of the law but not the spirit, they cut corners...Humanity got evicted, and dumped in the equivalent of low-income housing...And there wasn't any warning, nor anything we can do about it....
The scientists say rockets are still decades, if not centuries, off..we have to totally redevelop our technology...and there's no garaunteeing that we can reach Earth, or even take it back against whoever, or WHATever, did this...but that's all that's been on our collective consciousness for the last half-century...Getting our home back...

keir451 · Unread post by **keir451** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:04 am

Due to Rift activity Mars became habitable with a gravity of .95 g's over the next 200 plus years plant and animal life of all sorts springs up on it.

The Celts conquered all of Eurasia and never left.

The space age came early for us(1600's) as the Catholic church never arose to prominence.

The Battle of Somme Agea in France went in favor of the English and the war ended by december 1916. Resulting in no WW 2.

FDR never died in office during his third term, finished his term and Patton was elected.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:56 am

1938---Knowing the Germans are going to invade them eventually, Belgium decides to pre-emptively invade Germany...
So surprised are the Germans(so much so that Hitler chokes on his dinner when he hears the news and croaks at his schlauss table, and Goebbels has a Cheney-isc hunting accident with Goering..) that the Belgians actually WIN.

Gazirra · Unread post by **Gazirra** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:34 pm

November 12, 1955. California. Accidental time traveler Marty McFly goes on stage, and is about to play a song, but can't remember Johnny Be Good due to his nervousness.....

DhAkael · Unread post by **DhAkael** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:13 pm

Gazirra wrote:November 12, 1955. California. Accidental time traveler Marty McFly goes on stage, and is about to play a song, but can't remember Johnny Be Good due to his nervousness.....

Not exactly relevent to Rifts, but still dang funny

So lemme guess, he ends up playing Stairway to heaven or Smoke on the water :angel:

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:17 pm

Three Mile Island spawns a school of American Kaiju....
"Skunkzilla: Made in the U.S.A."

Gazirra · Unread post by **Gazirra** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:18 pm

DhAkael wrote:
Gazirra wrote:November 12, 1955. California. Accidental time traveler Marty McFly goes on stage, and is about to play a song, but can't remember Johnny Be Good due to his nervousness.....

Not exactly relevent to Rifts, but still dang funny
So lemme guess, he ends up playing Stairway to heaven or Smoke on the water

Worse.. something along the lines of "Staying Alive" maybe lmao

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:21 pm

Gazirra wrote:
DhAkael wrote:
Gazirra wrote:November 12, 1955. California. Accidental time traveler Marty McFly goes on stage, and is about to play a song, but can't remember Johnny Be Good due to his nervousness.....

Not exactly relevent to Rifts, but still dang funny
So lemme guess, he ends up playing Stairway to heaven or Smoke on the water

Worse.. something along the lines of "Staying Alive" maybe lmao

....

....Somethings just should not be...

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:06 pm

in 2009 a space ship make contact it from the CCW.
Every thing from the Phase world books are right.

What do you think would happed?

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:28 pm

gaby wrote:in 2009 a space ship make contact it from the CCW.
Every thing from the Phase world books are right.

What do you think would happed?

The entire staff of Palladium Books gets whisked by government agents into custody...after a humiliatingly thorough physical exam and quarantine at the biological laboratories on Fisher's Island to make sure they aren't aliens or have been in contact with aliens, they're trucked off to a remote think tank/gulag and squeezed for everything they know....In a strangely ironic mirror of Palladium policy, everything they say gets classified by the government and locked away as 'national security property'....To save his sanity, Kevin draws out giving away information..."I'll have something for you next week...maybe....it's not definite....I have to reread my notes..." in exchange for privileges and access to the internet...

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:26 pm

here idea current day garmany is replace by germany of 1939.

what do you think would happed?

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:33 pm

On two occasions, Nazi Germany could have had the jet fighter operational as a weapons system EARLY....when the HE178 debuted in 1939(the Luftwaffe didn't want to develop any programs that wouldn't yield a working weapons system before 1942, when they expected the war would be over already), and later, when Heinkel offered the simpler and more robuts, if more conventional, He280 turbojet fighter in 1940 (the Luftwaffe decided to run with the more sophisticated Me262, in part due to their distrust of the He280's twin tail))...What if the Luftwaffe HAD decided to develop these jets into full blown weapons systems?

Or...what if...Heinkel engineers with anti-Nazi sentiments had managed to smuggle out their plans(or even examples of the aircraft) to the Western Allies in 1939-1940, convinced the Allied Air Command to take them seriously, combining their expertise with the British Whittle and getting the cooperation of American industry?

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:44 pm

All of current day Asia East of Afghanistan is replace by 1909 Asia.

What do you think would happed?

What reaction do you see to it?

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:53 pm

gaby wrote:All of current day Asia East of Afghanistan is replace by 1909 Asia.

What do you think would happed?

What reaction do you see to it?

WITH the French, Dutch, and British colonial forces still there?!
Whow...The Russians would make a MAJOR effort to make nice to the Chinese and become the power behind the Chinese economy before somebody figured on doing the opposite(and started by whacking Mao)...Meanwhile, the American economy would tank, considering all the investment made in Chinese industry...and the Chinese loans made to the USA....
And this time around, Ghandi gets a SERIOUS bodyguard....

glitterboy2098 · Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:19 pm

how about:
around the eleventh century, the with the norse kings converting to christianity and forcing their people to do the same, a settler from greenland visits scandinavia, resulting in knowledge of Vinland making its way into the norse population proper. seeing this new world as a place of refuge for the old ways, a great many traditionalists "go a viking", making their way across the north atlantic via iceland and greenland to Vinland. as the vinland settlement is far too small to support them all, they begin moving south along the coast, raiding "skraeling" (indian) communities, founding new settlements, and enslaving the locals. the pressures of living in the new world, combined with the lure of their own landholds, encourage raiding parties ot continue expanding. this influx of europeans expose the native populations to sicknesses, causing a massive depopulation. but the situation stabilizes and by the 12th century most of the eastern tribes have begun to grow again. the enslaved locals help the norse construct sizeable kingdoms, which war with each other, the locals, and continue ot send out expiditions of raiding and conquest, particularly to the south through the [gulf of mexico], [carribean], and into [south america]
the scene now is 1492. Christopher columbus, seeking a westward route to asia (and disbeleiving the tall tales of viking kingdoms in an unknown land), stumbles over the Norse kingdoms of the Carribean, and their war with the Aztec Empire....

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:46 pm

...and with intermarriage and cultural cross-pollination? Norse-Indian berserkers? NOt to mention religious cross-pollination(Amerindian Trickster spirits being associated with the more malicious trickery of Loki? Coyote +/= Fenris the Wolf?) ....Whow... :shock:

glitterboy2098 · Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:37 pm

that was an outgrowth of a question a mailing list friend of mine posed once. he was trying to work out the effects on history had the native americans not suffered massive depopulation with the european contact in the 15th century and beyond.

i pointed out that for that scenario to work, barring magic or other acts of writer fiat, they'd have to have been exposed much earlier, giving them time to gain immunities and repopulate. i suggested that increased interactions via vinland as a possible vector...he thought of the whole "vinland as a refuge for dissident vikings" angle, and we both wound up thinking of the effects of that. utterly useless for his purpose, but a fun invention..

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:21 pm

hmmm...what alcoholic traditions would the Vikings have brought with them?
Meade for certain...

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:16 am

current day Israel is téléported to 1909.

What do you think the Israeli will do?

I think they will sell ther high-tech knowledge to the US,UK and other Countries that become more Pro-Israel,the will also tell them all the things Muslims will do in the future.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:18 pm

gaby wrote:current day Israel is téléported to 1909.

What do you think the Israeli will do?

I think they will sell ther high-tech knowledge to the US,UK and other Countries that become more Pro-Israel,the will also tell them all the things Muslims will do in the future.

You forgot:
1) MOSSAD systematically hunts down a select list of families in Prussia-Austria-Hungary and kills them all...

The Dark Elf · Unread post by **The Dark Elf** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:23 pm

Supernanny gets teleported 2000 years into the past and Jesus is put on the "naughty step" instead of being crucified.

Its the end of hot cross buns! :badbad:

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:55 pm

Stalin gets a gift from the future....television technology! He promptly uses this mind-controlling, mind-numbing media to bedazzle and drug his population with mindless reality programs and bread-and-circus entertainments (The KGBChannel's 'Find the Traitor!' and 'The Interrogation' being among the most popular shows among viewers)...

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:23 pm

Indeed....Tolkeen/CS/FoM super-union?
Toss in Mad Haven playing 'Switzerland' as the banking hub of NOrth America....
I wanna see Ape-men New Yorkers as THE lords of a New Wall Street...

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:32 am

The Israel of 1990 exchange places with the Israel of 2010.

How do you think this would changed the 1990,s world?

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:47 pm

Darkorinth wrote:A very interesting short story I read was "Thor vs Captain America". It is an alternate history where the Nazi created the concentration camps in order to provide energy for necromancy. They used the power of the thousands of deaths to create the gods from Norse Mythology. At that point they started winning.

Author was David Brin...shows up in his 'River of Time' collection...It was made into a graphic novel: 'Death Eaters'...The same collection showcased a future solar system divided between ultra-evolved AIs and the 'obsolete' humans, an Earth where time begins moving differently for different people(the title story), another where advances in biotech have led to a new take on prostitution...where women grow biotech products in their wombs, and motherhood requires exhaustive preparatory courses and licensing, and another where Humanity gets culture-shocked by a superior alien civilization that shows up and shows up our place...and the way we humbled humans retain our dignity.... :wink:

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 2:42 pm

I stand corrected...some of the above stories I cited were in the 'Otherness' collection...
Still, Brin's one of the top sci-fi writers IMHO...I loved his 'Earth'(Nuke war on Switzerland? Space Shuttle resurrection? Yeah!) and even 'Kiln People' was amusing...

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:18 am

What would happed in all the states of the Union and Border states of May 20,1861 exchanged with ther land counterpart of 1761.
What do you think would happed?

How would Europe react?

What do you think are the advantages the US have?

I say again only the Loyal and border states get exchanged,the CSA,s states and the Territories do not.

Tell me what you think?

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:41 pm

In 1945, the American military was able to duplicate German V-1s and, together with Britain, were ready to manufacture their own versions(called the 'Loon') in mass-production lots for ship and submarine launch against Japan, as part of the softening up of the Home Islands in preparation for invasion...The atomic bomb cut that idea short...
But what IF the Bomb had hit snags, or political pressure had forced the military to go more conventional, and a protracted long distance war of bombardment had replaced atomic bombing and a conventional invasion?

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:19 pm

the entire Popublation of africa in 2010 are replaces by the Races of World of Warcarft.
The Bigest City of each race have also been téléport in.

How do you think would the world reacted?

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:14 pm

gaby wrote:the entire Popublation of africa in 2010 are replaces by the Races of World of Warcarft.
The Bigest City of each race have also been téléport in.

How do you think would the world reacted?

Don't know enough about Warcraft to know for certain...
You may as well substitute any of the PFRPG nations or races, or Middle Earth for that matter...(in which case, 'The Dark Heart of Africa' takes on a new meaning, if you have Mordor right in the middle....)

DhAkael · Unread post by **DhAkael** » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:07 pm

taalismn wrote:...or Middle Earth for that matter...(in which case, 'The Dark Heart of Africa' takes on a new meaning, if you have Mordor right in the middle....)

Actualy did that with Rifts England ;-)

Though no Mount Doom stuff...but yeah, an area completely given over to dark forces and ebil.
Sorta like Rifts china, but not

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:31 am

vampire_hunter_D wrote:
taalismn wrote:In 1945, the American military was able to duplicate German V-1s and, together with Britain, were ready to manufacture their own versions(called the 'Loon') in mass-production lots for ship and submarine launch against Japan, as part of the softening up of the Home Islands in preparation for invasion...The atomic bomb cut that idea short...
But what IF the Bomb had hit snags, or political pressure had forced the military to go more conventional, and a protracted long distance war of bombardment had replaced atomic bombing and a conventional invasion?

We were going ot do something like this. We did in fact capture the V1, and were getting ready to use it as a ship-launched weapon system against Japan during the Invasion.

Turned out to be unnecessary. so we scrapped it after teh surrender.

Norman Polmar and K.J. Moore's book -Cold War Submarines' deals with early cruise missile submarines and the proposed 'Loon' bombardment...also with the Japanese aircraft-carrying subs...Frustratingly enough, we actually had a few captured at the end of the war, but they were scrapped soon afterwards...Damn, if one of those had survived, it would have made an excellent museum piece...

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:11 am

january 10 2010 a Gateway apper in middle of the Bermuda triangle that go to a Parallel earth of 1960,changing any thing on that earth will not have any effect on ours.
the differences in the timeline is Nixon is president, Eisenhower dies in december just a few weeks ago.
Both U.S try ther Best to keep it secret.

How do you see the two U.S reacted to each other?

Will they make a deal?

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:49 am

gaby wrote:january 10 2010 a Gateway apper in middle of the Bermuda triangle that go to a Parallel earth of 1960,changing any thing on that earth will not have any effect on ours.
the differences in the timeline is Nixon is president, Eisenhower dies in december just a few weeks ago.
Both U.S try ther Best to keep it secret.

How do you see the two U.S reacted to each other?

Will they make a deal?

Possibly, but since both nations have effectively the same resources/resource problems, and same foreign issues, trade is unlikely(there might some temptation to cue the 1060's Earth to avoid some political pratfalls, and pursue some technologies), and military intervention would be problematic....
There would be alot of controversy between trying to 'win' certain wars and situations, and avoiding them altogether on the 2010 side, while the 1960s folk might be leary of depending too much on information from another time line...
After all, you may take solice that the Cold War doesn't end in the nuclear extinction of all Human life, but what if it was the very arms race that led to the Soviets bankrupting themselves? How much can you trust the outcome of events if there's already a change to begin with? Or are some events inevitable and independent of who's President...
In the end, though, there might be more screwups than successes, as the wrong information gets passed over and misinterpreted, either accidentally, or deliberately, by various parties..."Don't let Bush/Obama into politics' for example...Or "Take the oil fields now"...
And there would be the temptation on the part of individuals to tell their past selves tidbits like 'Jump on this Internet technology NOW and you'll make MILLIONS later."

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:10 am

I think the 1960 US will sell,resources in exchange for 2010,tech.

Tell me what you see happed.

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:35 am

Current day New England get Exchange with the New England of 1980.

How would both side react?

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:33 pm

Darkorinth wrote:The coming of Rifts happens in 2010. (This was actually a game I was playing in at one point.)

To qoute The Last Starfighter:

"We Die."

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:45 pm

Darkorinth wrote:
taalismn wrote:
Darkorinth wrote:The coming of Rifts happens in 2010. (This was actually a game I was playing in at one point.)

To qoute The Last Starfighter:

"We Die."

Yeah, there was a LOT of that.

What percentage of PC quick-kill did you get? :twisted:

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:29 pm

Ouch......I gotta remember that as a Divine Torture for a vampire.... :twisted:

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:20 pm

In 2010 a second england appear in the Pacific,this England is from 1940.

How will they react to the Current world and ther Counterpart?

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:44 pm

gaby wrote:In 2010 a second england appear in the Pacific,this England is from 1940.

How will they react to the Current world and ther Counterpart?

2010 England IMMEDIATELY cracks down on the Skinheads(no Nazi symps, please).
Massive problems break out as modern day England is much less self-sufficient than 1940s England(which is barely hanging on as is with the U-BOat campaign wrecking shipping).

They would also immediately have to prevail on the American Navy to ship supplies to them...On the other hand, they'll have some opportunity(as the Japanese will not yet be able to hit them, unlike the situation if 2010 England had appeared NEXT to 1940 England in the Atlantic), so they'll have time to secure their borders and rebuild their Homeguard defenses.
On the other hand, they'd be able to nuke targets NOW, with their jet aircraft and any SSBNs that were in port at the time of the transition---whether they would, or would settle for just accurately bombing the hell out of the Japanese high command and the Furherbunker, remains to be seen.

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:50 pm

the téléporting happed before the Battle of Britain, it will be places between Alaska and the Hawaiian islands,it will be conservative some time and will not accept immigrants.

May try to get Canada to join it.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:43 pm

gaby wrote:the téléporting happed before the Battle of Britain, it will be places between Alaska and the Hawaiian islands,it will be conservative some time and will not accept immigrants.

May try to get Canada to join it.

The Japanese would try to bomb it...they would already invade the Aleutians later, assuming that's where the Doolittle Raid had come from.
Of course, if the New British Navy/Royal Air Force prevented the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in the FDIRST place...

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:42 pm

In 1996 All G7 Nations get téléport to a earth devoid of human,raplacing ther Equivalents lands.

How will they react? What lands to each Nation claim?

How will Ethinc groups react?

How will Religion group react?