Are there any canon examples of a good witch?
(Aside from The Wizard of Oz!
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Hotrod wrote:I haven't noticed saints getting the bad end of the bargain at all. Sure, a lot of them die in pain and poverty. A lot of jerks die in agony, betrayal, and humiliation, often taking their own lives rather than having to face the consequences of what they've done.
There is a Good Witch in the "preamble" leading up to the Deevil/Demon War.Mack wrote:I was thinking about the Witch OCC, and wondering why does the pact have to be with an evil being? What if the pact was with a good entity? Might be a nice twist to have a selfish character bind himself to a being of light, and be pushed into taking the high road.
Are there any canon examples of a good witch?
(Aside from The Wizard of Oz!)
Subjugator wrote:I got my first job at age 12 (maybe 11, but I think 12) and worked more or less continuously until today. I had to so I could eat properly. Doing so as a kid detracted from my educational experience, which was bad enough to begin with . . .
Gingrich is wrong.
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Shinitenshi wrote:Saitou Hajime wrote:I look at this way, good Witches are either Shifters with that boon or effectively Priests of Light but their understanding is different.
Witch in a Wiccan sense would be some form of Priest of Light ore simple Lay worshiper.
Not true, Witches and Wiccans are not always one and the same. I wouldn't consider a Witch a priest of light either.
Mack wrote:Are there any canon examples of a good witch?
(Aside from The Wizard of Oz!)
cornholioprime wrote:A good Summoner got in contact with, and made a Witch Pact with, none other than Thoth himself, and is currently providing intel on various aspects and places in the Minion War at Thoth's behest (even going to Hades or Dyval at some point and almost paying for it with his life -I forget which).
I'm not quite sure what you mean......but the Text says that he was granted a Boon by Thoth.The Beast wrote:cornholioprime wrote:A good Summoner got in contact with, and made a Witch Pact with, none other than Thoth himself, and is currently providing intel on various aspects and places in the Minion War at Thoth's behest (even going to Hades or Dyval at some point and almost paying for it with his life -I forget which).
I took that to mean he took the Shifter pact.
cornholioprime wrote:I'm not quite sure what you mean......but the Text says that he was granted a Boon by Thoth.The Beast wrote:cornholioprime wrote:A good Summoner got in contact with, and made a Witch Pact with, none other than Thoth himself, and is currently providing intel on various aspects and places in the Minion War at Thoth's behest (even going to Hades or Dyval at some point and almost paying for it with his life -I forget which).
I took that to mean he took the Shifter pact.
(Guess that I'm going to have to bone up on my differences between Shifter's Boon and Witch's Pact; I thought that they essentially did the same thing..)
Ninjabunny wrote:Emperor Ryu wrote:I like the idea of a bunch of good aligning witches, fighting for humanity to regain the world.
Why would they fight for humanity alone? Good Witches would most likely fight for all life on the planet.
Mack wrote:I was thinking about the Witch OCC, and wondering why does the pact have to be with an evil being? What if the pact was with a good entity? Might be a nice twist to have a selfish character bind himself to a being of light, and be pushed into taking the high road.
Are there any canon examples of a good witch?
(Aside from The Wizard of Oz!)
Mack wrote:Shinitenshi wrote:Saitou Hajime wrote:I look at this way, good Witches are either Shifters with that boon or effectively Priests of Light but their understanding is different.
Witch in a Wiccan sense would be some form of Priest of Light ore simple Lay worshiper.
Not true, Witches and Wiccans are not always one and the same. I wouldn't consider a Witch a priest of light either.
For the sake of this thread, let's define Witches according to Conversion Book 1, and leave other types (and Wiccans) out of it.
csbioborg wrote:Yes I regaining the land that has been stolen from you
such an evil cause
Mack wrote:Are there any canon examples of a good witch?
(Aside from The Wizard of Oz!)
Shinitenshi wrote:Emperor Ryu wrote:bradshaw wrote:Not Palladium cannon either but wouldn't a good witch be like a Harry Potter that Gives some of his P.P.E. to some being of light?
The Pact of Selflessness
The Pact of Defenses
The Pact of Elegance
That's similar to my thoughts as well. It sort of reminded me of the t.v. series Charmed.
Which is about as accurate of a representation of a witch as Harry Potter and The Wizard of Oz are.
Emperor Ryu wrote:Zer0 Kay wrote:How would Oz be a canon example in Rifts?
I believe Mack is excluding any movie references for this topic.
Shinitenshi wrote:Saitou Hajime wrote:I look at this way, good Witches are either Shifters with that boon or effectively Priests of Light but their understanding is different.
Witch in a Wiccan sense would be some form of Priest of Light ore simple Lay worshiper.
Not true, Witches and Wiccans are not always one and the same. I wouldn't consider a Witch a priest of light either.
Subjugator wrote:I got my first job at age 12 (maybe 11, but I think 12) and worked more or less continuously until today. I had to so I could eat properly. Doing so as a kid detracted from my educational experience, which was bad enough to begin with . . .
Gingrich is wrong.
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Shinitenshi wrote:Saitou Hajime wrote:Shinitenshi wrote:Saitou Hajime wrote:I look at this way, good Witches are either Shifters with that boon or effectively Priests of Light but their understanding is different.
Witch in a Wiccan sense would be some form of Priest of Light ore simple Lay worshiper.
Not true, Witches and Wiccans are not always one and the same. I wouldn't consider a Witch a priest of light either.
Sorry but read what I wrote, it make perfect sense in the context written.
I am reading what you wrote and I guess I am not understanding what you mean. Wiccans are Wiccans not Witches so I don't understand what you mean by Witch in a Wiccan sense.
Subjugator wrote:I got my first job at age 12 (maybe 11, but I think 12) and worked more or less continuously until today. I had to so I could eat properly. Doing so as a kid detracted from my educational experience, which was bad enough to begin with . . .
Gingrich is wrong.
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Shinitenshi wrote:Saitou Hajime wrote:Shinitenshi wrote:Saitou Hajime wrote:Shinitenshi wrote:
Saitou Hajime Wrote: I look at this way, good Witches are either Shifters with that boon or effectively Priests of Light but their understanding is different.
Witch in a Wiccan sense would be some form of Priest of Light ore simple Lay worshiper. (End of Saitou Hajima's Writing)
Not true, Witches and Wiccans are not always one and the same. I wouldn't consider a Witch a priest of light either.
Sorry but read what I wrote, it make perfect sense in the context written.
I am reading what you wrote and I guess I am not understanding what you mean. Wiccans are Wiccans not Witches so I don't understand what you mean by Witch in a Wiccan sense.
Ok let me Rephase in the Wiccans I have known in my life and their rather large groups of friends who have used Witch to Identify themselves, they would be more like Priestess/priests of light.
Alright, it just seemed strange to me. Lumping Witches in with Wiccans to me is like saying Protestants and Catholics are the same. Most of the Wiccans I know do not call themselves Witches since they are not the same thing, so that is why I was confused.
Chicago Broadcast, 12 DEC 2098, M.P.: wrote:We are the People of Earth. Those Things are not of Earth. Our path is clear and simple. We belong here, they do not. I, for one, will do everything in my power to close the Gates so we can send those things back to whatever Hell they came from!! NOW, WHO IS WITH ME!!!
Shinitenshi wrote:Nadrakas wrote:
(Sigh...)...
Sorry for the "slight diversion" here:
Touching on Wicca real quick: We Wiccan's are not a Centralized, Monalithic, Organized Religion. Some are Solitaires, or practice in small Circles or even in large Circles. We follow the Path that is revealed to us by the "God & Goddess" (Some call the Godd & Goddess by different names: Osiris/Isis, Zeus/Hera, Sky/Earth, etc.). Some call ourselves Wiccans, Witches, Druids, Shamans, or whatever feels right. Please, please, please don't try to cookie cutter us. And please, can we leave Real Religions (Christian, Jewish, Islam, Wiccan or any other) out of this. For reference I have included the following links on Wiccans & Pagans in the Military (The Military has officially recognized Wiccans, Druids & several other "Pagan" religions. Unfortunately the "Handbook" has been pulled from the Web and is no longer openly available. The Military has finally locked down their Web Sites):
1. Lots of still current info, despite referencing a 1990 document. I don't think the address mentioned is a valid one though: At least none of the Wiccans in the Military that I know had anything to do with them. (shrug): http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_usbk.htm
2. A 5-page article: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5686682/wicca_for_army_chaplains.html
3. Military Pagan Network, Inc. - Just what it says: http://www.milpagan.org/index.html
I'll step down from my Oak Stump now. Thank you for "listening."
And before this thread get's moded...onwards...
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Now, back to the Real reason for this thread: A Good Witch in Palladium/Rifts -- I don't see a reason why there can't be a "Good" Witch. As Ninjabunny pointed out, in the Conversion Book 1 (p. 55), "1. A direct link and willing allegiance to the supernatural (often evil)." It's "often evil"...not always. Unfortunately, what muddies the waters is the second element, "2. Empowerment by that supernatural evil." I would say that due to the "often evil" comment in #1, that the "evil" comment in #2 is trumped.
Some of the Gifts might be different. Demon Familiar would become something more appropriate to the Supernatural Entity the White Witch is bonding with. There wouldn't be Blood Sacrifices for Minor Pacts nor other "Evil" acts required. It would require some reworking, but I think it would be worth it to include in the game. Now, would most people know the difference between a "Bad" & "Good" Witch? Probably not, and that is where good Roleplayng comes in. More than most, the "Good" Witch has to lead by example, despite the trials of life. And this is where Really Good Roleplaying opportunities come in.
~ N
Just to touch on what you said though, not all Witches are Wiccan. This was the point I was trying to make to the poster.
Shinitenshi wrote:I do agree with what you said on "Good" Witches in game, especially the part about people not being able to tell the difference.
Chicago Broadcast, 12 DEC 2098, M.P.: wrote:We are the People of Earth. Those Things are not of Earth. Our path is clear and simple. We belong here, they do not. I, for one, will do everything in my power to close the Gates so we can send those things back to whatever Hell they came from!! NOW, WHO IS WITH ME!!!
Shinitenshi wrote:Lumping Witches in with Wiccans to me is like saying Protestants and Catholics are the same.
Most of the Wiccans I know do not call themselves Witches since they are not the same thing, so that is why I was confused.
Shinitenshi wrote:I wasn't complaining that Pally Witches weren't like Wiccans I never said they are.
I was just clarifying that not all Witches are Wiccan, which had nothing to do with Pally Witches. Since none of this has to do with the actual topic I am not even going to point out all the things that are so very wrong about your explanation of Wicca and Witches.
Saitou Hajime wrote:Shinitenshi wrote:Saitou Hajime wrote:Shinitenshi wrote:Saitou Hajime wrote:I look at this way, good Witches are either Shifters with that boon or effectively Priests of Light but their understanding is different.
Witch in a Wiccan sense would be some form of Priest of Light ore simple Lay worshiper.
Not true, Witches and Wiccans are not always one and the same. I wouldn't consider a Witch a priest of light either.
Sorry but read what I wrote, it make perfect sense in the context written.
I am reading what you wrote and I guess I am not understanding what you mean. Wiccans are Wiccans not Witches so I don't understand what you mean by Witch in a Wiccan sense.
Ok let me Rephase in the Wiccans I have known in my life and their rather large groups of friends who have used Witch to Identify themselves, they would be more like Priestess/priests of light.
Mack wrote:I was thinking about the Witch OCC, and wondering why does the pact have to be with an evil being? What if the pact was with a good entity? Might be a nice twist to have a selfish character bind himself to a being of light, and be pushed into taking the high road.
Are there any canon examples of a good witch?
(Aside from The Wizard of Oz!)
Zer0 Kay wrote:Ok let me Rephase in the Wiccans I have known in my life and their rather large groups of friends who have used Witch to Identify themselves, they would be more like Priestess/priests of light.
Shinitenshi wrote:Killer Cyborg wrote:Zer0 Kay wrote:Ok let me Rephase in the Wiccans I have known in my life and their rather large groups of friends who have used Witch to Identify themselves, they would be more like Priestess/priests of light.
But they are not priests of light they are closer to druids or other nature elemental worshipper.
In Rifts, the closest applicable OCC I can think of would be Mystic.
Emperor Ryu wrote:I'm really starting to seriously thinking that we should have an expansion on the Witches O.C.C., like a sourcebook, or a large section in a future Rifter issue.
Shinitenshi wrote:Nadrakas wrote:Shinitenshi wrote:Nadrakas wrote:
(Sigh...)...
Sorry for the "slight diversion" here:
Touching on Wicca real quick: We Wiccan's are not a Centralized, Monalithic, Organized Religion. Some are Solitaires, or practice in small Circles or even in large Circles. We follow the Path that is revealed to us by the "God & Goddess" (Some call the Godd & Goddess by different names: Osiris/Isis, Zeus/Hera, Sky/Earth, etc.). Some call ourselves Wiccans, Witches, Druids, Shamans, or whatever feels right. Please, please, please don't try to cookie cutter us. And please, can we leave Real Religions (Christian, Jewish, Islam, Wiccan or any other) out of this. For reference I have included the following links on Wiccans & Pagans in the Military (The Military has officially recognized Wiccans, Druids & several other "Pagan" religions. Unfortunately the "Handbook" has been pulled from the Web and is no longer openly available. The Military has finally locked down their Web Sites):
1. Lots of still current info, despite referencing a 1990 document. I don't think the address mentioned is a valid one though: At least none of the Wiccans in the Military that I know had anything to do with them. (shrug): http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_usbk.htm
2. A 5-page article: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5686682/wicca_for_army_chaplains.html
3. Military Pagan Network, Inc. - Just what it says: http://www.milpagan.org/index.html
I'll step down from my Oak Stump now. Thank you for "listening."
And before this thread get's moded...onwards...
______________________________________________________
Now, back to the Real reason for this thread: A Good Witch in Palladium/Rifts -- I don't see a reason why there can't be a "Good" Witch. As Ninjabunny pointed out, in the Conversion Book 1 (p. 55), "1. A direct link and willing allegiance to the supernatural (often evil)." It's "often evil"...not always. Unfortunately, what muddies the waters is the second element, "2. Empowerment by that supernatural evil." I would say that due to the "often evil" comment in #1, that the "evil" comment in #2 is trumped.
Some of the Gifts might be different. Demon Familiar would become something more appropriate to the Supernatural Entity the White Witch is bonding with. There wouldn't be Blood Sacrifices for Minor Pacts nor other "Evil" acts required. It would require some reworking, but I think it would be worth it to include in the game. Now, would most people know the difference between a "Bad" & "Good" Witch? Probably not, and that is where good Roleplayng comes in. More than most, the "Good" Witch has to lead by example, despite the trials of life. And this is where Really Good Roleplaying opportunities come in.
~ N
Just to touch on what you said though, not all Witches are Wiccan. This was the point I was trying to make to the poster.
(Shrug) I've met both. Some Witches are Wiccans, some Witches aren't Wiccans, some Wiccans are Witches and some Wiccans aren't Witches. It can get confusing, can't it.Shinitenshi wrote:I do agree with what you said on "Good" Witches in game, especially the part about people not being able to tell the difference.
Of course. A similar "discussion" used to go on about "Paladins" in the "other game": Can they be Good?
~ N
I thought Paladins were good?
Killer Cyborg wrote:Shinitenshi wrote:I wasn't complaining that Pally Witches weren't like Wiccans I never said they are.
Oh, I never said that you did say that, and I never thought it either.I was just clarifying that not all Witches are Wiccan, which had nothing to do with Pally Witches. Since none of this has to do with the actual topic I am not even going to point out all the things that are so very wrong about your explanation of Wicca and Witches.
Feel free to PM me if you think I was wrong about any of it, and/or wish to discuss the matter any further.
Shinitenshi wrote:Nadrakas wrote:Shinitenshi wrote:Nadrakas wrote:
(Sigh...)...
Sorry for the "slight diversion" here:
Touching on Wicca real quick: We Wiccan's are not a Centralized, Monalithic, Organized Religion. Some are Solitaires, or practice in small Circles or even in large Circles. We follow the Path that is revealed to us by the "God & Goddess" (Some call the Godd & Goddess by different names: Osiris/Isis, Zeus/Hera, Sky/Earth, etc.). Some call ourselves Wiccans, Witches, Druids, Shamans, or whatever feels right. Please, please, please don't try to cookie cutter us. And please, can we leave Real Religions (Christian, Jewish, Islam, Wiccan or any other) out of this. For reference I have included the following links on Wiccans & Pagans in the Military (The Military has officially recognized Wiccans, Druids & several other "Pagan" religions. Unfortunately the "Handbook" has been pulled from the Web and is no longer openly available. The Military has finally locked down their Web Sites):
1. Lots of still current info, despite referencing a 1990 document. I don't think the address mentioned is a valid one though: At least none of the Wiccans in the Military that I know had anything to do with them. (shrug): http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_usbk.htm
2. A 5-page article: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5686682/wicca_for_army_chaplains.html
3. Military Pagan Network, Inc. - Just what it says: http://www.milpagan.org/index.html
I'll step down from my Oak Stump now. Thank you for "listening."
And before this thread get's moded...onwards...
______________________________________________________
Now, back to the Real reason for this thread: A Good Witch in Palladium/Rifts -- I don't see a reason why there can't be a "Good" Witch. As Ninjabunny pointed out, in the Conversion Book 1 (p. 55), "1. A direct link and willing allegiance to the supernatural (often evil)." It's "often evil"...not always. Unfortunately, what muddies the waters is the second element, "2. Empowerment by that supernatural evil." I would say that due to the "often evil" comment in #1, that the "evil" comment in #2 is trumped.
Some of the Gifts might be different. Demon Familiar would become something more appropriate to the Supernatural Entity the White Witch is bonding with. There wouldn't be Blood Sacrifices for Minor Pacts nor other "Evil" acts required. It would require some reworking, but I think it would be worth it to include in the game. Now, would most people know the difference between a "Bad" & "Good" Witch? Probably not, and that is where good Roleplayng comes in. More than most, the "Good" Witch has to lead by example, despite the trials of life. And this is where Really Good Roleplaying opportunities come in.
~ N
Just to touch on what you said though, not all Witches are Wiccan. This was the point I was trying to make to the poster.
(Shrug) I've met both. Some Witches are Wiccans, some Witches aren't Wiccans, some Wiccans are Witches and some Wiccans aren't Witches. It can get confusing, can't it.Shinitenshi wrote:I do agree with what you said on "Good" Witches in game, especially the part about people not being able to tell the difference.
Of course. A similar "discussion" used to go on about "Paladins" in the "other game": Can they be Good?
~ N
I thought Paladins were good?
Chicago Broadcast, 12 DEC 2098, M.P.: wrote:We are the People of Earth. Those Things are not of Earth. Our path is clear and simple. We belong here, they do not. I, for one, will do everything in my power to close the Gates so we can send those things back to whatever Hell they came from!! NOW, WHO IS WITH ME!!!
Zer0 Kay wrote:
Dryad is a race not a class... did you mean Druid?
Zer0 Kay wrote:
But they are not priests of light they are closer to druids or other nature elemental worshipper.
Subjugator wrote:I got my first job at age 12 (maybe 11, but I think 12) and worked more or less continuously until today. I had to so I could eat properly. Doing so as a kid detracted from my educational experience, which was bad enough to begin with . . .
Gingrich is wrong.
/Sub
Shinitenshi wrote:Emperor Ryu wrote:Nadrakas wrote:As Ninjabunny pointed out, in the Conversion Book 1 (p. 55)
Did I miss a previous thread, before I joined this forum, that covered a similar topic to this one, on playable good alignment witches, from Rifts Conversion Book 1?
Nads mis-qouted, they said Ninjabunny when it was you who who was talking about Conversion book 1.
Chicago Broadcast, 12 DEC 2098, M.P.: wrote:We are the People of Earth. Those Things are not of Earth. Our path is clear and simple. We belong here, they do not. I, for one, will do everything in my power to close the Gates so we can send those things back to whatever Hell they came from!! NOW, WHO IS WITH ME!!!
Zer0 Kay wrote:Shinitenshi wrote:Nadrakas wrote:Shinitenshi wrote:Nadrakas wrote:
(Sigh...)...
Sorry for the "slight diversion" here:
Touching on Wicca real quick: We Wiccan's are not a Centralized, Monalithic, Organized Religion. Some are Solitaires, or practice in small Circles or even in large Circles. We follow the Path that is revealed to us by the "God & Goddess" (Some call the Godd & Goddess by different names: Osiris/Isis, Zeus/Hera, Sky/Earth, etc.). Some call ourselves Wiccans, Witches, Druids, Shamans, or whatever feels right. Please, please, please don't try to cookie cutter us. And please, can we leave Real Religions (Christian, Jewish, Islam, Wiccan or any other) out of this. For reference I have included the following links on Wiccans & Pagans in the Military (The Military has officially recognized Wiccans, Druids & several other "Pagan" religions. Unfortunately the "Handbook" has been pulled from the Web and is no longer openly available. The Military has finally locked down their Web Sites):
1. Lots of still current info, despite referencing a 1990 document. I don't think the address mentioned is a valid one though: At least none of the Wiccans in the Military that I know had anything to do with them. (shrug): http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_usbk.htm
2. A 5-page article: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5686682/wicca_for_army_chaplains.html
3. Military Pagan Network, Inc. - Just what it says: http://www.milpagan.org/index.html
I'll step down from my Oak Stump now. Thank you for "listening."
And before this thread get's moded...onwards...
______________________________________________________
Now, back to the Real reason for this thread: A Good Witch in Palladium/Rifts -- I don't see a reason why there can't be a "Good" Witch. As Ninjabunny pointed out, in the Conversion Book 1 (p. 55), "1. A direct link and willing allegiance to the supernatural (often evil)." It's "often evil"...not always. Unfortunately, what muddies the waters is the second element, "2. Empowerment by that supernatural evil." I would say that due to the "often evil" comment in #1, that the "evil" comment in #2 is trumped.
Some of the Gifts might be different. Demon Familiar would become something more appropriate to the Supernatural Entity the White Witch is bonding with. There wouldn't be Blood Sacrifices for Minor Pacts nor other "Evil" acts required. It would require some reworking, but I think it would be worth it to include in the game. Now, would most people know the difference between a "Bad" & "Good" Witch? Probably not, and that is where good Roleplayng comes in. More than most, the "Good" Witch has to lead by example, despite the trials of life. And this is where Really Good Roleplaying opportunities come in.
~ N
Just to touch on what you said though, not all Witches are Wiccan. This was the point I was trying to make to the poster.
(Shrug) I've met both. Some Witches are Wiccans, some Witches aren't Wiccans, some Wiccans are Witches and some Wiccans aren't Witches. It can get confusing, can't it.Shinitenshi wrote:I do agree with what you said on "Good" Witches in game, especially the part about people not being able to tell the difference.
Of course. A similar "discussion" used to go on about "Paladins" in the "other game": Can they be Good?
~ N
I thought Paladins were good?
Paladins in the Megaverse...
Palladin O.C.C.
Alignments: A palladin can be of any alignment; good, selfish, or evil.
However, most palladins are principled, scrupulous, or aberrant
(evil, but with a code of honor).
It goes on to say that diabolic exist and are usually considered anti-paladins the write up is the same reguardless.
NOW I don't think that is what was being referred to as the other game is in quotes which would make me think they are not refering to PFRPG as the "other" but D&D which also changed their rules as all gods of all alignments may have a paladin.
Chicago Broadcast, 12 DEC 2098, M.P.: wrote:We are the People of Earth. Those Things are not of Earth. Our path is clear and simple. We belong here, they do not. I, for one, will do everything in my power to close the Gates so we can send those things back to whatever Hell they came from!! NOW, WHO IS WITH ME!!!
Emperor Ryu wrote:Nadrakas wrote:I will fall on my sword now. (Thunk...
)
*Pulls the sword from Nadrakas's body, and casts the Resurrection Spell*
Chicago Broadcast, 12 DEC 2098, M.P.: wrote:We are the People of Earth. Those Things are not of Earth. Our path is clear and simple. We belong here, they do not. I, for one, will do everything in my power to close the Gates so we can send those things back to whatever Hell they came from!! NOW, WHO IS WITH ME!!!
Shinitenshi wrote:N- No problem, I was just confused, thanks for clarifying that for me
Zero- As Shark-Force pointed out I was indeed speaking of the Dryad in WB 3.
Saitou- You can be a Druid or Nature Worshiper and still worship or recognize a God.
Subjugator wrote:I got my first job at age 12 (maybe 11, but I think 12) and worked more or less continuously until today. I had to so I could eat properly. Doing so as a kid detracted from my educational experience, which was bad enough to begin with . . .
Gingrich is wrong.
/Sub
While not saying so directly, the text of a Witch Pact strongly implies that, just as doing "evil" can strip you of your powers as a Cosmo-Knight due to the intimacy of the Link, so too can Witches who start acting "out of alignment" be stripped of their powers at a moment's notice, if not also tortured and killed for their insolence.Emperor Ryu wrote:As far as the Witch O.C.C., or any other O.C.C. and R.C.C., is described in the Rifts Conversion Book 1, as being evil aligning beings, it doesn't necessarily have to always be that way. Given that the evidence that not all witchery is based on an evil perspective. It is very viable and quite playable to have a good aligning Witch O.C.C. An alignment can change, just like Emperor Prosek. Hopefully, he can change for the better as well. After all, he is only human.
Nadrakas wrote:"Other Game" = AD&D. Obviously before 3.0, 3.5, 4.0 or any other iteration afterwards. Originally they were only allowed to be LG (Again, I originally misquoted...thwacking head against floor - bad, bad, bad Nadrakas...). An article in the Dragon Magazine gave optional rules for Paladins of other Alignments (Anti-Paladins & seven others). The new editions of D&D (3.0/3.5. I think 4.0 still does; don't know, as I don't play "Tactical Combat D&D") allow Paladins of any alignment.
As several of the posters here have expressed agreement with the idea of a Good Witch, or perhaps a "Non-Evil" Witch, how would you Stat the O.C.C. out? Would you keep the Abilities/Powers exactly the same? Or, instead, would you make them different? (Trying to get back on to Mack's original topic)
~ N