mind block vs. sixth sense

[Robroy]

Would an attacker with mind block surprise someone with sixth sense?

[Johnathan]

I would say yes just because mind block is person specific and sixth sense is situation specific.

To clarify: sixth sense is situation specific. It has absolutely nothing to do with WHO is doing WHAT. It has to do with the fact that the person who has sixth sense or someone nearby them is in immediate danger.

All mind block does is prevent an individual from being manipulated/probed/attacked by a psionic power. Empathic transmission, empathy, telepathy, mind bond, mentally possess others, etc. have no effect on someone with a mind block. However, it does absolutely NOTHING against sixth sense.

[drewkitty ~..~]

No, an attack with mind block will not stop 6th sense from going off, because the 6th sense is a pre-cog power sensing the actual lethal attack or lethal danger not the chi of the attacker preceding the attack.
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Johnathan, why did you say 'yes, there would be surprise' when you explanations support the 'no, there wouldn't be any surprise'?
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Looking at things differently...
Now if the on being attacked had his mind block up, then his 6th sense might not go off because of a lethal event.
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The older 6th sense text lent itself to many misinterpretations over the years. I'll have to say that the new text in RUE does not lend itself to being misinterpreted as much as the old text. So I guess there is something good in the RUE book other then the new spell casting rules.

An old 6th sense text argument was wether or not the attacker had to be with in the 90' range for 6th sense to be set off. Which the new text neatly sets aside due to the new wording of the text in RUE.
*catches myself from getting off topic too far*

[Nekira Sudacne]

Would an attacker with mind block surprise someone with sixth sense?

No. Mind block is very clear what powers it blocks. Any power not listed is not blocked. Sixth sense is not listed.

[Johnathan]

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Johnathan, why did you say 'yes, there would be surprise' when you explanations support the 'no, there wouldn't be any surprise'?
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Um... I'm going to chalk that up to... my retard moment for the day. We're all allowed one

[The Beast]

Only beings immune to or able to block psionics or in the case of some the cost of isp are immune to sixth sense. The invicible guardsman and the sea inquisitor are the only two I know of and not all guardsman are invulnerable to psionics.

Incorrect. Sixth Sense is activated whenever the person with it is in danger of being hurt, not when someone is thinking of hurting them. It doesn't have to be danger from someone, it's just danger in general. As long as the 90ft range and 60 seconds away requirements are met, Sixth Sense goes off.

[Killer Cyborg]

Would an attacker with mind block surprise someone with sixth sense?

No.
Just like a robot wouldn't.

[JuliusCreed]

The Mind Block power is specifically geared as a defense against Psionic probes and attacks, thus making its user impervious to the probes (ie Empathy, Telepathy etc.) as well as providing a +1 save against all forms of Psionic and Mental Attacks.
Sixth Sense is not a probe, but a minor pre-cog, giving its user a quick heads up that something is gonna happen. Nor is it an attack as it has no offensive capability.
Mind Block won't stop it/prevent it from working.

[The Beast]

Just curious. If a person has mind-block auto defence and the powere is active at the time, would the individuals 6-sense warn him of danger, or would their own mind-block auto-defence block it ?

sorry about the slight spin on teh question at hand

No, the MB would shut them out to all other psychic powers, including their own.

[Goliath Strongarm]

Just curious. If a person has mind-block auto defence and the powere is active at the time, would the individuals 6-sense warn him of danger, or would their own mind-block auto-defence block it ?

sorry about the slight spin on teh question at hand

No, the MB would shut them out to all other psychic powers, including their own.

And what makes you think that?

Seriously, how do you get that answer from any reading of the description of MB?

The REAL answer is that the MB would have NO effect on 6th sense.

Beast, you might want to consider reading abilities before answering questions about them

[Prysus]

No, the MB would shut them out to all other psychic powers, including their own.

And what makes you think that?

Seriously, how do you get that answer from any reading of the description of MB?

The REAL answer is that the MB would have NO effect on 6th sense.

Beast, you might want to consider reading abilities before answering questions about them

Greetings and Salutations. He probably thought that because he read the part where it says you can't use psionic abilities ... and he probably read enough to know Sixth Sense is a psionic ability. Did YOU read the ability before answering? If not, I'll quote the section for you ...

When intentionally closed to supernatural or psychic forces, the character cannot sense anything, cannot use psionic abilities ...

If you have a different take on "cannot use psionic abilities" I'm curious to hear your answer. Thank you for your time and patience, please have a nice day. Farewell and safe journeys for now.

[Goliath Strongarm]

No, the MB would shut them out to all other psychic powers, including their own.

And what makes you think that?

Seriously, how do you get that answer from any reading of the description of MB?

The REAL answer is that the MB would have NO effect on 6th sense.

Beast, you might want to consider reading abilities before answering questions about them

Greetings and Salutations. He probably thought that because he read the part where it says you can't use psionic abilities ... and he probably read enough to know Sixth Sense is a psionic ability. Did YOU read the ability before answering? If not, I'll quote the section for you ...

When intentionally closed to supernatural or psychic forces, the character cannot sense anything, cannot use psionic abilities ...

If you have a different take on "cannot use psionic abilities" I'm curious to hear your answer. Thank you for your time and patience, please have a nice day. Farewell and safe journeys for now.

I'm corrected.. sort of. I was reading MBAD (which is what the question was about). And reading it, you only have mention of defense against attacks.

Also, since you don't "intentionally" raise the AD version, it becomes a matter of GM interpretation on if you are "intentionally closed to supernatural or psychic forces". Personally, as a GM, I'd say that for the first round, NO, you are not "intentionally" cut off.

[jaymz]

uh guys, I understood the question as the attacker was using mind block and the defender had 6th sense....

if the attacker is using mind block it has no effect on the defenders 6th sense since mind block can only be used on yourself not against someone else and it protects you from psionic attacks while negating your own use of psionic abilities not anyone elses. The same applies to mond-block auto-defense, it is only useable on yourself.

[Goliath Strongarm]

uh guys, I understood the question as the attacker was using mind block and the defender had 6th sense....

if the attacker is using mind block it has no effect on the defenders 6th sense since mind block can only be used on yourself not against someone else and it protects you from psionic attacks while negating your own use of psionic abilities not anyone elses. The same applies to mond-block auto-defense, it is only useable on yourself.

There was a second question posed- If a person has mind-block auto defense and the power is active, would the individuals 6-sense warn him of danger, or would their own mind-block auto-defense block it ?

That's where beast's reply, and my snarky (sorry B) comment back at him, then the comment aimed back at me...

[jaymz]

uh guys, I understood the question as the attacker was using mind block and the defender had 6th sense....

if the attacker is using mind block it has no effect on the defenders 6th sense since mind block can only be used on yourself not against someone else and it protects you from psionic attacks while negating your own use of psionic abilities not anyone elses. The same applies to mond-block auto-defense, it is only useable on yourself.

There was a second question posed- If a person has mind-block auto defense and the power is active, would the individuals 6-sense warn him of danger, or would their own mind-block auto-defense block it ?

That's where beast's reply, and my snarky (sorry B) comment back at him, then the comment aimed back at me...

Since mind block auto-defense only remains active as long as hte person is being pcyhically attacked then it shouldn;t affect thier useage of 6th sense.

MBADs duration is instant unless prolonged probing/psychic attaching is done.

Now if the perons is being telepathically probed and they do not consciously drop the MBAD (which they can do), until the telepathic probes ends they cannot use said 6th sense.

[Prysus]

Ty everybody for all the feedback and thoughts.

Its seems like if someone has had their mindblock auto-defence activated (say for example they were telepathically probed), then their ability of six-sense would be negated, until they consciously lowered it. That seems like a fair interpretation ?

Greetings and Salutations. *Nods.* Yes. That's how I would interpret it, by the rules and on a personal level. Thank you for your time and patience, please have a nice day. Farewell and safe journeys for now.

[Goliath Strongarm]

Ty everybody for all the feedback and thoughts.

Its seems like if someone has had their mindblock auto-defence activated (say for example they were telepathically probed), then their ability of six-sense would be negated, until they consciously lowered it. That seems like a fair interpretation ?

Greetings and Salutations. *Nods.* Yes. That's how I would interpret it, by the rules and on a personal level. Thank you for your time and patience, please have a nice day. Farewell and safe journeys for now.

Again, that's really up to the GM. Because if the AD kicks in, then it's not "intentionally" blocking themselves from psionics/supernatural. This is one of those things thats REALLY going to be GMs decision based on his/her reading of the rules.

Like I said before- I'd give one round where no, MBAD would NOT block their 6th sense, but after that, it would. Of course, at the same time, the fact that MBAD kicks in should be a warning to the player that something's about to happen. Sure, it doesn't give the bonuses, but it's a warning.

[jaymz]

Ty everybody for all the feedback and thoughts.

Its seems like if someone has had their mindblock auto-defence activated (say for example they were telepathically probed), then their ability of six-sense would be negated, until they consciously lowered it. That seems like a fair interpretation ?

Greetings and Salutations. *Nods.* Yes. That's how I would interpret it, by the rules and on a personal level. Thank you for your time and patience, please have a nice day. Farewell and safe journeys for now.

Again, that's really up to the GM. Because if the AD kicks in, then it's not "intentionally" blocking themselves from psionics/supernatural. This is one of those things thats REALLY going to be GMs decision based on his/her reading of the rules.

Like I said before- I'd give one round where no, MBAD would NOT block their 6th sense, but after that, it would. Of course, at the same time, the fact that MBAD kicks in should be a warning to the player that something's about to happen. Sure, it doesn't give the bonuses, but it's a warning.

Actually the wording of MBAD is that it works just like a mind block thus if it does it woudl block any other psionic powers from kicking in until the MBAD is inlowered eitehr automatically (no longer being psychically attacked) or intentionally which the chacrters must consiously do.

[Goliath Strongarm]

Actually the wording of MBAD is that it works just like a mind block thus if it does it woudl block any other psionic powers from kicking in until the MBAD is inlowered eitehr automatically (no longer being psychically attacked) or intentionally which the chacrters must consiously do.

Hrmm.. rereading it now, and it does NOT state that it works just like a normal mind block. It talks about kicking in automatically if probed or attacked. It talks about alerting the PC, and how must purposely lower it to receive empathic or telepathic transmissions. Doesn't state that it acts like a normal mindblock. That's ASSUMED.

So, again, it goes into how the GM reads it- is the MBAD popping up mean the player is INTENTIONALLY CUTTING THEMSELVES OFF from SN/psionics. If so, then yes, 6S is being blocked. However, if AD is NOT "intentional", then 6S works.

Group mb DOES state that it works "just like the individual mind block power". Since MBAD doesn't have that same blurb, one can infer that it does NOT act the same. It's all in how the GM reads it.

I do think that the question is somewhat moot anyways, since once you're MBAD kicks in, it's no longer an unexpected event, so 6S wouldn't kick in anyways.