Robotech Blooper Reels

[taalismn]

It Could’ve Been Worse:
Pokeball flies across the screen:
"Breetai, I CHOOSE YOU!!!!"

[Alpha 11]

Scott:OKay,Can some one please tell me why? There are 365 pairs of shoes in my Beta?
(Every one looks at Lancer.)
Lancer:What? I need them for my shows and besides it's a weakness just like Rand's Hentai Doujin.He's got at least 20 books in his saddle bags.
Rand:I..I..do not.(Only got 10.)

It Could’ve Been Worse:
Pokeball flies across the screen:
"Breetai, I CHOOSE YOU!!!!"

[taalismn]

New Generation: The Island Resort Scene(as originally filmed)

Everybody's hanging around relaxing(though Lancer's off on his own) when Scott Bernard steps onto the sands.
He's wearing a Speedo...that's all.
Lunk and Rand stare.
Marlene, Annie, and Rook stare.
"MINE!"
Rook and Marlene immeditely pounce on Scott(Annie is ejected into the waters)
Lunk and Rand watch the insuing catfight, look at themselves...
"Ah, can we maybe have him NOT take off his flightsuit? I mean, the guy's making us look PATHETIC."

[keir451]

As Khyron crashes his ship into the SDF-1, we see Captain Gloval and the command crew on the shore.
As Cpt. Gloval thumbs the detonator for the main power core, Lisa looks at him aghast.
Gloval looks at Lisa, shrugs, & says "Ah *bleep* it, it's a rental."

[taalismn]

"That is certainly an...interesting...look."
"That it is Captain Gloval."

Captain Gloval and Commander Hayes both watched the launch of the first A.R.M.D. platform with skeptical interest. As the orbital ship took flight, four massive, chromed wheels spun, two on either side. Racing stripes, flames and logos adorned the hull and a massive spoiler stood off the stern of the vessel. As it flew off into orbit, Hayes turned to her commanding officer.

"What I really don't get is the hood scoop..."

'Shouldn't have contracted out to an L.A. drift shop...."
"Shoulda done a more thorough background check..."
"But their bid and presentation was so attractive!"
"Does that mean we have to return the welded chain controls?"

[taalismn]

"But I LOVE the killer sound system...."
"Oh come ON! It's not like we're going to run into an alien enemy who can be defeated with music!!!"

[Alpha 11]

New Generation: The Island Resort Scene(as originally filmed)

Everybody's hanging around relaxing(though Lancer's off on his own) when Scott Bernard steps onto the sands.
He's wearing a Speedo...that's all.
Lunk and Rand stare.
Marlene, Annie, and Rook stare.
"MINE!"
Rook and Marlene immeditely pounce on Scott(Annie is ejected into the waters)
Lunk and Rand watch the insuing catfight, look at themselves...
"Ah, can we maybe have him NOT take off his flightsuit? I mean, the guy's making us look PATHETIC."

As Khyron crashes his ship into the SDF-1, we see Captain Gloval and the command crew on the shore.
As Cpt. Gloval thumbs the detonator for the main power core, Lisa looks at him aghast.
Gloval looks at Lisa, shrugs, & says "Ah *bleep* it, it's a rental."

"That is certainly an...interesting...look."
"That it is Captain Gloval."

Captain Gloval and Commander Hayes both watched the launch of the first A.R.M.D. platform with skeptical interest. As the orbital ship took flight, four massive, chromed wheels spun, two on either side. Racing stripes, flames and logos adorned the hull and a massive spoiler stood off the stern of the vessel. As it flew off into orbit, Hayes turned to her commanding officer.

"What I really don't get is the hood scoop..."

"That is certainly an...interesting...look."
"That it is Captain Gloval."

Captain Gloval and Commander Hayes both watched the launch of the first A.R.M.D. platform with skeptical interest. As the orbital ship took flight, four massive, chromed wheels spun, two on either side. Racing stripes, flames and logos adorned the hull and a massive spoiler stood off the stern of the vessel. As it flew off into orbit, Hayes turned to her commanding officer.

"What I really don't get is the hood scoop..."

'Shouldn't have contracted out to an L.A. drift shop...."
"Shoulda done a more thorough background check..."
"But their bid and presentation was so attractive!"
"Does that mean we have to return the welded chain controls?"

"That is certainly an...interesting...look."
"That it is Captain Gloval."

Captain Gloval and Commander Hayes both watched the launch of the first A.R.M.D. platform with skeptical interest. As the orbital ship took flight, four massive, chromed wheels spun, two on either side. Racing stripes, flames and logos adorned the hull and a massive spoiler stood off the stern of the vessel. As it flew off into orbit, Hayes turned to her commanding officer.

"What I really don't get is the hood scoop..."

'Shouldn't have contracted out to an L.A. drift shop...."
"Shoulda done a more thorough background check..."
"But their bid and presentation was so attractive!"
"Does that mean we have to return the welded chain controls?"

"Does the damn thing really need that many fog lights and running lights?"
"Forget the lights, who was the bug-****er who put those giant coffee cans on the exhaust?"

"But I LOVE the killer sound system...."
"Oh come ON! It's not like we're going to run into an alien enemy who can be defeated with music!!!"

[taalismn]

*CLICK*
"You've been holding out on me...I don't like it when people hide things from me..."
"Okay, Annie, put the gun down...."
"Just hand over the mint candy and none of you get hurt!"
"...groan..."
"Any more. Rook, you can put a tourniquet on Rand's leg. But make any sudden moves, and I'll shoot out his OTHER kneecap!"

[Alpha 11]

*CLICK*
"You've been holding out on me...I don't like it when people hide things from me..."
"Okay, Annie, put the gun down...."
"Just hand over the mint candy and none of you get hurt!"
"...groan..."
"Any more. Rook, you can put a tourniquet on Rand's leg. But make any sudden moves, and I'll shoot out his OTHER kneecap!"

Wow.

[batlchip]

Narrator:Little did the crew know.That a small green haired child had replace Minmay's music tracks with" Disco Duck", Hanson's "Hmmm Pop",and Barney's"I love you".

[taalismn]

*WUNCH*
WHHHEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!WHHHEEEEEEEE!!!!WHHHEEEEEEEE!!!!
"DECOMPRESSION ALERT IN SECTION 4!"
"Report!"
"Ah, we had a decompression alert in Sector 4, Captain Gloval, but the airlocks sealed as per proper procedure!"
"What caused i---never mind..."
"Sir, it was a-"
"We just ejected a limousine into space, license plate S-T-A-R-O-N-E."
"How'd you know, sir?"
"Just coasted past the bridge window. Saw the license plate. What I'd like to know is who the hell gave Mister Lynn Kyle a driver's license when he clearly doesn't listen to authority of ANY type."

[Alpha 11]

"Ok, whose bright idea was it to use that particular vocal program for the Petite Cola machines?"
"I don't know. Do we even have the rights to that?"
"We do. The collapse of Paramount during the Global War saw what was left of the company selling off its rights, even a piece at a time. We got the rights to these things."
"Well, a note; we will not go forward with the proposed ad campaign then. Something crossed my desk last week including posters, television spots and radio advertising."
"Alright, yeah, nix that ****...and will someone please shut that thing up?"

Off in the corner of the conference room, a display model of the mobile Petite Cola machine was continuously spouting the slogan in a robotic voice.

"We are Petite Cola. Your thirst and brand loyalty will become our own. Resistance is futile. Prepare to be assimilated."

Narrator:Little did the crew know.That a small green haired child had replace Minmay's music tracks with" Disco Duck", Hanson's "Hmmm Pop",and Barney's"I love you".

*WUNCH*
WHHHEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!WHHHEEEEEEEE!!!!WHHHEEEEEEEE!!!!
"DECOMPRESSION ALERT IN SECTION 4!"
"Report!"
"Ah, we had a decompression alert in Sector 4, Captain Gloval, but the airlocks sealed as per proper procedure!"
"What caused i---never mind..."
"Sir, it was a-"
"We just ejected a limousine into space, license plate S-T-A-R-O-N-E."
"How'd you know, sir?"
"Just coasted past the bridge window. Saw the license plate. What I'd like to know is who the hell gave Mister Lynn Kyle a driver's license when he clearly doesn't listen to authority of ANY type."

[taalismn]

"Oh look, Kyle, we're outside the ship, last rest stop before Alpha Centuri! Nice going! 'I know what I'm doing, don't bother me about stupid government warnings! They all lie anyway!'"
"Minmei, either shut up or get out and push."

[batlchip]

"Oh look, Kyle, we're outside the ship, last rest stop before Alpha Centuri! Nice going! 'I know what I'm doing, don't bother me about stupid government warnings! They all lie anyway!'"
"Minmei, either shut up or get out and push."

So that's what happened to MinMei and Lynn Kyle after Macross.I was thinking they were killed by the lil' girl from Macross Frontier.

[Nightmask]

"Oh look, Kyle, we're outside the ship, last rest stop before Alpha Centuri! Nice going! 'I know what I'm doing, don't bother me about stupid government warnings! They all lie anyway!'"
"Minmei, either shut up or get out and push."

So that's what happened to MinMei and Lynn Kyle after Macross.I was thinking they were killed by the lil' girl from Macross Frontier.

MinMei might have been a ditz but if anyone needed tossed out an airlock it was Lynn Kyle, he actively sabotaged the RDF whenever he had the opportunity, including supporting the Zentraedi after they destroyed 98% of the surface of the planet, and couldn't comprehend that humanity including himself only survived thanks to the RDF soldiers fighting to keep them alive. He'd have gotten along great with that cult that goes around protesting military funerals.

[taalismn]

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MinMei might have been a ditz but if anyone needed tossed out an airlock it was Lynn Kyle, he actively sabotaged the RDF whenever he had the opportunity, including supporting the Zentraedi after they destroyed 98% of the surface of the planet, and couldn't comprehend that humanity including himself only survived thanks to the RDF soldiers fighting to keep them alive. He'd have gotten along great with that cult that goes around protesting military funerals.

Which is why he shows up here as a) a dunderhead being done in his own stupidity, b) a loud-mouthed loud getting his comeuppance, and c) a hypocrite being discovered and exposed(sometimes literally).
Here, he is not taken seriously, because he is going to be immediately humiliated.

[Seto Kaiba]

"Oh look, Kyle, we're outside the ship, last rest stop before Alpha Centuri! Nice going! 'I know what I'm doing, don't bother me about stupid government warnings! They all lie anyway!'"
"Minmei, either shut up or get out and push."

So that's what happened to MinMei and Lynn Kyle after Macross.I was thinking they were killed by the lil' girl from Macross Frontier.

Hehe... it's still a lot more dignified than how they actually met their ends in Robotech, and it fits Kyle perfectly. I still think the fate of his Macross equivalent, Kaifun, was an intentional dig at Robotech by Macross's creators.

[taalismn]

Rick Hunter: "Lynn Kyle---He knows kung fu."
Minmei: "No, he doesn't! That's a ballet move."
(everybody's eyes swivel her way)
Minmei: "It's true; I recognize the steps and moves. I took ballet after all. He's just going through the motions of Swan Lake."
Lisa: "But I thought he studied martial arts---"
Minmei: "No, he failed badly when he tried taking martial arts. I remember hearing the local dojo masters comparing him to a spastic ape and a wallowing cow, with no sense of timing and as much fire to him as a bucket of water! He took up ballet instead, I think because he liked the slippers. "
Thug: "You mean we just got our arses beat by a ballet pansy?!!!"
Minmei: "Well, also got to factor in the fact that many of you were blinded by rage, or were at least partially drunk....but, yes."
(Meanwhile, Kyle's trying not squirm under the sort of attention his cousin's revelations is bringing him)"...I DO too know martial arts...."

[Alpha 11]

"Oh look, Kyle, we're outside the ship, last rest stop before Alpha Centuri! Nice going! 'I know what I'm doing, don't bother me about stupid government warnings! They all lie anyway!'"
"Minmei, either shut up or get out and push."

"Oh look, Kyle, we're outside the ship, last rest stop before Alpha Centuri! Nice going! 'I know what I'm doing, don't bother me about stupid government warnings! They all lie anyway!'"
"Minmei, either shut up or get out and push."

So that's what happened to MinMei and Lynn Kyle after Macross.I was thinking they were killed by the lil' girl from Macross Frontier.

MinMei might have been a ditz but if anyone needed tossed out an airlock it was Lynn Kyle, he actively sabotaged the RDF whenever he had the opportunity, including supporting the Zentraedi after they destroyed 98% of the surface of the planet, and couldn't comprehend that humanity including himself only survived thanks to the RDF soldiers fighting to keep them alive. He'd have gotten along great with that cult that goes around protesting military funerals.

You can also say that at least Minmei got better by the end of the series.

"Oh look, Kyle, we're outside the ship, last rest stop before Alpha Centuri! Nice going! 'I know what I'm doing, don't bother me about stupid government warnings! They all lie anyway!'"
"Minmei, either shut up or get out and push."

So that's what happened to MinMei and Lynn Kyle after Macross.I was thinking they were killed by the lil' girl from Macross Frontier.

Hehe... it's still a lot more dignified than how they actually met their ends in Robotech, and it fits Kyle perfectly. I still think the fate of his Macross equivalent, Kaifun, was an intentional dig at Robotech by Macross's creators.

So what happen to him?

Rick Hunter: "Lynn Kyle---He knows kung fu."
Minmei: "No, he doesn't! That's a ballet move."
(everybody's eyes swivel her way)
Minmei: "It's true; I recognize the steps and moves. I took ballet after all. He's just going through the motions of Swan Lake."
Lisa: "But I thought he studied martial arts---"
Minmei: "No, he failed badly when he tried taking martial arts. I remember hearing the local dojo masters comparing him to a spastic ape and a wallowing cow, with no sense of timing and as much fire to him as a bucket of water! He took up ballet instead, I think because he liked the slippers. "
Thug: "You mean we just got our arses beat by a ballet pansy?!!!"
Minmei: "Well, also got to factor in the fact that many of you were blinded by rage, or were at least partially drunk....but, yes."
(Meanwhile, Kyle's trying not squirm under the sort of attention his cousin's revelations is bringing him)"...I DO too know martial arts...."

That's good!

[taalismn]

Okay, but bear in mind that the dojos that Kyle tried to enroll in were the Tendo Ryu Dojo, and the Fist of the North Star Training Academy, who have rather high standards....
"So you want to learn martial arts?"
"Yes, I want to learn!"
"Excellent! Let's see what you're made of! Stop this! SHOOTING STAR GUT-PULPER PUNNNCCCHHHHH!!!!!"
"...!..."
"....okay, that was just pathetic. Just go back on home, willya? And stop bleeding all over the sidewalk..."

[keir451]

"Ok, whose bright idea was it to use that particular vocal program for the Petite Cola machines?"
"I don't know. Do we even have the rights to that?"
"We do. The collapse of Paramount during the Global War saw what was left of the company selling off its rights, even a piece at a time. We got the rights to these things."
"Well, a note; we will not go forward with the proposed ad campaign then. Something crossed my desk last week including posters, television spots and radio advertising."
"Alright, yeah, nix that ****...and will someone please shut that thing up?"

Off in the corner of the conference room, a display model of the mobile Petite Cola machine was continuously spouting the slogan in a robotic voice.

"We are Petite Cola. Your thirst and brand loyalty will become our own. Resistance is futile. Prepare to be assimilated."

Or if they'd bought the rights to BBC's Doctor Who, I'm actually convinced that the Petite Cola machines are Daleks in disguise,
Poor unsuspecting customer: "Hey, machine gimmea Cola!", PC Machine " "EXTERMINATE!!"

[Seto Kaiba]

Hehe... it's still a lot more dignified than how they actually met their ends in Robotech, and it fits Kyle perfectly. I still think the fate of his Macross equivalent, Kaifun, was an intentional dig at Robotech by Macross's creators.

So what happen to him?

Well... in Robotech, our boy "Kyle" met his end in 2043 when he disguised himself as a REF soldier and tried to singlehandedly prevent General Edwards and a squad of professional soldiers from abducting Minmei. Edwards got his sole "Crowning Moment of Awesome" when he shot Kyle dead after a brief scuffle twice... once in the Waltrip comics and once in Prelude.



On the other hand... like most of the supporting cast from the original Macross series, Kaifun is still very much alive. After he and Minmay call it quits in 2011 and she departs on Megaroad-01 in 2012, Kaifun continues working as a manger in the music industry. He lives on Earth for a while, and later moves to Macross-11 (in the 41st Long-Distance Emigration Fleet). Here's where it starts to turn into a dig at Robotech:

Y'see... the colony ship that Kaifun is living on in the 2040s is modeled on America and has English as its primary language. During his time there, Kaifun became the creator and the manager of Fire Bomber American, an unauthorized cover band that performs English versions of the popular (Japanese) band Fire Bomber's songs without the knowledge or the consent of the original band or its record label. Fire Bomber American doesn't stop at that either... they even dress like the members of Fire Bomber during performances, and claim that the original Fire Bomber is a ripoff of them, despite their having only made their debut several years after Fire Bomber's rise to popularity. Fire Bomber American has modest success in the limited market of its home fleet, but is roundly scorned as a shameless ripoff everywhere else.

(See why I think it's a dig at Robotech? You've got the Japanese original [Macross or Fire Bomber] and an American imitation with absurd pretensions to originality [Robotech or Fire Bomber American] "created" by a guy who's not very well regarded in the industry... [Kaifun or Carl Macek], which appeared right around the same time Harmony Gold first got started trying to block Macross imports.)

[Nightmask]

Well... in Robotech, our boy "Kyle" met his end in 2043 when he disguised himself as a REF soldier and tried to singlehandedly prevent General Edwards and a squad of professional soldiers from abducting Minmei. Edwards got his sole "Crowning Moment of Awesome" when he shot Kyle dead after a brief scuffle twice... once in the Waltrip comics and once in Prelude.

So why was Edwards trying to abduct Minmei? I'd hate to think Kyle died doing something heroic when he should have gotten an ironic death brought about by his @$$hattery.

On the other hand... like most of the supporting cast from the original Macross series, Kaifun is still very much alive. After he and Minmay call it quits in 2011 and she departs on Megaroad-01 in 2012, Kaifun continues working as a manger in the music industry. He lives on Earth for a while, and later moves to Macross-11 (in the 41st Long-Distance Emigration Fleet). Here's where it starts to turn into a dig at Robotech:

Y'see... the colony ship that Kaifun is living on in the 2040s is modeled on America and has English as its primary language. During his time there, Kaifun became the creator and the manager of Fire Bomber American, an unauthorized cover band that performs English versions of the popular (Japanese) band Fire Bomber's songs without the knowledge or the consent of the original band or its record label. Fire Bomber American doesn't stop at that either... they even dress like the members of Fire Bomber during performances, and claim that the original Fire Bomber is a ripoff of them, despite their having only made their debut several years after Fire Bomber's rise to popularity. Fire Bomber American has modest success in the limited market of its home fleet, but is roundly scorned as a shameless ripoff everywhere else.

(See why I think it's a dig at Robotech? You've got the Japanese original [Macross or Fire Bomber] and an American imitation with absurd pretensions to originality [Robotech or Fire Bomber American] "created" by a guy who's not very well regarded in the industry... [Kaifun or Carl Macek], which appeared right around the same time Harmony Gold first got started trying to block Macross imports.)

There is no end to the interesting stories that get created by people trying to do a 'take that' at someone else, although keeping him alive is such horrible thing.

[Seto Kaiba]

So why was Edwards trying to abduct Minmei? I'd hate to think Kyle died doing something heroic when he should have gotten an ironic death brought about by his @$$hattery.

Sh!ts and giggles, apparently... they never really explained why he was taking the time to abduct Minmei in Prelude. I'd call starting a bare-knuckled brawl with several veteran soldiers who all have guns a pretty stupid way to die, regardless of what you were trying to protect at the time... and doing so to protect a girl who dumped you and then slept with a bunch of guys you hate just to pass the time a pretty stupid way to die.

There is no end to the interesting stories that get created by people trying to do a 'take that' at someone else, although keeping him alive is such horrible thing.

Totally... though Kaifun wasn't quite as obnoxious in the original, and his fate is one of the less-dignified ones among the Macross original cast. General Global and Kim Kabirov have some interesting ones.

[taalismn]

Kaifun: "So I'm pretty much relegated to sending barbed messages to Corporate America in a backwater? While Kyle-boy gets ragged on near constantly in the same rip's fandom?"
Kyle: "Yeah. That's about it."
Kaifun: "And you're okay with it?"
Kyle: "You forget an American saying: ANY publicity, even negative publicity, is still publicity. They're STILL talking about me!"
Kaifun: "...you been listening to Charlie Sheen?"

[Nightmask]

So why was Edwards trying to abduct Minmei? I'd hate to think Kyle died doing something heroic when he should have gotten an ironic death brought about by his @$$hattery.

Sh!ts and giggles, apparently... they never really explained why he was taking the time to abduct Minmei in Prelude. I'd call starting a bare-knuckled brawl with several veteran soldiers who all have guns a pretty stupid way to die, regardless of what you were trying to protect at the time... and doing so to protect a girl who dumped you and then slept with a bunch of guys you hate just to pass the time a pretty stupid way to die.

True but it still rates as a heroic death, even moreso when you consider he had no hope of winning and even with all she'd done to him he was still willing to die to protect her. So it's really too good a death for him.

[taalismn]

So why was Edwards trying to abduct Minmei? I'd hate to think Kyle died doing something heroic when he should have gotten an ironic death brought about by his @$$hattery.

Sh!ts and giggles, apparently... they never really explained why he was taking the time to abduct Minmei in Prelude. I'd call starting a bare-knuckled brawl with several veteran soldiers who all have guns a pretty stupid way to die, regardless of what you were trying to protect at the time... and doing so to protect a girl who dumped you and then slept with a bunch of guys you hate just to pass the time a pretty stupid way to die.

True but it still rates as a heroic death, even moreso when you consider he had no hope of winning and even with all she'd done to him he was still willing to die to protect her. So it's really too good a death for him.

I figured it was pure laziness. Rather than have him develop some real character and do something that showed he was really capable of change, they just made him a stalker in uniform, and gave him an end that could be either interpreted as his obsession leading to a bad end, or a last gasp/comeuppance for an unpopular character, with dubious redemption in death.

[Nightmask]

So why was Edwards trying to abduct Minmei? I'd hate to think Kyle died doing something heroic when he should have gotten an ironic death brought about by his @$$hattery.

Sh!ts and giggles, apparently... they never really explained why he was taking the time to abduct Minmei in Prelude. I'd call starting a bare-knuckled brawl with several veteran soldiers who all have guns a pretty stupid way to die, regardless of what you were trying to protect at the time... and doing so to protect a girl who dumped you and then slept with a bunch of guys you hate just to pass the time a pretty stupid way to die.

True but it still rates as a heroic death, even moreso when you consider he had no hope of winning and even with all she'd done to him he was still willing to die to protect her. So it's really too good a death for him.

I figured it was pure laziness. Rather than have him develop some real character and do something that showed he was really capable of change, they just made him a stalker in uniform, and gave him an end that could be either interpreted as his obsession leading to a bad end, or a last gasp/comeuppance for an unpopular character, with dubious redemption in death.

Ahhh, a better spin on things. So it isn't an heroic death but instead a result of his stubborn unwillingness to learn from his mistakes that finally leads to his death.

[Seto Kaiba]

I figured it was pure laziness. Rather than have him develop some real character and do something that showed he was really capable of change, they just made him a stalker in uniform, and gave him an end that could be either interpreted as his obsession leading to a bad end, or a last gasp/comeuppance for an unpopular character, with dubious redemption in death.

Definitely... in my experience, it's not Tommy Yune's style to give an unpopular character a chance to redeem [him/her]self. His tried and true pattern is to heap a little more abuse on an unpopular character before disposing of them forever. There was nothing heroic in Kyle's death... he died every bit as much an unlikeable hypocrite as he was in the series. He was dressed as a soldier and sneaking around a military base for the express purpose of following a woman who'd told him to get lost 30 years ago when Edwards shot him... presumably with the intention of dragging her back to Earth so she could go back to being his meal ticket.

(There's even less dignity in it when you take into account the fact that, as the only civilian on the SDF-3, Minmei kept herself busy by having a string of affairs with senior officers, the very guys who Kyle hates with a passion... some of whom were married men. There's not a lot of honor in dying for a woman that sleazy.)

Tommy Yune has a history of doing stuff like that to unpopular characters. He turned good ol' Commander Leonard into an Anti-Unification League agent and saboteur working to bring the United Earth Government down from within. Dana Sterling was marginalized into a mute combat trauma victim who resents her entire family. Minmei ends up getting kidnapped by one of the officers she had a fling with and spends a year as his prisoner, apparently being tortured or beaten brutally before Rick could be arsed to rescue her. (Of course, some of these serve the dual purpose of banishing the remaining Macross cast from the show, for legal reasons.)

[Nightmask]

I figured it was pure laziness. Rather than have him develop some real character and do something that showed he was really capable of change, they just made him a stalker in uniform, and gave him an end that could be either interpreted as his obsession leading to a bad end, or a last gasp/comeuppance for an unpopular character, with dubious redemption in death.

Definitely... in my experience, it's not Tommy Yune's style to give an unpopular character a chance to redeem [him/her]self. His tried and true pattern is to heap a little more abuse on an unpopular character before disposing of them forever. There was nothing heroic in Kyle's death... he died every bit as much an unlikeable hypocrite as he was in the series. He was dressed as a soldier and sneaking around a military base for the express purpose of following a woman who'd told him to get lost 30 years ago when Edwards shot him... presumably with the intention of dragging her back to Earth so she could go back to being his meal ticket.

(There's even less dignity in it when you take into account the fact that, as the only civilian on the SDF-3, Minmei kept herself busy by having a string of affairs with senior officers, the very guys who Kyle hates with a passion... some of whom were married men. There's not a lot of honor in dying for a woman that sleazy.)

Tommy Yune has a history of doing stuff like that to unpopular characters. He turned good ol' Commander Leonard into an Anti-Unification League agent and saboteur working to bring the United Earth Government down from within. Dana Sterling was marginalized into a mute combat trauma victim who resents her entire family. Minmei ends up getting kidnapped by one of the officers she had a fling with and spends a year as his prisoner, apparently being tortured or beaten brutally before Rick could be arsed to rescue her. (Of course, some of these serve the dual purpose of banishing the remaining Macross cast from the show, for legal reasons.)

Man that sounds vicious, makes me glad I haven't seen that if that happened to so much of the original cast. I hate seeing such abuse being tossed out like that, at least for characters that really didn't rate it. Kyle did, Minmei while an airhead really wasn't that awful a character and you can blame some of that on Kyle.

[Seto Kaiba]

Man that sounds vicious, makes me glad I haven't seen that if that happened to so much of the original cast. I hate seeing such abuse being tossed out like that, at least for characters that really didn't rate it.

Yeah, it really was... but I can't pretend it came as much of a surprise. Tommy was a fan long before he became creative director, so using the authority of his office to abuse parts of the series he didn't like is only to be expected. What's more unsettling to me is the way Tommy casually kills off almost all of the remaining Macross Saga characters in short order, and nobody in the story notices or comments on it.

In the span of five comic issues and roughly a year's time in-universe, he kills Kyle, Dr. Lang, Breetai, Exedore, Lisa's unborn child, all the Zentradi serving in the UEEF, and likely Max and Miriya as well. On top of that, he also severely maimed Minmei and Lisa, leaving just Rick to keep things moving. Nobody in the story seems to notice or care that the Zentradi are now functionally extinct, or that all these important people are dead. The only thing that draws any kind of reaction is Lisa's injuries. All these people die, and nobody bats an eye or even mentions it. (I'm not gonna count his reaction to seeing brutalized Minmei, since he waited an entire year before sending a single ship to find her)

[...] Kyle did, Minmei while an airhead really wasn't that awful a character and you can blame some of that on Kyle.

That's the funny thing... years and years after the fact, Macek started to claim that he'd always intended to make Robotech's Minmei into a mediocre singer and a bad person with the alleged intention of sending a message that in a crisis even a bad person can do some good. The whole thing is obvious BS, especially considering his earlier accounts of Robotech's creation and some of the other hilariously obvious lies he tells in that same interview.

[Nightmask]

Man that sounds vicious, makes me glad I haven't seen that if that happened to so much of the original cast. I hate seeing such abuse being tossed out like that, at least for characters that really didn't rate it.

Yeah, it really was... but I can't pretend it came as much of a surprise. Tommy was a fan long before he became creative director, so using the authority of his office to abuse parts of the series he didn't like is only to be expected. What's more unsettling to me is the way Tommy casually kills off almost all of the remaining Macross Saga characters in short order, and nobody in the story notices or comments on it.

In the span of five comic issues and roughly a year's time in-universe, he kills Kyle, Dr. Lang, Breetai, Exedore, Lisa's unborn child, all the Zentradi serving in the UEEF, and likely Max and Miriya as well. On top of that, he also severely maimed Minmei and Lisa, leaving just Rick to keep things moving. Nobody in the story seems to notice or care that the Zentradi are now functionally extinct, or that all these important people are dead. The only thing that draws any kind of reaction is Lisa's injuries. All these people die, and nobody bats an eye or even mentions it. (I'm not gonna count his reaction to seeing brutalized Minmei, since he waited an entire year before sending a single ship to find her)

Ugh, nothing worse than an ascended fanboy who gets to move to 'running the asylum'. They get to put all their awful stuff that should be rightly left fanon into print and try to claim it to be canon. Won't get me accepting such awful writing as canon to the series.

[...] Kyle did, Minmei while an airhead really wasn't that awful a character and you can blame some of that on Kyle.

That's the funny thing... years and years after the fact, Macek started to claim that he'd always intended to make Robotech's Minmei into a mediocre singer and a bad person with the alleged intention of sending a message that in a crisis even a bad person can do some good. The whole thing is obvious BS, especially considering his earlier accounts of Robotech's creation and some of the other hilariously obvious lies he tells in that same interview.

Well people aren't perfect, they fail to remember stuff, contradict themselves at times, and yes sometimes lie if because of public reaction it seems for some reason a good idea to appear to be really on the side of the haters. He'd hardly be the first by a long shot and wouldn't be the last.

[Alpha 11]

Okay, but bear in mind that the dojos that Kyle tried to enroll in were the Tendo Ryu Dojo, and the Fist of the North Star Training Academy, who have rather high standards....
"So you want to learn martial arts?"
"Yes, I want to learn!"
"Excellent! Let's see what you're made of! Stop this! SHOOTING STAR GUT-PULPER PUNNNCCCHHHHH!!!!!"
"...!..."
"....okay, that was just pathetic. Just go back on home, willya? And stop bleeding all over the sidewalk..."

"Ok, whose bright idea was it to use that particular vocal program for the Petite Cola machines?"
"I don't know. Do we even have the rights to that?"
"We do. The collapse of Paramount during the Global War saw what was left of the company selling off its rights, even a piece at a time. We got the rights to these things."
"Well, a note; we will not go forward with the proposed ad campaign then. Something crossed my desk last week including posters, television spots and radio advertising."
"Alright, yeah, nix that ****...and will someone please shut that thing up?"

Off in the corner of the conference room, a display model of the mobile Petite Cola machine was continuously spouting the slogan in a robotic voice.

"We are Petite Cola. Your thirst and brand loyalty will become our own. Resistance is futile. Prepare to be assimilated."

Or if they'd bought the rights to BBC's Doctor Who, I'm actually convinced that the Petite Cola machines are Daleks in disguise,
Poor unsuspecting customer: "Hey, machine gimmea Cola!", PC Machine " "EXTERMINATE!!"

Hehe... it's still a lot more dignified than how they actually met their ends in Robotech, and it fits Kyle perfectly. I still think the fate of his Macross equivalent, Kaifun, was an intentional dig at Robotech by Macross's creators.

So what happen to him?

Well... in Robotech, our boy "Kyle" met his end in 2043 when he disguised himself as a REF soldier and tried to singlehandedly prevent General Edwards and a squad of professional soldiers from abducting Minmei. Edwards got his sole "Crowning Moment of Awesome" when he shot Kyle dead after a brief scuffle twice... once in the Waltrip comics and once in Prelude.



On the other hand... like most of the supporting cast from the original Macross series, Kaifun is still very much alive. After he and Minmay call it quits in 2011 and she departs on Megaroad-01 in 2012, Kaifun continues working as a manger in the music industry. He lives on Earth for a while, and later moves to Macross-11 (in the 41st Long-Distance Emigration Fleet). Here's where it starts to turn into a dig at Robotech:

Y'see... the colony ship that Kaifun is living on in the 2040s is modeled on America and has English as its primary language. During his time there, Kaifun became the creator and the manager of Fire Bomber American, an unauthorized cover band that performs English versions of the popular (Japanese) band Fire Bomber's songs without the knowledge or the consent of the original band or its record label. Fire Bomber American doesn't stop at that either... they even dress like the members of Fire Bomber during performances, and claim that the original Fire Bomber is a ripoff of them, despite their having only made their debut several years after Fire Bomber's rise to popularity. Fire Bomber American has modest success in the limited market of its home fleet, but is roundly scorned as a shameless ripoff everywhere else.

(See why I think it's a dig at Robotech? You've got the Japanese original [Macross or Fire Bomber] and an American imitation with absurd pretensions to originality [Robotech or Fire Bomber American] "created" by a guy who's not very well regarded in the industry... [Kaifun or Carl Macek], which appeared right around the same time Harmony Gold first got started trying to block Macross imports.)

The how in ended in the book series. Intersting info on that he is still around and kicking, though IMO the comparisions you make between Macross and Robotech and what Kaifun does to Macek are way off. Are Macross and Robotech similar, yes, the same, no. If they were relatives, I would say they were cousins. There are many differences between them as there are similarities.

Kaifun: "So I'm pretty much relegated to sending barbed messages to Corporate America in a backwater? While Kyle-boy gets ragged on near constantly in the same rip's fandom?"
Kyle: "Yeah. That's about it."
Kaifun: "And you're okay with it?"
Kyle: "You forget an American saying: ANY publicity, even negative publicity, is still publicity. They're STILL talking about me!"
Kaifun: "...you been listening to Charlie Sheen?"

So why was Edwards trying to abduct Minmei? I'd hate to think Kyle died doing something heroic when he should have gotten an ironic death brought about by his @$$hattery.

Sh!ts and giggles, apparently... they never really explained why he was taking the time to abduct Minmei in Prelude. I'd call starting a bare-knuckled brawl with several veteran soldiers who all have guns a pretty stupid way to die, regardless of what you were trying to protect at the time... and doing so to protect a girl who dumped you and then slept with a bunch of guys you hate just to pass the time a pretty stupid way to die.

True but it still rates as a heroic death, even moreso when you consider he had no hope of winning and even with all she'd done to him he was still willing to die to protect her. So it's really too good a death for him.

And at least he somewhat straited out in the end.

I figured it was pure laziness. Rather than have him develop some real character and do something that showed he was really capable of change, they just made him a stalker in uniform, and gave him an end that could be either interpreted as his obsession leading to a bad end, or a last gasp/comeuppance for an unpopular character, with dubious redemption in death.

Definitely... in my experience, it's not Tommy Yune's style to give an unpopular character a chance to redeem [him/her]self. His tried and true pattern is to heap a little more abuse on an unpopular character before disposing of them forever. There was nothing heroic in Kyle's death... he died every bit as much an unlikeable hypocrite as he was in the series. He was dressed as a soldier and sneaking around a military base for the express purpose of following a woman who'd told him to get lost 30 years ago when Edwards shot him... presumably with the intention of dragging her back to Earth so she could go back to being his meal ticket.

(There's even less dignity in it when you take into account the fact that, as the only civilian on the SDF-3, Minmei kept herself busy by having a string of affairs with senior officers, the very guys who Kyle hates with a passion... some of whom were married men. There's not a lot of honor in dying for a woman that sleazy.)

Tommy Yune has a history of doing stuff like that to unpopular characters. He turned good ol' Commander Leonard into an Anti-Unification League agent and saboteur working to bring the United Earth Government down from within. Dana Sterling was marginalized into a mute combat trauma victim who resents her entire family. Minmei ends up getting kidnapped by one of the officers she had a fling with and spends a year as his prisoner, apparently being tortured or beaten brutally before Rick could be arsed to rescue her. (Of course, some of these serve the dual purpose of banishing the remaining Macross cast from the show, for legal reasons.)

You forget an importent detail. Kely was on the SDF-3 going AWAY from earth, AWAY from Minmay. She was the one who jumped on and come for the ride. So since she was there, he might have desided to keep an eye on her to make sure she didn't get into to much trouble. At least that is what I got out of it. Though I could be wrong.

[taalismn]

[You forget an importent detail. Kely was on the SDF-3 going AWAY from earth, AWAY from Minmay. She was the one who jumped on and come for the ride. So since she was there, he might have desided to keep an eye on her to make sure she didn't get into to much trouble. At least that is what I got out of it. Though I could be wrong.

Point there....but he also effectively deserts his post to do so. Admittedly, if he'd done anything like go to his superiors about his concerns and tried to work in the chain of command, he'd have brought undue attention to himself(and the penalties for joining the service under an assumed identity?) to little effect...as Edwards was working the system far more effectively(just about everybody else in the UEEF command disliked him, but couldn't do squat about it).

[Alpha 11]

[You forget an importent detail. Kely was on the SDF-3 going AWAY from earth, AWAY from Minmay. She was the one who jumped on and come for the ride. So since she was there, he might have desided to keep an eye on her to make sure she didn't get into to much trouble. At least that is what I got out of it. Though I could be wrong.

Point there....but he also effectively deserts his post to do so. Admittedly, if he'd done anything like go to his superiors about his concerns and tried to work in the chain of command, he'd have brought undue attention to himself(and the penalties for joining the service under an assumed identity?) to little effect...as Edwards was working the system far more effectively(just about everybody else in the UEEF command disliked him, but couldn't do squat about it).

So I guess he went with the best choice. Though let's not take him out of the game.

[taalismn]

[

So I guess he went with the best choice. Though let's not take him out of the game.

The Game of Pain?
Nah, Kyle's not an regular contestant on that...he's a sideshow filler; most of his bloopers are self-imposed, rather than than inflicted on him.
Because, all in all, Kyle/Kaifun doesn't strike me as a terribly bright boy; Khyron has constructive rage, a certain amount of leadership charisma(and, if you go with the Macross canon, is particularly inventive), and initiative going for him. Edwards has survival skillz working in his favor(and apparently knows how to suck up to the right people), Leonard also apparently had a certain leadership charisma going for him(and, if you buy into the comics continua, personal charm as well if he got Seloy to fall for him)...Kyle, on the other hand, tends to antagonize people who who got get him arrested, or if not worse, so much so that he can't ALL be youthful ineptitude. Perhaps a subconscious hankering for a Darwin Award?

"You military hotheads! You warmongering murderers! All you know is war! Your only answer to everything is to kill it!"
"And with that argument you expect to sway me to back down? Well, it's your lucky day! I happen to LIKE killing things; it's the only thing I know I do well!"
Kyle: "...." (click***BRRRAAAPPPPPPP***)

[Alpha 11]

[

So I guess he went with the best choice. Though let's not take him out of the game.

The Game of Pain?
Nah, Kyle's not an regular contestant on that...he's a sideshow filler; most of his bloopers are self-imposed, rather than than inflicted on him.
Because, all in all, Kyle/Kaifun doesn't strike me as a terribly bright boy; Khyron has constructive rage, a certain amount of leadership charisma(and, if you go with the Macross canon, is particularly inventive), and initiative going for him. Edwards has survival skillz working in his favor(and apparently knows how to suck up to the right people), Leonard also apparently had a certain leadership charisma going for him(and, if you buy into the comics continua, personal charm as well if he got Seloy to fall for him)...Kyle, on the other hand, tends to antagonize people who who got get him arrested, or if not worse, so much so that he can't ALL be youthful ineptitude. Perhaps a subconscious hankering for a Darwin Award?

"You military hotheads! You warmongering murderers! All you know is war! Your only answer to everything is to kill it!"
"And with that argument you expect to sway me to back down? Well, it's your lucky day! I happen to LIKE killing things; it's the only thing I know I do well!"
Kyle: "...." (click***BRRRAAAPPPPPPP***)

[taalismn]

I know I've been doing this too long when I wind up behind a truck with the following on it...
Restaurant
Equipment
Paradise

...and have a sudden image of a diner in the middle of nowhere. Inside, a counter help girl is watching several Tirolian Centurions coming in through the front door, several parked Bioroids just visible outside.
Behind the counter and the kitchen door, several armored ASC rangers are crouched; "Wait for it...wait until they're seated and are working on the appetizers..."

[Alpha 11]

I know I've been doing this too long when I wind up behind a truck with the following on it...
Restaurant
Equipment
Paradise

...and have a sudden image of a diner in the middle of nowhere. Inside, a counter help girl is watching several Tirolian Centurions coming in through the front door, several parked Bioroids just visible outside.
Behind the counter and the kitchen door, several armored ASC rangers are crouched; "Wait for it...wait until they're seated and are working on the appetizers..."

Ya, you might have been. But if you haven't, then we wouldn't get these crazy ones.

[taalismn]

S'right....We also have the local public water company around here...
Metropolitan
District
Commission...

I drive by the reservoir and see... that's right..MDC...take a look at the large bunker-like water facility and think "Oh yeah, when it hits the fan, I'm hiding at the water treatment plant! They build tough!"

After that, I go to work and reality hands me my arse....

[Alpha 11]

S'right....We also have the local public water company around here...
Metropolitan
District
Commission...

I drive by the reservoir and see... that's right..MDC...take a look at the large bunker-like water facility and think "Oh yeah, when it hits the fan, I'm hiding at the water treatment plant! They build tough!"

After that, I go to work and reality hands me my arse....

[taalismn]

Because nobody seems to remember the old "Sentinels: The Movie" any more:

(Scene: The Tirolian resistance fighters vs the Invid)

The fighters are cornered. They jump off the cliff to escape)
Tirolian: "AAAHHHHH!!!"(triggers his jet boots)--ssstttt----!"...oh crat, forgot to recharge them before I left the house this morning....AAAAYYYGGGHHHHHhhhhhhhh!"*SPLAT*

Take Two:
Tirolian: "AAAHHHH!!!"(triggers his jet boots)*FFFUUUU!!!!!*"AYIEEE!!!!!" (only one boot lights off, sending him flying off course over the horizon...)

Take Three:
Tirolian: "AAAHHHH!!!"(triggers his jet boots)*SSHHUUUSSSTTT!!*#WHAMP!# (He slows down so abruptly the guy behind/above him gets headbutted in the groin)"...urhkl...!"*WUNCH*

Take Four:
Tirolian: "AAAHHHH!!!"(triggers his jet boots)*SHUMMPHHH!* (He gets carried back up to the point where he jumped off...where the Hellcats are waiting for him) "AYYiiieee!!!!!"

Take Five:
Tirolian: "AAAHHHH!!!"(triggers his jet boots)*FWHOMPH!"(he lands short, landing on the camera crew)"YIIIIIIIIII!!!!!"*SLAMCRUNCH*

Take Six:
Tirolian: "AAAHHHH!!!"(triggers his jet boots) *FWHOMP!"*(he suddenly shoots up into the air)*FWAHMP!"(explodes in a fireworks display burst)

Take Seven:
Tirolian: "You know, forget it!"(He jumps off, whips out an umbrella, parachutes to the ground)

[Alpha 11]

Because nobody seems to remember the old "Sentinels: The Movie" any more:

(Scene: The Tirolian resistance fighters vs the Invid)

The fighters are cornered. They jump off the cliff to escape)
Tirolian: "AAAHHHHH!!!"(triggers his jet boots)--ssstttt----!"...oh crat, forgot to recharge them before I left the house this morning....AAAAYYYGGGHHHHHhhhhhhhh!"*SPLAT*

Take Two:
Tirolian: "AAAHHHH!!!"(triggers his jet boots)*FFFUUUU!!!!!*"AYIEEE!!!!!" (only one boot lights off, sending him flying off course over the horizon...)

Take Three:
Tirolian: "AAAHHHH!!!"(triggers his jet boots)*SSHHUUUSSSTTT!!*#WHAMP!# (He slows down so abruptly the guy behind/above him gets headbutted in the groin)"...urhkl...!"*WUNCH*

Take Four:
Tirolian: "AAAHHHH!!!"(triggers his jet boots)*SHUMMPHHH!* (He gets carried back up to the point where he jumped off...where the Hellcats are waiting for him) "AYYiiieee!!!!!"

Take Five:
Tirolian: "AAAHHHH!!!"(triggers his jet boots)*FWHOMPH!"(he lands short, landing on the camera crew)"YIIIIIIIIII!!!!!"*SLAMCRUNCH*

Take Six:
Tirolian: "AAAHHHH!!!"(triggers his jet boots) *FWHOMP!"*(he suddenly shoots up into the air)*FWAHMP!"(explodes in a fireworks display burst)

Take Seven:
Tirolian: "You know, forget it!"(He jumps off, whips out an umbrella, parachutes to the ground)

Old school is sometimes the best way.

[taalismn]

Robotech: The Sentinels Movie:

The Regent gets done with torturing interrogating the captive Tirolians....
Regent: (Turning away) "Reward them!"
(Hive Guard arms bomb, tosses it in, and turns around to leave)
*BUMP*#PHPT!#
Regent: (Spins around) "ALRIGHT! WHICH OF YOU LITTLE $&%^$%ERS THREW THAT YOU S--"
*BEEP*
(Looks down)
Regent: "---oh shi--"
#BOOM#

[Alpha 11]

Robotech: The Sentinels Movie:

The Regent gets done with torturing interrogating the captive Tirolians....
Regent: (Turning away) "Reward them!"
(Hive Guard arms bomb, tosses it in, and turns around to leave)
*BUMP*#PHPT!#
Regent: (Spins around) "ALRIGHT! WHICH OF YOU LITTLE $&%^$%ERS THREW THAT YOU S--"
*BEEP*
(Looks down)
Regent: "---oh shi--"
#BOOM#

[taalismn]

(Continued from above)
(Scene aboard Invid flagship)
It's the Regent, laying in traction, full body cast, completely swathed in bandages, except for one nose-tentacle.
The Regis is looking at the vaguely-Invid-shaped ball of plaster and bandages.
Regent(mumbling): "How the hell was I supposed to know they were the Tirolian Academy soccer team....or that they could put one through the temple upper windows...!?"

[Alpha 11]

(Continued from above)
(Scene aboard Invid flagship)
It's the Regent, laying in traction, full body cast, completely swathed in bandages, except for one nose-tentacle.
The Regis is looking at the vaguely-Invid-shaped ball of plaster and bandages.
Regent(mumbling): "How the hell was I supposed to know they were the Tirolian Academy soccer team....or that they could put one through the temple upper windows...!?"

[taalismn]

Regent:"Fortunately, I am the Regent, and am made of extremely resilient stuff! No mere demolition charge is going to keep ME down!"
(Invid physician): "Ah, Your Awesome Majesty! Time for your therapeutic draining with leeches! Get all that bad blood out, no? And we have an enema to clean out those negative Flower of Life residues! Make you feel like a new slug!"(sound of hydraulic pump revving up)
Regent: "...surviving my doctors on the other hand..."

[Alpha 11]

Regent:"Fortunately, I am the Regent, and am made of extremely resilient stuff! No mere demolition charge is going to keep ME down!"
(Invid physician): "Ah, Your Awesome Majesty! Time for your therapeutic draining with leeches! Get all that bad blood out, no? And we have an enema to clean out those negative Flower of Life residues! Make you feel like a new slug!"(sound of hydraulic pump revving up)
Regent: "...surviving my doctors on the other hand..."

[taalismn]

Invid Nurse: "But doctor! How can we tell when the leeches are done?"
Invid Doctor: "Tht's easy! When it's a big, engorged, fat, discolored slimy slug-like...oh...Yes, I can see we might have a problem..."