ARCHIE VS Atlantis: Who wins, Who loses?

[Grinning Demon]

Keir451's poll got me thinking about ARCHIE's capabilities. Now let me preface this by saying ARCHIE would probably be defeated by Atlantis in an all-out war. But if ARCHIE/Hagen had bots infiltrate Atlantis and worked on bringing Atlantis down could they do it? I know Atlantis relies heavily on slaves/biowizardry for their protection. Could ARCHIE find a way to free slaves and get them to turn on their masters? And if so could they defeat Splynncryth or make it so "unprofitable" for him that he packs up and leaves? My history is fuzzy so I can't remember if ARCHIE is even aware of Atlantis, but if he is I would think they would be enemy #1 since Atlantis is the greatest known threat to humanity.

I personally think that if ARCHIE/Hagen were able to free non biowizardry controlled slaves and gladiators (Adarak, Hawrk ra, Zembak, etc), infiltrate the lower levels of the Splugorth hierarchy (Sunaj, T-Men, etc) and replicate Kittani tech then he could possibly defeat Splynncryth or at least get him to leave town.

[Nightmask]

Keir451's poll got me thinking about ARCHIE's capabilities. Now let me preface this by saying ARCHIE would probably be defeated by Atlantis in an all-out war. But if ARCHIE/Hagen had bots infiltrate Atlantis and worked on bringing Atlantis down could they do it? I know Atlantis relies heavily on slaves/biowizardry for their protection. Could ARCHIE find a way to free slaves and get them to turn on their masters? And if so could they defeat Splynncryth or make it so "unprofitable" for him that he packs up and leaves? My history is fuzzy so I can't remember if ARCHIE is even aware of Atlantis, but if he is I would think they would be enemy #1 since Atlantis is the greatest known threat to humanity.

I personally think that if ARCHIE/Hagen were able to free non biowizardry controlled slaves and gladiators (Adarak, Hawrk ra, Zembak, etc), infiltrate the lower levels of the Splugorth hierarchy (Sunaj, T-Men, etc) and replicate Kittani tech then he could possibly defeat Splynncryth or at least get him to leave town.

ARCHIE-3's original efforts to rebuilt humanity were destroyed by a Splugorthian raid from Atlantis and led to his fall to Darkness, so he's VERY aware of them.

Given how ARCHIE-3 seems to think it'd be unlikely he'd try to create slave rebellions rather than rely on his robots, but it's not impossible either. He can easily create (as seen with the Shemarrians) androids that no one would think anything but being alive, so could infiltrate apparent slaves as assassins or to stir up other kinds of trouble while acquiring intelligence at the same time.

[Lenwen]

Keir451's poll got me thinking about ARCHIE's capabilities. Now let me preface this by saying ARCHIE would probably be defeated by Atlantis in an all-out war. But if ARCHIE/Hagen had bots infiltrate Atlantis and worked on bringing Atlantis down could they do it? I know Atlantis relies heavily on slaves/biowizardry for their protection. Could ARCHIE find a way to free slaves and get them to turn on their masters? And if so could they defeat Splynncryth or make it so "unprofitable" for him that he packs up and leaves? My history is fuzzy so I can't remember if ARCHIE is even aware of Atlantis, but if he is I would think they would be enemy #1 since Atlantis is the greatest known threat to humanity.

I personally think that if ARCHIE/Hagen were able to free non biowizardry controlled slaves and gladiators (Adarak, Hawrk ra, Zembak, etc), infiltrate the lower levels of the Splugorth hierarchy (Sunaj, T-Men, etc) and replicate Kittani tech then he could possibly defeat Splynncryth or at least get him to leave town.

Archie could deal the most severe blow to Atlantis .. out of any Power block on the planet ..

But its still inconsequential next to the power of the Fully operational Splugorthian military ..

[Nether]

Keir451's poll got me thinking about ARCHIE's capabilities. Now let me preface this by saying ARCHIE would probably be defeated by Atlantis in an all-out war. But if ARCHIE/Hagen had bots infiltrate Atlantis and worked on bringing Atlantis down could they do it? I know Atlantis relies heavily on slaves/biowizardry for their protection. Could ARCHIE find a way to free slaves and get them to turn on their masters? And if so could they defeat Splynncryth or make it so "unprofitable" for him that he packs up and leaves? My history is fuzzy so I can't remember if ARCHIE is even aware of Atlantis, but if he is I would think they would be enemy #1 since Atlantis is the greatest known threat to humanity.

I personally think that if ARCHIE/Hagen were able to free non biowizardry controlled slaves and gladiators (Adarak, Hawrk ra, Zembak, etc), infiltrate the lower levels of the Splugorth hierarchy (Sunaj, T-Men, etc) and replicate Kittani tech then he could possibly defeat Splynncryth or at least get him to leave town.

ARCHIE-3's original efforts to rebuilt humanity were destroyed by a Splugorthian raid from Atlantis and led to his fall to Darkness, so he's VERY aware of them.

Given how ARCHIE-3 seems to think it'd be unlikely he'd try to create slave rebellions rather than rely on his robots, but it's not impossible either. He can easily create (as seen with the Shemarrians) androids that no one would think anything but being alive, so could infiltrate apparent slaves as assassins or to stir up other kinds of trouble while acquiring intelligence at the same time.

I don't know about that, as Atlantis has all sorts of powerful people / minions ext. I can't remember if there was any life detection spells / tech. And i guess there won't be alot of cyber knights running around Atlantis to say hey, your all tech. But then again peeps of Atlantis having bots, even ones that look human isn't uncommon or suspicious i would think, so Archie could infiltrate prolly alot of bots there. But all those bots i still don't think stand a chance against Atlantis even with a army attacking them. Their minions, magic and vast array of powered people are just to much for him.

Then there is the pyramid rift gates that could just bring in more and more troops. Splynncrest is one of the powerful heads of the spluggorth empire, and he has access to an empire. Not that he could pull it all in, but he could pull in more than enough that would make Archie look pathetic. And as for assassinating the big squid, i'm thinking there is no such thing as assinating things like that, not even other gods vs gods as they just don't do the damage and would be a very long fight.

I hate to say it, but now i want to know how peeps think Atlantis could be defeated or taken back. Guess i am starting a thread for that ...

[taalismn]

The toaster loses if the Splugorth got SERIOUS and decided to upset the whole profitable applecart that is North America by going wholesale invasionand flooding the continent en masse with minions.
Of course, such an action would trigger a response from OTHER people as well(CS nuke strikes, Naruni gleefully going fire-sale to all the frightened people, Vampire Intelligences moving through the shadows looking to capitalize on the disorder), so ARCHIE wouldn't be facing the Splugorth alone.
End result, the Splugorth would win over ARCHIE 3, but the resulting hairball would bloody their eye and likely spoil their happy hunting grounds for a few generations.

[Dr Megaverse]

I voted for Splynn simply because he wouldn't hesitate to atomize every single slave on Atlantis. It'd cut into profits, but he can always get more.

[Grinning Demon]

Again, if ARCHIE were able to infiltrate the higher levels of Atlantis (conservators, slavers, overlords) he could do it. Splyncryth has spies everywhere it says, if ARCHIE replaced those spies they could be feeding Splynncryth all sorts of misinformation with the goal getting rid of him. Remember Splynncryth doesn't even know about ARCHIE or his bots etc.

[Lenwen]

The toaster loses if the Splugorth got SERIOUS and decided to upset the whole profitable applecart that is North America by going wholesale invasionand flooding the continent en masse with minions.
Of course, such an action would trigger a response from OTHER people as well(CS nuke strikes, Naruni gleefully going fire-sale to all the frightened people, Vampire Intelligences moving through the shadows looking to capitalize on the disorder), so ARCHIE wouldn't be facing the Splugorth alone.
End result, the Splugorth would win over ARCHIE 3, but the resulting hairball would bloody their eye and likely spoil their happy hunting grounds for a few generations.

I do not think the CS would even know about that ..

Free Quebec .. oh yeah .. they would know about it but they would tighten boarder patrols .. and take no actions against the minions unless they attacked FQ first ..

Naruni gleefully going fire sale .. the CS would know about however .. and simply put the kai bosh .. on that quick fast and in a hurry ..

There are no Vampire's along the eastern coast .. so there goes that whole idea .. of the Vampire's going after Splynns forces .

Also note .. Splynns forces would not penetrate to far into the NA continent .. only sticking to area's where they are being targeted at .. aka .. archie bots controlled area's ..

In this situation I do not even think they would take slaves .. they would merely look for who / what is producing all the beings who are being aggressive / striking at them .. and work that till they find something .. to take their aggression out on ..

[taalismn]

The toaster loses if the Splugorth got SERIOUS and decided to upset the whole profitable applecart that is North America by going wholesale invasionand flooding the continent en masse with minions.
Of course, such an action would trigger a response from OTHER people as well(CS nuke strikes, Naruni gleefully going fire-sale to all the frightened people, Vampire Intelligences moving through the shadows looking to capitalize on the disorder), so ARCHIE wouldn't be facing the Splugorth alone.
End result, the Splugorth would win over ARCHIE 3, but the resulting hairball would bloody their eye and likely spoil their happy hunting grounds for a few generations.

I do not think the CS would even know about that ..

Free Quebec .. oh yeah .. they would know about it but they would tighten boarder patrols .. and take no actions against the minions unless they attacked FQ first ..

Naruni gleefully going fire sale .. the CS would know about however .. and simply put the kai bosh .. on that quick fast and in a hurry ..

There are no Vampire's along the eastern coast .. so there goes that whole idea .. of the Vampire's going after Splynns forces .

Also note .. Splynns forces would not penetrate to far into the NA continent .. only sticking to area's where they are being targeted at .. aka .. archie bots controlled area's ..

In this situation I do not even think they would take slaves .. they would merely look for who / what is producing all the beings who are being aggressive / striking at them .. and work that till they find something .. to take their aggression out on ..

An all-out invasion?
The CS WOULD know about it. They still have the naval base up at Halifax, I don't doubt they run patrols up and down the coast(even if it's only very fast submarine runs), they also likely run regular air recon patrols, and have a few expeditions/recon units trudging around on the ground...and if they caught word that there was an inordinate amount of Splug activity, they'd send more units to verify.
After all, they don't KNOW that the Splugorth are only after the Shemarrians and ARCHIE-3, and all that activity could be the precursor/the first wave of a Splugorth move to establish a larger permanent presence on the North American continent. True, the analysts would figure that a REAL invasion would involve long range strikes on the most likely opposition...Free Quebec and the CS...but the CS knows so little of the capabilities of the Splugorth, it's a curious combination of fearing the unknown non-human and underestimating them...

And vamps got other ways of hurting the Splugorth, not just charging at 'em. They got other minions and corrupted pawns too, and if they can't hit them on the East Coast, they'll make trouble in other places/other dimensions.

[Grinning Demon]

I still think anonymity is ARCHIE's biggest ace in the hole. After infiltrating higher levels of command in Atlantis, providing misinformation to Splynncryth, taking control of slaves, and then perhaps orchestrating a CS/Free Quebec war on Atlantis I think it's perfectly feasible, though not easy I admit.

[rat_bastard]

I still think anonymity is ARCHIE's biggest ace in the hole. After infiltrating higher levels of command in Atlantis, providing misinformation to Splynncryth, taking control of slaves, and then perhaps orchestrating a CS/Free Quebec war on Atlantis I think it's perfectly feasible, though not easy I admit.

how does Archie protect against psychic tracking or crystal balls?

[Grinning Demon]

well all of ARCHIE's minions are presumably androids, so they wouldn't register with psychics. Physics and mages alike have ways of blocking psionic tracking so it really wouldn't raise too much suspicion. Plus who or what would you be psychically tracking or using a crystal ball on? Splynncryth would be too busy focusing on known threats (Naruni, CS, FoM) to be worried about possible unknown threats (like ARCHIE)

[rat_bastard]

well all of ARCHIE's minions are presumably androids, so they wouldn't register with psychics. Physics and mages alike have ways of blocking psionic tracking so it really wouldn't raise too much suspicion. Plus who or what would you be psychically tracking or using a crystal ball on? Splynncryth would be too busy focusing on known threats (Naruni, CS, FoM) to be worried about possible unknown threats (like ARCHIE)

One of the most powerful and numerous races available to the splugorith all have object read and telemechanics, Atlantis had millions of people who can read androids and get a decent idea of what they are and where they come from. Couple that with astral projection then its only a matter of time before Atlantis finds Archie's cave.

[Grinning Demon]

well all of ARCHIE's minions are presumably androids, so they wouldn't register with psychics. Physics and mages alike have ways of blocking psionic tracking so it really wouldn't raise too much suspicion. Plus who or what would you be psychically tracking or using a crystal ball on? Splynncryth would be too busy focusing on known threats (Naruni, CS, FoM) to be worried about possible unknown threats (like ARCHIE)

One of the most powerful and numerous races available to the splugorith all have object read and telemechanics, Atlantis had millions of people who can read androids and get a decent idea of what they are and where they come from. Couple that with astral projection then its only a matter of time before Atlantis finds Archie's cave.

1. Telemachanics you have to touch said machine or be within 5 feet.
2. No where in the telemechanics power does it say you would automatically learn where said mchine was built. ARCHIE being a psionic entity would not put that kind of information in his bots.
3. Again since they don't know of the threat of ARCHIE, it's not like Splynncryth would be having millions of his minions with Telemechanics randomly touching people to see if they were androids built by a brain that was bent on destroying him
4. I still maintain with enough planning ARCHIE could make Rifts Earth un-fun and/or unprofitable enough for Splynncryth, thus causing him to leave.

[Grinning Demon]

No contest. Atlantis wins, hands down, on a concerted effort.

The only thing stopping Atlantis from whipping Archie's butt is the fact that they don't care. Atlantis is it in for the laughs.

Atlantis can't conquer Earth or else every other Galactic power would step in rather than let Splynncryth dominate one of the biggest nexus waypoints in the galaxy. So Splynncryth settles for the next best thing. He just wants to make money off the place.

The impression that I get with Splynncryth is that they like Earth's status quo. It's entertaining. It's full of conflict, business and potential slaves. Atlantis has made the best out of their arrangement, powerful enough to stomp on any faction on Earth that presumes they can go toe to toe with Atlantis, but diplomatic enough to make sure their rivals don't get any bright ideas about conquest. With that balance in check, Atlantis can keep making money, placing bets on Earth wars, and have a good time on their big island continent/vacation resort/megafortress of doom.

Any expansion in the 105-109 CE era is merely to tap into potential slave markets.

What makes me laugh about the whole arrangement is just how blissfully unaware Archie, Free Quebec and the CS are about just how scary Atlantis is. I hope they don't start a war with Atlantis, this would give Splynncryth the excuse needed to conquer a huge portion of Earth and get away with it ('But they started it... honest!').

So yeah, let Archie poke and prod at the Atlantians with his army of Shemmarians.

That's like poking an angry bear. Eventually Atlantis will have enough, swat Archie like a fly, and go back to watching the latest gladiator fights.

I don't think you even read my original post haha. I'm not talking about ARCHIE sending his Shermarrians to war against the Splugorth in an all out war (which I already contended they would lose) Actually re-re-read my posts on how/why I think ARCHIE could defeat Splynncryth. Thanks!

[Mech-Viper Prime]

well all of ARCHIE's minions are presumably androids, so they wouldn't register with psychics. Physics and mages alike have ways of blocking psionic tracking so it really wouldn't raise too much suspicion. Plus who or what would you be psychically tracking or using a crystal ball on? Splynncryth would be too busy focusing on known threats (Naruni, CS, FoM) to be worried about possible unknown threats (like ARCHIE)

One of the most powerful and numerous races available to the splugorith all have object read and telemechanics, Atlantis had millions of people who can read androids and get a decent idea of what they are and where they come from. Couple that with astral projection then its only a matter of time before Atlantis finds Archie's cave.

all its would do would point them to Hagan, and the facts it's a human somehow behind this in a factory sitting on a throne wearing a large helment well atleast for the shemarrians pg 109 SB1 R&E and SB1 pg 90

[rat_bastard]

well all of ARCHIE's minions are presumably androids, so they wouldn't register with psychics. Physics and mages alike have ways of blocking psionic tracking so it really wouldn't raise too much suspicion. Plus who or what would you be psychically tracking or using a crystal ball on? Splynncryth would be too busy focusing on known threats (Naruni, CS, FoM) to be worried about possible unknown threats (like ARCHIE)

One of the most powerful and numerous races available to the splugorith all have object read and telemechanics, Atlantis had millions of people who can read androids and get a decent idea of what they are and where they come from. Couple that with astral projection then its only a matter of time before Atlantis finds Archie's cave.

all its would do would point them to Hagan, and the facts it's a human somehow behind this in a factory sitting on a throne wearing a large helment well atleast for the shemarrians pg 109 SB1 R&E and SB1 pg 90

which is something that is full of clues and things to scan and watch for.

[Lenwen]

An all-out invasion?

You lost already..

This whole thread is about archie .. verses Atlantis ..

not Atlantis invasion of NA ..

And were not talking about that .. I clearly stated staying on the eastern seaboard .. (clearly not an all out invasion)

After all, they don't KNOW that the Splugorth are only after the Shemarrians and ARCHIE-3

Technically speaking .. the CS would have no clue WHO .. the increased action would be .. as by the book thee ONLY beings known as Splugorthian .. aka from atlantis .. would be the slavers ..

Any other inordinate upgrade of activity .. would not be traceable by the coalition .. back to Atlantis ..

all that activity could be the precursor/the first wave of a Splugorth move to establish a larger permanent presence on the North American continent.

Actually Atlantis has multiple bases now on the N.A. continent.

And vamps got other ways of hurting the Splugorth, not just charging at 'em. They got other minions and corrupted pawns too, and if they can't hit them on the East Coast, they'll make trouble in other places/other dimensions.

There is no doubt about that .. but then again it would not hurt Splynn in the least .. and especially not fast enough to take advantage of the N.A. war of Archie / Atlantis ..