miniroll161 wrote:Kevin asks for out thoughts on Manga vs. Full size books in the latest weekly update! Here is my thought "FULL SIZE PLEASE"
If he doesn't know the opinion by now he never will.
I am very opinionated. Yes I rub people the wrong way but at the end of the day I just enjoy good hard discussion and will gladly walk away agreeing to not agree
miniroll161 wrote:Kevin asks for out thoughts on Manga vs. Full size books in the latest weekly update! Here is my thought "FULL SIZE PLEASE"
If he doesn't know the opinion by now he never will.
QFT! he should have known by the 2007 Robotech.com poll where only 6% of fans wanted Manga sized that Fans really Wanted full sized books....
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I am actually quite torn - because if it is not in Manga, then the core series of books will not be all the same size. And I doubt, he will go back and do the Manga version.
Now what I found interesting was that he did mention once the Macross and Masters first printing is done, he can re-release it as a Full sized book.
I think I would rather have him release it as a Manga, with a very limited run. Then re-release all 4 books as a full sized compilation book.
Tiree wrote:I am actually quite torn - because if it is not in Manga, then the core series of books will not be all the same size. And I doubt, he will go back and do the Manga version.
Now what I found interesting was that he did mention once the Macross and Masters first printing is done, he can re-release it as a Full sized book.
I think I would rather have him release it as a Manga, with a very limited run. Then re-release all 4 books as a full sized compilation book.
That would be sweet! Especially if they made the compilation book a hard cover
MikeM wrote:Was it 6% fans wanted manga size and 94% wanted full size, or was there an "Don't care" percentage as well?
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=119683&start=0#p2367728 here is go into deail on the numbers (and posted here in spoilers. there was a % of people who don't roll play who responded, and a % with no preference.... but only 6% prefer the Manga size over any other format.
Spoiler:
Robotech.com Poll wrote:How do you feel about Palladium's announcement that they are working to produce new role-playing game books in manga size?
It doesn't matter, I'm just excited to hear that new Robotech role-playing games are finally coming out! 34.2% I prefer manga-sized books, because they're more compact and convenient to store on my shelves. 6.7% I prefer full-sized books, because I like to get my text and diagrams as large as possible. 22.6%
I'm not really into these role-playing games. 36.5%
Total Responses: 4373
This was Data collected by Harmony Gold after the Manga Sized books were announced. of the peopel who replied, you see 36.5% (1596) are not RPG customers, and Thus can be iugnored in Further Data. of the Remaining numbers. (2777 Potential customers) 53% don't Care what format. (1472) 10% Prefer Manga (277) 36% Prefer Full-Sized. (1008)
by the Data here, of people who had a Preference, 3 to 1 preferred Full-sized books. as only 10% of Fan's actually Preferred this format, Why would they Publish this Format? Palladium had access to this polling data. sure this Data won't change the minds of anyone at Palladium or HG, but its Factual data from the Harmony Golds website.
Give another Gamer a hand up with his education. "By no means am I an expert on Southern Cross (I cordially detest the series)"-Seto "Truth is determined by the evidence, not some nonexistent seniority system."-Seto
HG doesn't do things that way. They would see that 22.6% want full-size, so their reasoning would most likely be that 77.4% either will buy the Manga or won't buy the books at all, and the rest will either do without or buy the Manga anyway.
In every poll ive seen, full sized books have been more popular than manga sized, even when the Robotech line was just a thought of being brought back to Palladium. Why they would still pursue manga is beyond me. It didnt exactly draw manga fans to the RPG because of the size of the book...
I do a lot of typing with my games and its freaking annoying when I either 1) cannot reference what it is I am writing about (like a character sheet) since the book closes when its not in your hands, or 2) have to type with one hand since the other one is keeping the book open. Good to see KS and PB have finally seen that manga sized books are intended for manga comics you read front to cover and not browse like...an RPG.
If Palladium wants me to buy another Robotech book, it will be full sized, and I will not contribute to dwindling down their mistake of manga sized books in their warehouse just to see full sized books. I will however buy Macross and Masters books full sized, regardless of what is in their storage. But new product? Nope. only buying it once.
I want to see from Palladium: Updated Aug 2015 -Rifts: Dark Woods/Deep South, Space 110 PA, Scandinavia -Mechanoids: Space (MDC) -Robotech: Errata for Marines timeline, Masters Deluxe with SC and UEEF gear, Spaceships -Updated Errata for post-2006 printings of Rifts books -Searchable, quality PDFs/E-pubs of current Rifts titles
jaymz wrote:How far into September do you think we'll get before the book is pushed into November?
did not even make it to septemeber.
By Kevin Siembieda This has been “work your tail off” week.
Our mission: To get The Rifter® #56, Robotech® New Generation™ Sourcebook, Rifts® Lemuria, Rifts® Vampires sourcebook and an updated 2011 Catalog all out by October. Heck, I’m hoping to have a Dead Reign™ Sourcebook out by October or November as well. After that, we’re hoping Rifts® Megaverse in Flames™, Rifts® Chaos Earth™: First Responders Sourcebook and another Robotech® Sourcebook will end the year (November and December) with a high note. Or so we are shooting for.
as for Manga size i am rather full size books. with that said i would buy both if they were both avaible to get.
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Colonel Wolfe wrote:http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/read.php?id=2127652&forumid=10 Trying to talk to the Source. some of the Ideas in the new Generation book look bad... and I honestly hope they don't see print..
Not a fan of Franken-mecha either, but its easy enough to ignore if you don't want to use. I hope they do reprint the Invid information, as I want all my New Generation era info in one book. I liked the mecha from Malcontent Uprising (I miss Robotech comics) I don't think anyone considers Clone or Mordecai an actual part of Robotech in ANY universe lol. It was just bad.
Snip....Now what I found interesting was that he did mention once the Macross and Masters first printing is done, he can re-release it as a Full sized book.
This would be really cool.......i hope it happens
The rules for Franken-Mechs i partly the reason i'm going to get this book
Tiree wrote:I am actually quite torn - because if it is not in Manga, then the core series of books will not be all the same size. And I doubt, he will go back and do the Manga version.
Now what I found interesting was that he did mention once the Macross and Masters first printing is done, he can re-release it as a Full sized book.
I think I would rather have him release it as a Manga, with a very limited run. Then re-release all 4 books as a full sized compilation book.
This would be nice. I'd love to get a full sized compilation book, as well. Once more of it is done.
Speaking of which, since I haven't commented except on Facebook for a while, well, after all the bs in July, it's moved back to September then october.
At this rate, I'll be surprised if it makes it out by the end of the year. Oh well. I understand this coming year has an open house. I might show up if it isn't out by then. *packs the pitchfork, machete and torch in the trunk*
Colonel Wolfe wrote:http://www.robotech.com/community/forum/read.php?id=2127652&forumid=10 Trying to talk to the Source. some of the Ideas in the new Generation book look bad... and I honestly hope they don't see print..
Not a fan of Franken-mecha either, but its easy enough to ignore if you don't want to use. I hope they do reprint the Invid information, as I want all my New Generation era info in one book. I liked the mecha from Malcontent Uprising (I miss Robotech comics) I don't think anyone considers Clone or Mordecai an actual part of Robotech in ANY universe lol. It was just bad.
is there a picture of Mordecai ??? oh and call them stingers!!!
let your YES be YES and your NO be NO but plz no maybe
UPDATE: Robotech® New Generation™ Sourcebook. The book is completely written, 90% has gone through final editing, and half of the text has been sent to Harmony Gold this week for approval. The rest will follow immediately after the Labor Day holiday. As soon as we get approvals, I will assign the artwork. If approvals by Harmony Gold are quick, the book should hit its October release date without difficulty. On a personal level, I love this book. Apollo’s cover rocks and I feel Irvin Jackson was spot-on capturing the feel and excitement of Robotech® New Generation™. Hopefully, the folks at Harmony Gold agree.
NO more manga size. We’ve decided to stop doing manga-sized Robotech® books. Starting with the Robotech® New Generation™ Sourcebook, all future Robotech® supplements will be our usual 8½ x 11 size and format. If and when we sell out of the existing manga-sized books, we will reprint them in the larger, standard format. The manga size was a noble experiment, but the overwhelming majority of gamers (75%) have pleaded for our return to the standard size. Well, we’ve heard your pleas and that’s what we’re doing. Let the rejoicing begin.
NO more manga size. We’ve decided to stop doing manga-sized Robotech® books. Starting with the Robotech® New Generation™ Sourcebook, all future Robotech® supplements will be our usual 8½ x 11 size and format. If and when we sell out of the existing manga-sized books, we will reprint them in the larger, standard format. The manga size was a noble experiment, but the overwhelming majority of gamers (75%) have pleaded for our return to the standard size. Well, we’ve heard your pleas and that’s what we’re doing. Let the rejoicing begin.
WoooHoooo So, now the question is, will the full-sized books be hard of soft cover?.......i really like the hard cover TSC book
BTW, why didn't they do this in the first place........could have saved a hassle
NO more manga size. We’ve decided to stop doing manga-sized Robotech® books. Starting with the Robotech® New Generation™ Sourcebook, all future Robotech® supplements will be our usual 8½ x 11 size and format. If and when we sell out of the existing manga-sized books, we will reprint them in the larger, standard format. The manga size was a noble experiment, but the overwhelming majority of gamers (75%) have pleaded for our return to the standard size. Well, we’ve heard your pleas and that’s what we’re doing. Let the rejoicing begin.
WoooHoooo So, now the question is, will the full-sized books be hard of soft cover?.......i really like the hard cover TSC book
BTW, why didn't they do this in the first place........could have saved a hassle
Probably soft-cover and they thought manga-size was cool. It only took them a few years to finally figure out no one liked that size (except maybe a few people).
Crap! Now my books are going to look like ass on the shelf! I'm going to have to replace them all with the full size versions. That will be 5 copies of the Shadow Chronicles for me. 1 hardcover, 1 deluxe hard cover, 2 manga size and 1 new 8x11 size. Yes, I must own them all. I own 6 copies of the Robotech RPG Book 1 from the first version of the game.
Yes, I must say I am very, very happy about this. I love Robotech, but I will not buy the manga sized. So I have the TSC hardcover, but not the Macross or Masters book. Once they come out in full sized, I will snatch them up ASAP.
Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say "YES"!
That is the call of the deep doo-doo bird. I must fly!
Awesome! No more manga! Guess I should prepare to buy the new book.
I want to see from Palladium: Updated Aug 2015 -Rifts: Dark Woods/Deep South, Space 110 PA, Scandinavia -Mechanoids: Space (MDC) -Robotech: Errata for Marines timeline, Masters Deluxe with SC and UEEF gear, Spaceships -Updated Errata for post-2006 printings of Rifts books -Searchable, quality PDFs/E-pubs of current Rifts titles
Lt Gargoyle wrote:Hurray... well i am not expecting to see it released in october, but i am excited it will be full size when it comes out.
This is Palladium. If it's one thing they're on time with...it's the delays.
Sounds like this time around any delays will be thanks to HG though.
I am very opinionated. Yes I rub people the wrong way but at the end of the day I just enjoy good hard discussion and will gladly walk away agreeing to not agree
October is a BIG release month with 3-4 new book releases: Wow, October is shaping up to be a super-month for Palladium. The following books are all scheduled for October release:
The Rifter® #56 – in final production. Rifts® Lemuria – in final production. Robotech® New Generation™ Sourcebook – in final production. And probably Rifts® Vampires Sourcebook.
I AM SOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOPING FOR THIS ABOUT TIME
let your YES be YES and your NO be NO but plz no maybe
Go bug HG about it cuz it is essentially in thier hands after this week.
I am very opinionated. Yes I rub people the wrong way but at the end of the day I just enjoy good hard discussion and will gladly walk away agreeing to not agree
jaymz wrote:Go bug HG about it cuz it is essentially in thier hands after this week.
go on their forums and call them out on doing it. I have. asking for the Stupid Franken-mecha to go away.
Give another Gamer a hand up with his education. "By no means am I an expert on Southern Cross (I cordially detest the series)"-Seto "Truth is determined by the evidence, not some nonexistent seniority system."-Seto
jaymz wrote:Go bug HG about it cuz it is essentially in thier hands after this week.
go on their forums and call them out on doing it. I have. asking for the Stupid Franken-mecha to go away.
IMHO I would like to see it official and get the boot leg vercio9n as well and HOPING convectional military armies what left would love to see that UEF ,ASC and rouge forces as well
let your YES be YES and your NO be NO but plz no maybe
jaymz wrote:Go bug HG about it cuz it is essentially in thier hands after this week.
go on their forums and call them out on doing it. I have. asking for the Stupid Franken-mecha to go away.
IMHO I would like to see it official and get the boot leg vercio9n as well and HOPING convectional military armies what left would love to see that UEF ,ASC and rouge forces as well
Franken-Mecha has it's place but it should be in a adventure book or sumsuch not in the New Gen Book. As for the rest of your post...huh?
I am very opinionated. Yes I rub people the wrong way but at the end of the day I just enjoy good hard discussion and will gladly walk away agreeing to not agree
MikeM wrote:I don't have a problem with Franken-mecha. I just don't want it called that. Mind you I still use RDF/REF instead of UEDF/UEEF.
You and me both Mike, you and me both. The changes that have been made during the Yune reign to me have made little sense other than for Tommy to say "I did this, this was my idea"
I am very opinionated. Yes I rub people the wrong way but at the end of the day I just enjoy good hard discussion and will gladly walk away agreeing to not agree
MikeM wrote:I don't have a problem with Franken-mecha. I just don't want it called that. Mind you I still use RDF/REF instead of UEDF/UEEF.
You and me both Mike, you and me both. The changes that have been made during the Yune reign to me have made little sense other than for Tommy to say "I did this, this was my idea"
Same here. It will always be RDF/REF in my mind.
Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say "YES"!
That is the call of the deep doo-doo bird. I must fly!
Hopefully it was just a description of what was going to be in the book for Kevin's coming soon blurb, Stinger is the name Tommy ensured it was, and we are all just spinning around the axle for no reason.
I, for one, am stoked that a RT book will be coming out in Zentraedi-sized regardless of what the name of this mecha is. BTW, I still use REF/RDF too. Cant just change something like that overnight after we have been using it for 20 years.
I want to see from Palladium: Updated Aug 2015 -Rifts: Dark Woods/Deep South, Space 110 PA, Scandinavia -Mechanoids: Space (MDC) -Robotech: Errata for Marines timeline, Masters Deluxe with SC and UEEF gear, Spaceships -Updated Errata for post-2006 printings of Rifts books -Searchable, quality PDFs/E-pubs of current Rifts titles
By Kevin SiembiedaUPDATE: Robotech® New Generation Sourcebook. My editing and writing for Robotech® New Generation™ is done. Wayne is doing his edit of the final quarter of the book. The rest has been submitted to Harmony Gold for review and approval. I have assigned some of the artwork and will be assigning more. I love this book and hope final approval from Harmony Gold is quick and easy. An October release is looking solid.
finally about time need this book !!!!!!!!!
We received the finished cover art from Apollo Okamura this afternoon. It looks pretty sweet. This book is coming together nicely.finally about time need this book !!!!!!!!!
UPDATE: Robotech® Genesis Pits Sourcebook. I’m really shooting for a December, 2011 release with the Genesis Pits sourcebook. Irvin has been working on it for a while now and it is coming along nicely.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
UPDATE: Robotech® Marines Sourcebook. I want to see this book out early in 2012.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
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let your YES be YES and your NO be NO but plz no maybe
ZINO wrote:Palladium Books® Weekly Update – Sept. 15, 2011 By Kevin SiembiedaUPDATE: Robotech® New Generation Sourcebook. My editing and writing for Robotech® New Generation™ is done. Wayne is doing his edit of the final quarter of the book. The rest has been submitted to Harmony Gold for review and approval. I have assigned some of the artwork and will be assigning more. I love this book and hope final approval from Harmony Gold is quick and easy. An October release is looking solid. [translator] Look for it Jan or Fed 2012[/translator] UPDATE: Robotech® Genesis Pits Sourcebook. I’m really shooting for a December, 2011 release with the Genesis Pits sourcebook. Irvin has been working on it for a while now and it is coming along nicely.[/i] [translator] Look for it june of july 2012[/translator] UPDATE: Robotech® Marines Sourcebook. I want to see this book out early in 2012. [translator] Look for it Jan or Fed 2013[/translator]
and not a mention of the Spaceships book....
Give another Gamer a hand up with his education. "By no means am I an expert on Southern Cross (I cordially detest the series)"-Seto "Truth is determined by the evidence, not some nonexistent seniority system."-Seto
ZINO wrote:Palladium Books® Weekly Update – Sept. 15, 2011 By Kevin SiembiedaUPDATE: Robotech® New Generation Sourcebook. My editing and writing for Robotech® New Generation™ is done. Wayne is doing his edit of the final quarter of the book. The rest has been submitted to Harmony Gold for review and approval. I have assigned some of the artwork and will be assigning more. I love this book and hope final approval from Harmony Gold is quick and easy. An October release is looking solid. [translator] Look for it Jan or Fed 2012[/translator] UPDATE: Robotech® Genesis Pits Sourcebook. I’m really shooting for a December, 2011 release with the Genesis Pits sourcebook. Irvin has been working on it for a while now and it is coming along nicely.[/i] [translator] Look for it june of july 2012[/translator] UPDATE: Robotech® Marines Sourcebook. I want to see this book out early in 2012. [translator] Look for it Jan or Fed 2013[/translator]
and not a mention of the Spaceships book....
nope sorry
let your YES be YES and your NO be NO but plz no maybe
FROM KS BIG releases in October: Right now, we are on track to see the following books released in October:
The Rifter® #56 – in final production.
OK
Rifts® Lemuria – in final production.
OK
Robotech® New Generation™ Sourcebook – in final production.
YEAH!!!!
And hopefully, Rifts® Vampires Sourcebook. If not in October, then in November. Followed by Dead Reign™ Sourcebook 3, Megaverse® in Flames, Robotech® Genesis Pits™, and hopefully, Chaos Earth™: First Responders, plus some titles back in print.
YEAH!!!!
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let your YES be YES and your NO be NO but plz no maybe
ZINO wrote:Palladium Books® Weekly Update – Sept. 15, 2011 By Kevin SiembiedaUPDATE: Robotech® New Generation Sourcebook. My editing and writing for Robotech® New Generation™ is done. Wayne is doing his edit of the final quarter of the book. The rest has been submitted to Harmony Gold for review and approval. I have assigned some of the artwork and will be assigning more. I love this book and hope final approval from Harmony Gold is quick and easy. An October release is looking solid. [translator] Look for it Jan or Fed 2012[/translator] UPDATE: Robotech® Genesis Pits Sourcebook. I’m really shooting for a December, 2011 release with the Genesis Pits sourcebook. Irvin has been working on it for a while now and it is coming along nicely.[/i] [translator] Look for it june of july 2012[/translator] UPDATE: Robotech® Marines Sourcebook. I want to see this book out early in 2012. [translator] Look for it Jan or Fed 2013[/translator]
and not a mention of the Spaceships book....
LOL. So true. I still think it will be December before we see New Generation and summer before we see any other Robotech book.