Nightmask wrote: Pepsi Jedi wrote:Nightmask wrote:I guess I should point out you don't speak for anyone but yourself on these forums, and give yourself a laughable sense of entitlement to try and claim how 'anyone else reading your posts thinks the same way I do' to try and bolster your totally off-base claims.
Keep telling yourself they're off-base.
Again you aren't speaking for anyone else on this forum but yourself, you aren't some representative of the collective here, you're just you and you're just dead wrong.
Neither are you, and I think I'm right. So it's a bit of a stalemate eh?
Nightmask wrote: Pepsi Jedi wrote:Nightmask wrote: You don't even have the sense be able to tell the difference between a class and a MA insisting that you're combining classes by having a Hunter/Vigilante take as an ALTERNATIVE combat training Moo Gi Gong instead of the standard MA of the class. If you bothered to actually look at what classes in N&SS have Moo Gi Gong available to them you'd also see that many have considerably more skills to go with them than the Hunter/Vigilante does
Yes, but those are classes from Ninja's and Superspies. Not from HU, and you're acting like it's a forgone conclusion, it's not, it's an optional ruling, that your GM may or may not allow.
I'm not acting like anything, I'm merely pointing out that Moo Gi Gong training for a Hunter/Vigilante is by no means twinkish or some kind of absurd add-on for the Power Category as you keep insisting. He's a HUNTER, he's trained to FIGHT and KILL,
Really? You're fighting the deer, or the rams, or the bears? You're trained to fight um and kill um? Here I thought it was trained to hunt um and shoot um.
Lets see. Disguise Scent....
Trap snare small animals....
Modify weapon cartridges...
Quick Draw Initiative, on either hand guns or rifles. Not both.
WP Sharpshooter. on only one type weapon.
So... no. He's a HUNTER. He's trained to hunt. And while you can shoot a human with the skills, and in theory that is where the hunter ended up, that's not the origin of his training. The origin is out in the woods or the jungle, hunting animals, that he is NOW using on human prey. The write up states this clearly, that the urban envrioment is strange and new to the hunter, and not his native environment for the use of his skills.
Nightmask wrote: a MA centered around fighting and killing with weapons is completely reasonable for the power category. Given he's lost 2 attacks/turn
the 'loss of two attacks thing" is pretty much outdated thinking. in RUE the attacks are just rolled into the martial arts now. So you should just go ahead and add in the 2 for N&SS. Yes I'm aware in the 80s when N&SS came out it was different, but the rules have changed since then.
Nightmask wrote: and is fairly helpless if he's unable to find something to use as a weapon he's not even close to being exceptionally powerful.
Not really. Just glancing at it, you get added PE PP SDC Roll with punch fall impact, maintain balance, leap, back flip, roll, dodge, parry , auto parry, multiple dodge, strike, knife hand, backhand, kick attack, crescent kick, backward sweep, jump kick, death blow, leap attack, Pull punch, knock out stun, critical strike, and critical strike from the rear, one body hardening power, Korean.
Not exactly helpless with out a weapon, and much more in depth and stronger than Martial Arts out of the Heroes Unlimited book. That's not even going into the weapons stuff yet.
Nightmask wrote: When you're making 2 attacks and everyone else is doing 4-6 attacks
I know I've only just replied to this, in this post, but the other two attacks are pretty universally rolled in. I've never, in 20 years of playing Palladium, and going to dozens of RP conventions, and played in countless rp groups, including clubs in college and such, ever had a group not give the 2 attacks that every other palladium system gets, to N&SS stuff. Not once. I'm sure there are some out there that don't. But all the ones I've --ever-- encountered do, and it's as far as I know, just accepted now with RUE out and how the martial arts are written up in there. (( it was back in the 80s and 90s too but more so now))
Nightmask wrote: and your weapons are generally doing equal or less damage than your teammates
Well the weapons still do as much as they do. it's just like.. picking up a magazine or some paperclips or something as improv'd weapons that are weaker, right? You're acctually doing a bit better with normal weapons.
Nightmask wrote: you're by no means going to be running around owning anyone especially when your opponents have twice to triple the number of attacks you do.
Pepsi Jedi wrote:Nightmask wrote: so trying to make it out as if the Hunter/Vigilante having that MA is 'twinkish' is just absurd, and while Moo Gi Gong is a companion MA to Hwang Do Karate it's clearly capable of standing on its own and says so in the book.
Doing it the way you're advocating and explaining, is. You're only grabbing it for the weapon preferences and "anything as a weapon" Reasoning. Nothing more.
No, that's how you keep insisting it is, and ignoring saliant points such as the power category being about hunting targets and killing them, it's the entire point of the class. Of course its going to be a weapons-heavy class. You might have an argument if someone were trying to select Moo Gi Gong for their Stage Magician, a non-combat oriented power category, but not when it comes to a very combat-oriented class.
The "hunter" Isn't about getting up and "Fighting" Their targets. They're about hunting and shooting them. As.... every thing in the class points out.
Nightmask wrote: Pepsi Jedi wrote:Nightmask wrote:When it comes down to the type of player, based on your posts I doubt you'd find many interested in seeing you at the same table as them. You don't come off as one who's 'you play your character and I'll play mine' instead it's all 'hey your character isn't playing how I think you should play it and has things I don't think it should have that's annoying me!'. Doesn't sound like you play well with others at all.
I do, but like most (I'm guessing) I play with others that see the rules like I do for the most part. And I generally don't play with twinks, or children. (( Any longer. I did when I was a child)). The people I play with would probably laugh you from the table. Conversely I probably wouldn't fit in your games if all your friends make char's and do stuff your way. But that's ok. I wouldn't want to.
You've such an inflated sense of ego it's a wonder anyone bothers playing with you at all.
It's not inflated. I've said I doubt I'd play with your group if they're like you. Just as my group would mock you and drive you off for your playstyle.
Nightmask wrote:
The people you play with would more likely go 'wow talk about an excellent game, great Role-playing last night' if I were in the game, and laugh you from the table insisting all the while that 'No really I speak for all of you and you have to agree with me that a guy I've never role-played with is a twink because I see twinks everywhere'.
They might. If they shared your twinkish mindset and generally unpleasant demeanor. *nods* Again, different groups for different types. If your group is like you, and plays as you do, it's a group of twinks and thusly all is well in your game world. Silly, but fun for you.
Nightmask wrote: Pepsi Jedi wrote:Nightmask wrote:Go look up the definition of what a twink is, so you can actually use it where it applies.
I've asked before, so I'll ask again. How do you define twink, as it pertains to role playing? Lay it out for me. We may have different understandings of the word.
Now see, given you're the one calling everything twinkish it is you who has to explain what you mean by it, because everyone else is going 'huh? What's he talking about?'. Clearly given all the responses have been 'what do you mean it's twinkish?' as the response our definition of twink is obviously different from yours, so enlighten us.
So again, you don't know what a twink is. You just don't think you are one. I've asked more than once how you define it.. and you're just going 'No I'm not one.. but.. .I refuse to say what I think it is".
If you don't know. Just say you don't know man. You're the one claiming you're not one, and you know the definition. I've asked you twice. Why you dancing around it and trying to dodge?
Nightmask wrote: Pepsi Jedi wrote:Nightmask wrote:As is you've been tossing it around without any foundation to it just to use it as an inflammatory term.
I know my foundation but I'm curious as to your own.
Too bad no one else knows what your foundation is and you've made no effort to explain how you define it compared to the standard definition.
I've shown what I think a twink is. You're saying I'm wrong, but refuse, upon repeated request to define it.
I don't think you know what it is. You just don't think you are one.
Nightmask wrote: Pepsi Jedi wrote:Nightmask wrote:and dealing with opponents it's quite contrary to be in this thread insisting on how it's just too much for someone to be a Hunter/Vigilante with Moo Gi Gong which improves his combat effectiveness. Seems like you just comment to argue rather than out of anything consistent given how you contradict yourself and focus only on ROLL-playing over ROLE-playing.
Not at all. lol I just don't see you guys as the second types. Might you surprise me if we actually sat down and played? Sure. But it'd be a surprise. Your posts have shown me something different.
My posts haven't shown you anything.
Oh I think they have. They've spoken quite clearly to your mindset and how you approach the game.
Nightmask wrote: Roleplaying is completely distinct from holding a conversation and discussing an issue with someone. There has been no roleplaying here so you've got nothing to base your comments on.
I see the twinkish crap you do for character creation, I'm basing my comments on that.
Nightmask wrote: Pepsi Jedi wrote:Nightmask wrote:would have me killing his character off in friendly fire REALLY fast so I could get to actually role-playing and enjoying the game.
Killing off other char's in friendly fire. *nods* Yep. You'd be AWESOME to play with.
Don't go leaving off 'player is being disruptive and ruining the game play experience' part,
No. I realize that's what you'd do.I'd just kick you out of the RP group for being a jerk. lol
Nightmask wrote: for which you'd be hard pressed to find players who wouldn't kill off someone who was ruining the game for them being a twit.
No. Not really. The groups I play with are generaly friends. If it's a random group at a convention or something and someone came along like you and started wacking other members of the game "REALLY FAST" so they could get to their own personal enjoyment of the game... I don't think they'd last too long either.
Nightmask wrote: If anything I've seen much bragging at time from people about how 'yeah he was just ruining the game so we killed his character to teach him a lesson'.
I've not seen that. It sounds like a pretty juvenile thing to do with someone you're getting together to recreate with. If I had that much of a problem with someone. I'd speak to them about it. if they failed to change what ever behavior I had that much of a problem with.. I simply wouldn't choose to spend my free time playing with them.
Your response seems to be one of bullying and punishing your friends or people you're playing with. I'd try and talk to them like an adult. Or just not waste my time and energy on playing with someone I didn't like that much.
Nightmask wrote:
In any case I'm done with this, you're just posting to insult and inflate your post count (not sure why anyone would but apparently some find that a prize to shoot for) and contributing nothing of value as you pretend to yourself that your opinion is everyone's opinion when it's just your own and all you've been getting is people disagreeing with you and none agreeing with you.
No. I'm countering your side of the debate. There's a difference. I really don't care about post counts. If I did I could post 100s of times a day to the sound off and not even look like I was trying to pump the count. I rather think such things are silly.
I know it might be an alien concept to you, but someone disagreeing with you doesn't have to have ulterior motive. Past just thinking your wrong.
You claim not to be a twink and feel I'm Sooooooooooooo wrong to say so, but when asked repeatedly what you think one is, as we may have different views on it, you refuse to answer. That should tell ya something Nightmask.