Rune Sword + Spell Light Blade

[Ice Dragon]

So if your rune sword has the ability to cast the spell Light Blade can it be used to cove the rune sword and the weapon a combined higher damage.

e.g Rune Weapon 4D6 + Light Blade 1D4x10+6(for level of the spell) => so the min. damage would 20 and the max damage 70.

What do you thing?

[JuliusCreed]

So if your rune sword has the ability to cast the spell Light Blade can it be used to cove the rune sword and the weapon a combined higher damage.

e.g Rune Weapon 4D6 + Light Blade 1D4x10+6(for level of the spell) => so the min. damage would 20 and the max damage 70.

What do you thing?

Personally, I'd allow it. I've created several myself with similar capabilities, such as a Rune sword with psionics. Its 2 super Psi powers were Catatonic Strike and Psi-Sword. If Psi-Sword was activated, the wielder had the option of having it created in his off hand for a paired weapon attack/defense or it could be created around the Rune Sword itself for greater damage capability. I did rule however that if the Psi-Sword was created around the weapon it couldn't use its Catatonic Strike ability to keep the weapon from going too far over the top. Worked out pretty well.

[Nekira Sudacne]

Yes, all damage and bonus's from all sources stack in palladium.

[Killer Cyborg]

So if your rune sword has the ability to cast the spell Light Blade can it be used to cove the rune sword and the weapon a combined higher damage.

e.g Rune Weapon 4D6 + Light Blade 1D4x10+6(for level of the spell) => so the min. damage would 20 and the max damage 70.

What do you thing?

As a rule, no, it wouldn't work.

As a special ability for a specific house-created sword?
Sure. Why not?

[JuliusCreed]

So if your rune sword has the ability to cast the spell Light Blade can it be used to cove the rune sword and the weapon a combined higher damage.

e.g Rune Weapon 4D6 + Light Blade 1D4x10+6(for level of the spell) => so the min. damage would 20 and the max damage 70.

What do you thing?

As a rule, no, it wouldn't work.

As a special ability for a specific house-created sword?
Sure. Why not?

What ruling says it won't work, if I may be so bold?

[Killer Cyborg]

So if your rune sword has the ability to cast the spell Light Blade can it be used to cove the rune sword and the weapon a combined higher damage.

e.g Rune Weapon 4D6 + Light Blade 1D4x10+6(for level of the spell) => so the min. damage would 20 and the max damage 70.

What do you thing?

As a rule, no, it wouldn't work.

As a special ability for a specific house-created sword?
Sure. Why not?

What ruling says it won't work, if I may be so bold?

The description of the spell Light Blade.
It creates a sword, not a sword-cozy with stackable damage.

Also, it creates a sword with a size and shape that depends on the caster's level, so you'd have to have a changeable runesword or the cozy would either be two short, or two long most of the time.

[Ice Dragon]

So if your rune sword has the ability to cast the spell Light Blade can it be used to cove the rune sword and the weapon a combined higher damage.

e.g Rune Weapon 4D6 + Light Blade 1D4x10+6(for level of the spell) => so the min. damage would 20 and the max damage 70.

What do you thing?

As a rule, no, it wouldn't work.

As a special ability for a specific house-created sword?
Sure. Why not?

What ruling says it won't work, if I may be so bold?

The description of the spell Light Blade.
It creates a sword, not a sword-cozy with stackable damage.

Also, it creates a sword with a size and shape that depends on the caster's level, so you'd have to have a changeable runesword or the cozy would either be two short, or two long most of the time.

On the other hand, the rune sword is casting the spell - so the level is fixed and will not change (e.g. Level 6 for greater rune weapons and Level 10 for greates).

The spell description says, that it is cast in the spell caster dominant hand. So if you are hold the rune weapon in your dominant hand, the light sword will be created "over" the rune weapon, in case of the lesser hand, you will have to weapons - the light sword in your dominant hand and the rune weapon in the other.

[Killer Cyborg]

The description of the spell Light Blade.
It creates a sword, not a sword-cozy with stackable damage.

Also, it creates a sword with a size and shape that depends on the caster's level, so you'd have to have a changeable runesword or the cozy would either be two short, or two long most of the time.

On the other hand, the rune sword is casting the spell - so the level is fixed and will not change (e.g. Level 6 for greater rune weapons and Level 10 for greates).

Fair point there.

The spell description says, that it is cast in the spell caster dominant hand.

And since the Rune Sword is the caster, and it has no hand, the spell doesn't work, going by RAW.

So if you are hold the rune weapon in your dominant hand, the light sword will be created "over" the rune weapon, in case of the lesser hand, you will have to weapons - the light sword in your dominant hand and the rune weapon in the other.

There's no rules allowing the light sword to manifest "over" the rune weapon.
Similarly, if you're holding a sword, and you cast Throwing Stones, it does not mean that your runesword suddenly has a stone covering the hilt.
If you're holding a baseball bat, and you cast Frost Blade, you do not now have a baseball bat surrounded by a 4' long magic sword.
If you're holding a pistol, and you cast Fire Globe, you do not have a fire globe with a pistol in middle. Nor do you have a pistol that fires fire globes, or anything else like that. If anything, you just have a melted pistol.
Nor can you summon a Phantom Mount over an ordinary horse in order to give that horse more power.
Nor can you Summon Canines around yourself in order to have dog-armor, and extra damage to your bite attack.
There is nothing in the rules to allow summoned objects to appear over and enhance other objects.
Any exceptions are generally noted as such.

None of which is to say that I think it's criminal to rule that the sword in question works as you desire.
Just that it's not strictly legal- there are no rules allowing for it to happen, and there are reasons why it shouldn't/couldn't happen according to the actual rules.
If you want to play it the way you describe, more power to you- have fun.
Everybody house-rules stuff.

[drewkitty ~..~]

The spell description says, that it is cast in the spell caster dominant hand. So if you are hold the rune weapon in your dominant hand, the light sword will be created "over" the rune weapon, in case of the lesser hand, you will have to weapons - the light sword in your dominant hand and the rune weapon in the other.

The spell will not work because there is something in the way of the spell working, in the above situation.


Now if it was a slightly modified spell that lets you add the spell to a weapon, then the above situation would work.

[wyrmraker]

At the very least, it would give your rune sword's base damage a bump to the Lightblade damage, as well as allow you to parry with that damage (solid core). Personally, I would love to have the ability to parry in an energy blade

[13eowulf]

Just gonna put this out there, but if the sword is casting the spell, would the lightblade not extend from the hilt of the sword creating a double sword weapon not unlike this.

Not that I dont like the idea of overlaying the two, or the duel wield. Just kinda surprised no one brought this up before.

[Tor]

I think there's a pretty strong indication that if a rune weapon has spells, they are allowed to be cast on the caster.

There would be a lot of 'self' spells (perhaps something like Breath Without Air?) which would make no sense for rune weapons to have if they only worked on the weapon (since they don't breath anyway).

If we find one example of this I'd say it's grounds to rule that it's the weapon's master who casts the spell and that the rune weapon, sentient as it may be, functions more as a talisman.