cornholioprime wrote:The Beast wrote:cornholioprime wrote:Actually, Sub-Demons (so far, the Brodkil and the Gargoyles) are Creatures Of Magic, not True Supernatural Creatures like the rest of Palladium Demonkind.
(Technically, only those Gargoyle sub-species with innate magical powers would be classified as Creatures Of Magic.)
As such, while their MDC bodies would be able to withstand hard vacuum, they would still need to breathe in space.
Revised SB1 says brodkil are supernatural creatures (
DB10 says the same about gargoyles.). The reason they can get bionics is because they have limited bio-regeneration (which I take to mean that they can't regenerate lost limbs).
You shall, I think, soon come to understand that a whole lot of Authors -Kevin included -throw around the word "supernatural" a whole lot more than it should be -hell, I remember at least one occasion off the top of my head where one Author even called psionics "supernatural" (it was either C.J. Carella in one of his books or Pat Nowak in Psyscape, I believe).
Again, all Creatures of Magic are 'supernatural' creatures.
But not all supernatural creatures, are Creatures Of Magic.
No, I don't think so.
Excerpts from books:
Mindworks
Psinetics
The Angel of Death has made and/or outfitted entire armies of brodkil, ogres and gurgoyles
with psynetic and bionic augmentation.
Psynetic implants and most cybernetic systems will NOT work on
powerful supernatural beings, shape-changers and creatures of magic.
Sourcebook 1
Brodkil a sub demon from alien dimension.
note:Because Brodkil have no supernatural, psionic or magic powers, they can benefit from bionic weapons and implants without ill effect other than losing the ability to turn invisible.
magic spells R:UE
Constrain Being
This Invocation is useful for controlling lesser supernatural creatures.
such as most entities, sub-demons (Gargoyles and Brodkil included).
Note: Possessing Entities and greater supernatural beings are not affected by this magic,
nor are non-supernatural beings such as dragons, Faerie Folk, or mortal
humans. D-Bees, or aliens.
Desiccate the Supernatural R:UE
Only supernatural beings, good or evil, including
spirits in physical form, sub-demons (Gargoyles, Brodkil, etc.),
demons, Ileevils, Elementals, Spirits of Light, demigods, godlings,
gods, avatars (the life essences of Alien Intelligences, including vampires), angels, and others. It is important to note that the sphinx, dragons, unicorns, Faerie Folk and a handful of other superhuman beings
possessing supernatural strength and abilities, but known as creatures
of magic, are not supernatural creatures (they are more magical than supernatural,
or at least not in the same way as demons and gods) and are
immune to this magic.
Gargoyles and Brodkil cannot be creatures of magic, references I find most describing them is sub-demon and supernatural not once does any of them say 'creature of magic' referring to Brodkil or Gargoyles.
So HOW can Brodkil and Gargoyles be listed as being affected by those items yet at the same time those listed excludes creatures of magic being affected by them.
This is not just Authors throwing around the word 'supernatural' this is them including said creatures BY NAME and listing that these items CANNOT affect 'creatures of magic'.
Exactly what book says they are creatures of Magic, I have never seen them referenced as such in any of them yet.
Maybe that will explain it better than
Again, all Creatures of Magic are 'supernatural' creatures.
But not all supernatural creatures, are Creatures Of Magic
And while i was looking around trying to find any verification on this creatures of magic issue i found this..
April 29, 2005:
Killer Cyborg wrote:cornholioprime wrote:Okay, I'll bite.
Gargoyle Mages, classified as Supernatural Creatures (the entire Gargoyle Species is collectively classified thus), should be classified as Creatures of Magic instead (has innate Earth Warlock Spells, and is flesh and blood).....
hmm...
Gargoyle Mages, according to CB1, p. 200, are "endowed with natural magic abilities
through a supernatural link with elemental forces. These powers are similar to the human elemental warlock except their magic is limited to one area of elemental magic: Earth."
Which suggests that they're not born with special powers, that they get their power in the same way that a Witch, Shifter, or Warlock does.
Also:
"These powers and the lord's ability to turn into living stone would suggest that gargoyles are somehow related to elementals."
Could be interpreted to mean that they are relatives of elementals, making them something other than normal "Flesh and blood"...
But I could also see it just refer to a more metaphysical connection.
I pretty much believe now it is just Cornholio's own belief and not anything from the books.
Dulce bellum inexpertis.