What happens after the Minion War?

[89er]

With Megaverse in Flames coming around the corner, some speculation could be used to see what is in store for the future of Rifts Earth?

Such questions include:

+Will this turn the CS for the better or worst?

+What new forces will come into play during the reconstruction?

+Who will rise and who will fall?

+Can the Megaverse ever recover from this war?

[Icefalcon]

I would like to see the Coalition taken down a few notches to counter their advance across the continent. Either that or they could reconcile with spell casters and other "outlaws" so that there could be a banding together of the major powers of the continent. There is going to have to be some major cooperation of the powers of Rifts Earth if they are going to survive the invasion.

[Damian Magecraft]

I cant really speculate until I see what Megaverse in Flames has to show us.

[DhAkael]

-Meh-gaverse in flames was supposed to be out LAST december.
As you can see, it is still in PRODUCTION, and not even close to the printers.
Ergo, none of us have a [censored] clue as to what will happen / is happening / has happend in the meta-plotz.
I am rapidly becoming more and more apathetic to the whole series and could care less.
Either the CS dies (as it should), grows up & kills off the prossekes and their sycophantic swarm of yes men generals so they can forge some alliances with non-humans, or its plot immunity has the neo-nazi's explode with another phantom army from nowhere across the entirety of North-Am and wins teh daze.

Frankly; unless there is some serious game-changing material in this book worthy of it being delayed for a year, PBooks will yet again fail to gain access to my bank account on another failed project (Seige of Tolkeen anyone?).

[Athos]

Megaverse in Flames was due out long before last December, if you don't believe me, look at some of the dates for its release in old Rifters...

Rifter 49, said it ships in June... and that was 2010 !!!

I have given up on this series, it might have been relevant 2 years ago, but now I agree with Dhakael, who really cares?

[Witchcraft]

I've gotta be honest. Without the book "Megaverse in Flames" I've made up a metric ass ton of my own personal material and employ it as canon. When the book is released I'll incorporate what ideas I like and include those that enmesh seamlessly with my own. That, to me, is what is so wonderful about. Palladium. In my personal adaptation, the Coalition is so blinded by their xenophobic fear and hatred that they are forced into a corner of cooperation or capitulation. Deevils are treacherous and subversive and incredibly ingenious and resourceful. I don't wanna say too much more and give it all away.

[ffranceschi]

I'd like to see a book about a civil-war in the NGR

I hope not. It could be the end of the NGR!

[ffranceschi]

I would like to see the Coalition taken down a few notches to counter their advance across the continent. Either that or they could reconcile with spell casters and other "outlaws" so that there could be a banding together of the major powers of the continent. There is going to have to be some major cooperation of the powers of Rifts Earth if they are going to survive the invasion.

Don't stall their advance...I want the CS versus FoM war and the CS & Free Quebec versus Vampire Kingdoms war!

[Mech-Viper Prime]

I'd like to see a book about a civil-war in the NGR

I hope not. It could be the end of the NGR!

I knew I would, start of a raise of humanity series, who the human kingdom start getting nasty with all the non-humans

[Pepsi Jedi]

Hints have pointed out that the 'world' and the "Coalition states" will be changed after the war. So we'll see. Being attacked by armies of demons and devils and stuff likely won't make the CS like DBees or magic users more. Unless Lazlo or something bails their bacon out of a big fight or something. Even then I suspect it'd be more of an "Enemy of my Enemy is my friend" Thing.

I believe the original intention was to have it start in Calgary and the kingdom of Demons. Whom at last notice were fighting Larsen's Brigade. So hopefully we'll see them as well.

I expect the war will boil through the rifts and one side or the other will attack the CS, wich will trigger their mobilization to retaliate against this attack out of nowhere. They'll take some losses Might even lose a large number of forces to show the fight is a 'tough' one. I'm just curious if they're going to team up with other forces to push it back.

My thing is... how 'big' can it be. The tolkeen war took 7 books. This one is going to be started and finished in one. That's going to be a lot of summary being done.

[Damian Magecraft]

Hints have pointed out that the 'world' and the "Coalition states" will be changed after the war. So we'll see. Being attacked by armies of demons and devils and stuff likely won't make the CS like DBees or magic users more. Unless Lazlo or something bails their bacon out of a big fight or something. Even then I suspect it'd be more of an "Enemy of my Enemy is my friend" Thing.

I believe the original intention was to have it start in Calgary and the kingdom of Demons. Whom at last notice were fighting Larsen's Brigade. So hopefully we'll see them as well.

I expect the war will boil through the rifts and one side or the other will attack the CS, wich will trigger their mobilization to retaliate against this attack out of nowhere. They'll take some losses Might even lose a large number of forces to show the fight is a 'tough' one. I'm just curious if they're going to team up with other forces to push it back.

My thing is... how 'big' can it be. The tolkeen war took 7 books. This one is going to be started and finished in one. That's going to be a lot of summary being done.

well technically it is 5 or 6 books since it encompasses several realms of the megaverse.
But I see your point one book to cover just one realm was barely enough for HU and PW. (imho)

[Pepsi Jedi]

Hints have pointed out that the 'world' and the "Coalition states" will be changed after the war. So we'll see. Being attacked by armies of demons and devils and stuff likely won't make the CS like DBees or magic users more. Unless Lazlo or something bails their bacon out of a big fight or something. Even then I suspect it'd be more of an "Enemy of my Enemy is my friend" Thing.

I believe the original intention was to have it start in Calgary and the kingdom of Demons. Whom at last notice were fighting Larsen's Brigade. So hopefully we'll see them as well.

I expect the war will boil through the rifts and one side or the other will attack the CS, wich will trigger their mobilization to retaliate against this attack out of nowhere. They'll take some losses Might even lose a large number of forces to show the fight is a 'tough' one. I'm just curious if they're going to team up with other forces to push it back.

My thing is... how 'big' can it be. The tolkeen war took 7 books. This one is going to be started and finished in one. That's going to be a lot of summary being done.

well technically it is 5 or 6 books since it encompasses several realms of the megaverse.
But I see your point one book to cover just one realm was barely enough for HU and PW. (imho)

Yeah I ment 'On rifts earth'. Sorry I wasn't more clear.

I'm sort of looking forward to the "changes" What ever they may be. Shake things up a bit. If people are hoping for the CS to go away though, I don't think they will. They might take one on the chin, but I expect the Armies they are preparing to go take on the bugs will be rolled into service for the Minion war.

I'm curious if the demons and devils will take out the bugs for us. Or at least knock them back to a manageable level. If the CS manuvers the Demons and Devils into the hive lands and use the Xits as a weapon it'd be cool too.

[Cyber-Knight]

Having Atlantis eat a big one would be nice as well. It's a bit tiring having this super-power on Rifts Earth which can do whatever it wants, destroy whoever it wants, but doesn't... because. They should have Splynncryth's three other planets get blown to Hell and his forces on Atlantis reduced to a fraction of what they are. He'll still be powerful, but not as overwhelmingly powerful as before, and Atlantis will be all he'll have. IMO, having his power reduced to, say, five times that of the NGR and Coalition would be just about right. He can still overwhelm those two major powers, but he can't take on the entire planet.

[Sureshot]

Delaying the book was a mistake imo. All the minion war series should have been released one afterthe other to capitalize on the interest the fans had in the series. As for changes. I don't expect to see any. The CS will suffer from plot and script iimmunity due to their populairty with the fanbase. The rest of the good aligned factions don;'seem to trust each other so they won't band toghther to change anything. Or are written as being fiercly indepandant to a silly degree. While thinking they can take on all comers. If the good factions would band toghter we might see some of the evil factions taking a step back. It's not going to happen. After all in Rifts only the bad guys trust each other no matter the alignement. So unless Kevin wants to implement so major changes in the background I'm expecting another Rifts Aftermath. Very little minor changes to the world yet the status quo stays the same. No matter what happened. Do I want to be surprised yes. Am i wary after the lack of any changes post Sot. Hell yeah.

[Sureshot]

Having Atlantis eat a big one would be nice as well. It's a bit tiring having this super-power on Rifts Earth which can do whatever it wants, destroy whoever it wants, but doesn't... because. They should have Splynncryth's three other planets get blown to Hell and his forces on Atlantis reduced to a fraction of what they are. He'll still be powerful, but not as overwhelmingly powerful as before, and Atlantis will be all he'll have. IMO, having his power reduced to, say, five times that of the NGR and Coalition would be just about right. He can still overwhelm those two major powers, but he can't take on the entire planet.

Here the thing though. If Atlantis faces such an enemy and is reduced in power whats to stop the enemy from wiping out the rest of the faction on Rifts eaerth. If the super enemy for lack of a better name can psuh back atlantis what makes anyone think that someone like the Cs or the NGR or anyone else can stop them. Posters need to factor that in before asking for Atlantis to be reduced in power. If it's a good force so much the better. If it's a evil force Rifts Earth is imo screwed.

[ffranceschi]

Having Atlantis eat a big one would be nice as well. It's a bit tiring having this super-power on Rifts Earth which can do whatever it wants, destroy whoever it wants, but doesn't... because. They should have Splynncryth's three other planets get blown to Hell and his forces on Atlantis reduced to a fraction of what they are. He'll still be powerful, but not as overwhelmingly powerful as before, and Atlantis will be all he'll have. IMO, having his power reduced to, say, five times that of the NGR and Coalition would be just about right. He can still overwhelm those two major powers, but he can't take on the entire planet.

Here the thing though. If Atlantis faces such an enemy and is reduced in power whats to stop the enemy from wiping out the rest of the faction on Rifts eaerth. If the super enemy for lack of a better name can psuh back atlantis what makes anyone think that someone like the Cs or the NGR or anyone else can stop them. Posters need to factor that in before asking for Atlantis to be reduced in power. If it's a good force so much the better. If it's a evil force Rifts Earth is imo screwed.

You are right but I still like the idea of Atlantis becoming less powerful.

[Cyber-Knight]

Here the thing though. If Atlantis faces such an enemy and is reduced in power whats to stop the enemy from wiping out the rest of the faction on Rifts eaerth. If the super enemy for lack of a better name can psuh back atlantis what makes anyone think that someone like the Cs or the NGR or anyone else can stop them. Posters need to factor that in before asking for Atlantis to be reduced in power. If it's a good force so much the better. If it's a evil force Rifts Earth is imo screwed.

The fact that by taking such a toll on Atlantis they will, in turn, be massively weakened. Let's say you have an extradimensional demonic force invading the Earth. They spread out over the globe equally. That's not going to work out too well for them, though, because there are parts of the globe which are more powerful than others, particularly Atlantis. So those forces are going to have to pull troops from other theaters of war, like against the Coalition and the NGR, and send them into Atlantis. This would help preserve both the CS and NGR while weakening Atlantis even more. And most important of all, a resolution which results in a vastly weakened Atlantis means that Atlantis had to win that battle. So all those demonic attackers who assaulted Atlantis are all dead, meaning that they can't then turn around and attack the Coalition or anyone else.

So yeah, a weakened Atlantis makes perfect sense, because whatever toll which can be inflicted on Atlantis to reduce it so drastically in power, Atlantis could probably inflict more damage on that enemy in return, given that they managed to come out on top.

[cornholioprime]

Having Atlantis eat a big one would be nice as well. It's a bit tiring having this super-power on Rifts Earth which can do whatever it wants, destroy whoever it wants, but doesn't... because. They should have Splynncryth's three other planets get blown to Hell and his forces on Atlantis reduced to a fraction of what they are. He'll still be powerful, but not as overwhelmingly powerful as before, and Atlantis will be all he'll have. IMO, having his power reduced to, say, five times that of the NGR and Coalition would be just about right. He can still overwhelm those two major powers, but he can't take on the entire planet.

There is no sensical scenario that somehow has the denizens of Hades and Dyval decimating the Splugorth, but inexplicably leaving the rest of the planet unscathed.

More than likely, if such a scenario did come to pass (there's no evidence at all that says that the Deevils and Demons are going to follow the "treaty" between the Sploogs and the rest of the Megaversal Powers -in fact they might even relish the chaos), while Atlantis could conceivably get decimated, every one else would presumably, also, get knocked down......and for those smaller powers, they might end up suffering even more than does the Coalition.

It would be sort of like the way that a 6.0 earthquake in Japan or the United States barely makes "tremor experienced" people stop what they're doing.....but that same 6.0 temblor in Azerbaijan would probably kill a few hundred thousand people.

[Cyber-Knight]

There is no sensical scenario that somehow has the denizens of Hades and Dyval decimating the Splugorth, but inexplicably leaving the rest of the planet unscathed.

Who says anything about leaving the rest of the planet unscathed? Look at my above post. Atlantis is the toughest nut to crack on the planet, so that's going to require them pouring the majority of their forces into Atlantis to defeat them. If Atlantis wins that battle then not only are all those forces prevented from sweeping across the rest of Rifts Earth, but Atlantis will likely be massively weakened in turn due to having born the brunt of the majority of the invading forces.

[cornholioprime]

There is no sensical scenario that somehow has the denizens of Hades and Dyval decimating the Splugorth, but inexplicably leaving the rest of the planet unscathed.

Who says anything about leaving the rest of the planet unscathed? Look at my above post. Atlantis is the toughest nut to crack on the planet, so that's going to require them pouring the majority of their forces into Atlantis to defeat them. If Atlantis wins that battle then not only are all those forces prevented from sweeping across the rest of Rifts Earth, but Atlantis will likely be massively weakened in turn due to having born the brunt of the majority of the invading forces.

Given the ultra-massive numbers that the Deevils and Demons can bring to bear from throughout the Megaverse, what makes you think that they can't assign massive numbers to Atlantis while still being able to field comparatively smaller but still numerically devastating forces to other areas of this one tiny planet?

[Cyber-Knight]

Well, I'm not too familiar with this event, but given that it's called "Megaverse in Flames", their numbers can't be unlimited if they're attacking all over the Megaverse.

Basically, you can't assume that they unlocked the Infinite Army code before they started the battle because, if they did, then everyone's dead no matter what. So obviously the number of troops they have for the invasion of Rifts Earth is finite. And given just how powerful a threat Atlantis is, they're going to have to divert a large proportion of those forces to Atlantis. There's simply no way that the forces sent against the Coalition or the NGR are going to be anywhere near as strong as those sent against Atlantis. Depending on what their numerical constraints are, it may be that they didn't put enough troops into completely overwhelming the Coalition and the NGR so that they could put in that much extra force into destroying Atlantis. Or the troops sent against those other nations may not be intended to destroy those countries, but their purpose is to instead tie them up in combat and distract them so that they can't come to the aid of Atlantis, with the plan being to destroy Atlantis and then take those remaining forces and sweep across the Earth. So if Atlantis can defeat those forces sent against them then those forces would then be prevented from ravaging the rest of Rifts Earth. That doesn't mean that the rest of the planet emerges from the attack unscathed, but it does mean that A) Rifts Earth survives, due to the one superpower they have on the planet absorbing the brunt of the invasion, and B) Atlantis is drastically weakened in power as a result.

I don't see how anyone could consider that an unrealistic course of events. Anyone launching a planetary invasion of Rifts Earth is going to HAVE to focus the majority of their forces on Atlantis. Only three things can happen after that. Either A) They defeat Atlantis and sweep across the rest of the planet, B) They defeat Atlantis but are weakened so badly that they no longer have the strength to take on everyone else, or C) Atlantis beats them back.

[Pepsi Jedi]

Having Atlantis eat a big one would be nice as well. It's a bit tiring having this super-power on Rifts Earth which can do whatever it wants, destroy whoever it wants, but doesn't... because. They should have Splynncryth's three other planets get blown to Hell and his forces on Atlantis reduced to a fraction of what they are. He'll still be powerful, but not as overwhelmingly powerful as before, and Atlantis will be all he'll have. IMO, having his power reduced to, say, five times that of the NGR and Coalition would be just about right. He can still overwhelm those two major powers, but he can't take on the entire planet.

Here the thing though. If Atlantis faces such an enemy and is reduced in power whats to stop the enemy from wiping out the rest of the faction on Rifts eaerth. If the super enemy for lack of a better name can psuh back atlantis what makes anyone think that someone like the Cs or the NGR or anyone else can stop them. Posters need to factor that in before asking for Atlantis to be reduced in power. If it's a good force so much the better. If it's a evil force Rifts Earth is imo screwed.

Well in theory, the powers needed to take out the three planets worth of backup would also reduce the attacker's ability's to something managable. I.E. they lose just as many troops and reduce their own combat effectiveness.

[Cyber-Knight]

Well in theory, the powers needed to take out the three planets worth of backup would also reduce the attacker's ability's to something managable. I.E. they lose just as many troops and reduce their own combat effectiveness.

Precisely. Anyone who takes on Atlantis isn't going to emerge from that battle unscathed. They're going to get massively mauled in return. Depending on the strength of their forces, the damage they'll sustain in return may leave them too weak to continue attacking Rifts Earth. Just look at what forces Splynncryth has at his disposal.

- 1-7 Splugorth (Splynncryth and whatever visiting Splugorth are available, assuming they're willing or forced to fight)
- 3,000,000 High Lords
- 100,000 Conservators
- 21,000,000 Overlords
- 6,600,000 Powerlords
- 1,100,000 Slavers
- 5,800,000 Blind Warrior Women
- 10,000,000 Kitani
- 3,200,000 Metzla
- 24 Elder Dragons
- 120 Adult Dragons
- 1,056 Hatchling Dragons
- 250,000 Maxi-Men
- 1,000,000 Tattooed Men
- 500,000 Gargoyles
- 12,000 Sunaj Assassins

And that's before counting all the various power armor and robots wielded by the Kittani, like their 10 Dragon Dreadnoughts, as well as the forces which Splynncryth has on his three other planets and which can come pouring in at any moment, and which may very well dwarf the forces which he has on Atlantis. That's a horrendous amount of power. Anyone who attempts to take on all of that head-on is going to get hurt badly. And if you have an invading force which is determined to squash the entire planet no matter what, and they see the toll which Atlantis is inflicting on their forces, then they're going to do the sensible thing and divert forces away from weaker opponents, like the NGR and CS, and send them to the Atlantis front. They're going to do everything they can to crush Atlantis, and in return Splynncryth is going to throw everything he has back at the enemy, including calling in reinforcements from his other three worlds. If Atlantis wins the battle (and it obviously will, as they're not going to remove the Splugorth from the setting), then it might be so weakened in the battle that it'll no longer be anywhere near the level of a threat it was before. That, IMO, would be a pretty good result. One in which this massive megaversal threat is turned back primarily through the power of Atlantis, suffering close to 100% casualties on any troops they sent against Atlantis, while Atlantis in turn suffers major losses, possibly somewhere in the vicinity of 90% of their forces.

[cornholioprime]

Well, I'm not too familiar with this event, but given that it's called "Megaverse in Flames", their numbers can't be unlimited if they're attacking all over the Megaverse.

Basically, you can't assume that they unlocked the Infinite Army code before they started the battle because, if they did, then everyone's dead no matter what. So obviously the number of troops they have for the invasion of Rifts Earth is finite. And given just how powerful a threat Atlantis is, they're going to have to divert a large proportion of those forces to Atlantis. There's simply no way that the forces sent against the Coalition or the NGR are going to be anywhere near as strong as those sent against Atlantis. Depending on what their numerical constraints are, it may be that they didn't put enough troops into completely overwhelming the Coalition and the NGR so that they could put in that much extra force into destroying Atlantis. Or the troops sent against those other nations may not be intended to destroy those countries, but their purpose is to instead tie them up in combat and distract them so that they can't come to the aid of Atlantis, with the plan being to destroy Atlantis and then take those remaining forces and sweep across the Earth. So if Atlantis can defeat those forces sent against them then those forces would then be prevented from ravaging the rest of Rifts Earth. That doesn't mean that the rest of the planet emerges from the attack unscathed, but it does mean that A) Rifts Earth survives, due to the one superpower they have on the planet absorbing the brunt of the invasion, and B) Atlantis is drastically weakened in power as a result.

I don't see how anyone could consider that an unrealistic course of events. Anyone launching a planetary invasion of Rifts Earth is going to HAVE to focus the majority of their forces on Atlantis. Only three things can happen after that. Either A) They defeat Atlantis and sweep across the rest of the planet, B) They defeat Atlantis but are weakened so badly that they no longer have the strength to take on everyone else, or C) Atlantis beats them back.

How about

D) The amount of force that they can bring to bear is such that while they are spending the lion's share of their forces on Atlantis, they can easily field much smaller armies to most of if not all of the rest of the planet's power centers (almost all of which are MUCH less powerful than is Atlantis and the reinforcements that Splynncryth can bring to bear).

[Cyber-Knight]

Well, I'm not too familiar with this event, but given that it's called "Megaverse in Flames", their numbers can't be unlimited if they're attacking all over the Megaverse.

Basically, you can't assume that they unlocked the Infinite Army code before they started the battle because, if they did, then everyone's dead no matter what. So obviously the number of troops they have for the invasion of Rifts Earth is finite. And given just how powerful a threat Atlantis is, they're going to have to divert a large proportion of those forces to Atlantis. There's simply no way that the forces sent against the Coalition or the NGR are going to be anywhere near as strong as those sent against Atlantis. Depending on what their numerical constraints are, it may be that they didn't put enough troops into completely overwhelming the Coalition and the NGR so that they could put in that much extra force into destroying Atlantis. Or the troops sent against those other nations may not be intended to destroy those countries, but their purpose is to instead tie them up in combat and distract them so that they can't come to the aid of Atlantis, with the plan being to destroy Atlantis and then take those remaining forces and sweep across the Earth. So if Atlantis can defeat those forces sent against them then those forces would then be prevented from ravaging the rest of Rifts Earth. That doesn't mean that the rest of the planet emerges from the attack unscathed, but it does mean that A) Rifts Earth survives, due to the one superpower they have on the planet absorbing the brunt of the invasion, and B) Atlantis is drastically weakened in power as a result.

I don't see how anyone could consider that an unrealistic course of events. Anyone launching a planetary invasion of Rifts Earth is going to HAVE to focus the majority of their forces on Atlantis. Only three things can happen after that. Either A) They defeat Atlantis and sweep across the rest of the planet, B) They defeat Atlantis but are weakened so badly that they no longer have the strength to take on everyone else, or C) Atlantis beats them back.

How about

D) The amount of force that they can bring to bear is such that while they are spending the lion's share of their forces on Atlantis, they can easily field much smaller armies to most of if not all of the rest of the planet's power centers (almost all of which are MUCH less powerful than is Atlantis and the reinforcements that Splynncryth can bring to bear).

I believe I already covered that in the above bolded parts, in case you missed them the first time. Never once did I claim that every single invading soldier would or should be sent to Atlantis and leave the rest of the planet untouched. On the other hand, it would be a good idea to send troops to the rest of the planet, if for no other reason than to keep them occupied rather than having them attack their Atlantis army from behind.

[The Beast]

I hope for the following:

* Lazlo will take a severe beating and with all the crime and troubles coming from the unemployed refuges of Tolkeen, Lazlo will no longer be able to be a power of good and light in Americas.
* Federation of Magic will be harmed from the Minion War and a civil war about power will ensure, but will unite under the same banner should any outside source try to attack them.
* The Coalition States & Free Quebec will become the heroes of North America as it will be thanks to them that orth America is saved, but the cost will be that it will take generations to regain their old strength. They will be grudgingly accepted by most governments, and the Coalition will start to accept, although reluctantly, that some D-Bees (SDC races without magic) and the vanguard is needed and must be trusted to have the CS population safe.
* In the minion war, Atlantis with all its magical riches its huges slave stock, will be attacked, though Atlantis suvives, Lord Splynn(whatever) flees to another world to protect himself, Atlantis is ravaged but weakened.
* Erin Tarn dies.

As long as that happens I don't care about anything else...

[taalismn]

I hope for the following:
* In the minion war, Atlantis with all its magical riches its huges slave stock, will be attacked, though Atlantis suvives, Lord Splynn(whatever) flees to another world to protect himself, Atlantis is ravaged but weakened.


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Follow-up tech-grab(and possibly covert base establishment) on Atlantis by the CS and NGR Navies, possibly the New Navy?

And don't forget ARCHIE-3 using this as his big opportunity to grab more power(on North America OR Atlantis).

[Cyber-Knight]

I'd prefer a major move by the True Atlantean people to try and reclaim their homeland, even if it's just to form a secretive guerilla movement at first.

[Ectoplasmic Bidet]

I hope for the following:

* Lazlo will take a severe beating and with all the crime and troubles coming from the unemployed refuges of Tolkeen, Lazlo will no longer be able to be a power of good and light in Americas.
* Federation of Magic will be harmed from the Minion War and a civil war about power will ensure, but will unite under the same banner should any outside source try to attack them.
* The Coalition States & Free Quebec will become the heroes of North America as it will be thanks to them that orth America is saved, but the cost will be that it will take generations to regain their old strength. They will be grudgingly accepted by most governments, and the Coalition will start to accept, although reluctantly, that some D-Bees (SDC races without magic) and the vanguard is needed and must be trusted to have the CS population safe.
* In the minion war, Atlantis with all its magical riches its huges slave stock, will be attacked, though Atlantis suvives, Lord Splynn(whatever) flees to another world to protect himself, Atlantis is ravaged but weakened.
* Erin Tarn dies.

As long as that happens I don't care about anything else...

She is getting old, it would actually be fun to see cults carrying her legacy to a new age, to an almost level of actual worship.
Eventually, every messiah must die, and Erin has done much, but it would be interesting. Just think of this: She dies and her works become even more popular and start influencing the various burbs around Chi Town, CS will of course try to strike down on such groups, but there will pop up underground Erin tarn schools that tries to teach people to fight the literacy that CS promotes, her death will spark a peaceful revolution in the Coalition states. One that will be hard to stop, without bombing all the burbs.

In Palladium, such an outcome could end up with Erin as a god.

That would be amusing.

[taalismn]

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In Palladium, such an outcome could end up with Erin as a god.

That would be amusing.

In her older scholarly incarnation or the popular German cover incarnation?

[Pepsi Jedi]

I hope for the following:

* Lazlo will take a severe beating and with all the crime and troubles coming from the unemployed refuges of Tolkeen, Lazlo will no longer be able to be a power of good and light in Americas.
* Federation of Magic will be harmed from the Minion War and a civil war about power will ensure, but will unite under the same banner should any outside source try to attack them.
* The Coalition States & Free Quebec will become the heroes of North America as it will be thanks to them that orth America is saved, but the cost will be that it will take generations to regain their old strength. They will be grudgingly accepted by most governments, and the Coalition will start to accept, although reluctantly, that some D-Bees (SDC races without magic) and the vanguard is needed and must be trusted to have the CS population safe.
* In the minion war, Atlantis with all its magical riches its huges slave stock, will be attacked, though Atlantis suvives, Lord Splynn(whatever) flees to another world to protect himself, Atlantis is ravaged but weakened.
* Erin Tarn dies.

As long as that happens I don't care about anything else...

She is getting old, it would actually be fun to see cults carrying her legacy to a new age, to an almost level of actual worship.
Eventually, every messiah must die, and Erin has done much, but it would be interesting. Just think of this: She dies and her works become even more popular and start influencing the various burbs around Chi Town, CS will of course try to strike down on such groups, but there will pop up underground Erin tarn schools that tries to teach people to fight the literacy that CS promotes, her death will spark a peaceful revolution in the Coalition states. One that will be hard to stop, without bombing all the burbs.

Sadly with their 'comic idea' being based around her (( Even if it's from her younger days)) I don't see them killing one of their signature characters.

[Nightmask]

I hope for the following:

* Lazlo will take a severe beating and with all the crime and troubles coming from the unemployed refuges of Tolkeen, Lazlo will no longer be able to be a power of good and light in Americas.
* Federation of Magic will be harmed from the Minion War and a civil war about power will ensure, but will unite under the same banner should any outside source try to attack them.
* The Coalition States & Free Quebec will become the heroes of North America as it will be thanks to them that orth America is saved, but the cost will be that it will take generations to regain their old strength. They will be grudgingly accepted by most governments, and the Coalition will start to accept, although reluctantly, that some D-Bees (SDC races without magic) and the vanguard is needed and must be trusted to have the CS population safe.
* In the minion war, Atlantis with all its magical riches its huges slave stock, will be attacked, though Atlantis suvives, Lord Splynn(whatever) flees to another world to protect himself, Atlantis is ravaged but weakened.
* Erin Tarn dies.

That sounds quite bleak and horribly dystopian. The Dark Suns setting from WOTC is far more upbeat and positive in comparison.

[Nether]

I hope for the following:
* In the minion war, Atlantis with all its magical riches its huges slave stock, will be attacked, though Atlantis suvives, Lord Splynn(whatever) flees to another world to protect himself, Atlantis is ravaged but weakened.


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Follow-up tech-grab(and possibly covert base establishment) on Atlantis by the CS and NGR Navies, possibly the New Navy?

And don't forget ARCHIE-3 using this as his big opportunity to grab more power(on North America OR Atlantis).

I would greatly prefer to see the TA Clans return and claim Atlantis in this case. Besides, all the mystical resources of the continent just go to waste with CS/NGR

[Cyber-Knight]

I would greatly prefer to see the TA Clans return and claim Atlantis in this case. Besides, all the mystical resources of the continent just go to waste with CS/NGR

In any event, it'd be nice to see something interesting done with the True Atlanteans. Since their introduction way back in the day we haven't seen much on their end save for the occasional True Atlantean hero and Clan Skellian in South America. A concerted effort to retake Atlantis would be great. Let's see that continent turn into a warzone with the Splugorth on one half and the True Atlanteans on the other.

[Hystrix]

Yeah, I have to agree that I think if anyone is taken down a peg or two it'll be Splynn's Atlantis. The Demons and Deevils will target the biggest players on the block, and they have the means to do so. Even if Splynn sides with one or the other, he'll be damned if he dose or damned if he dosen't.

That said, I don't think the CS, NGR, FQ, Lazlo, FoM, or anywhere else will be immune. However, I expect to see the CS, and NGR still standing (even if they are worse for wear). I think that either the Demons or the Deevils (since they are at war with each other) will ultimatly foil the other bad enough that neither side "takes over." That should be obvious. But I see both sides screwing up each others plans enough that the CS, the NGR, a severly weakend Atlantis, and other major powers squeak by and survive.

EDIT - Another interesting aside - Maybe the Demons or Deevils (or both) will inadvertanly cripple the Xiticix. Not so that they aren't a threat, but so they don't have figgin billions of bugs or whatever. We'll see.

Another Aside - I see Archie being even stronger when all is said and done.

[Giant2005]

Yeah, I have to agree that I think if anyone is taken down a peg or two it'll be Splynn's Atlantis. The Demons and Deevils will target the biggest players on the block, and they have the means to do so. Even if Splynn sides with one or the other, he'll be damned if he dose or damned if he dosen't.

The Demons and Deevils have no desire to target anyone but each other.
Any Earth nations that are effected are effected because they got themselves caught in the middle - they are little more than collateral damage.
If anyone on Rifts Earth will be relatively immune to the carnage, it is Atlantis. Atlantis is an out of the way island, unless Splynncryth feels the need to get involved, the only way it would get involved is if by chance the Demons got Rifted on one side of Atlantis and the Deevils on the other.

[Hystrix]

Yeah, I have to agree that I think if anyone is taken down a peg or two it'll be Splynn's Atlantis. The Demons and Deevils will target the biggest players on the block, and they have the means to do so. Even if Splynn sides with one or the other, he'll be damned if he dose or damned if he dosen't.

The Demons and Deevils have no desire to target anyone but each other.
Any Earth nations that are effected are effected because they got themselves caught in the middle - they are little more than collateral damage.
If anyone on Rifts Earth will be relatively immune to the carnage, it is Atlantis. Atlantis is an out of the way island, unless Splynncryth feels the need to get involved, the only way it would get involved is if by chance the Demons got Rifted on one side of Atlantis and the Deevils on the other.

You might wanna read Dimensional outbreak then. Both Demons and Deevils targeted other power blocks.

[Nightmask]

I hope for the following:

* Lazlo will take a severe beating and with all the crime and troubles coming from the unemployed refuges of Tolkeen, Lazlo will no longer be able to be a power of good and light in Americas.
* Federation of Magic will be harmed from the Minion War and a civil war about power will ensure, but will unite under the same banner should any outside source try to attack them.
* The Coalition States & Free Quebec will become the heroes of North America as it will be thanks to them that orth America is saved, but the cost will be that it will take generations to regain their old strength. They will be grudgingly accepted by most governments, and the Coalition will start to accept, although reluctantly, that some D-Bees (SDC races without magic) and the vanguard is needed and must be trusted to have the CS population safe.
* In the minion war, Atlantis with all its magical riches its huges slave stock, will be attacked, though Atlantis suvives, Lord Splynn(whatever) flees to another world to protect himself, Atlantis is ravaged but weakened.
* Erin Tarn dies.

That sounds quite bleak and horribly dystopian. The Dark Suns setting from WOTC is far more upbeat and positive in comparison.

Well, I am not a fan of having all these unshakable Kingdoms and/or Empires out there, I like it when the players can be movers and shakers, though they do not need to be ale to usurp anything they want, but by stirring up the pot, the potentials for players will be so much more. I would not mind seeing that the world falls into yet another dark age and something new emerges from it. Like a Coalition states where they have registered magic-users, an Atlantis without the Spluggies where True Atlanteans actually sit o the throne. A former kindom of light and learing trying to recover from accepting too much refugees and facing problems that they never have had before.
And having Erin Tarn die and her death sparks a revolution in the Chi Town burbs where people are taught to learn how to read and think for themselves that will slowly infiltrate the fortress city. She will become like a national saint for the new nation that will try to grow, while Coalition States will try to maintain the status quo.

I just think that it would be nice to shake it around a little, as I do not see how the Rifts world can stay the same for so long, sure Tolkeen fell and now it seems as if TRiax is on an advance towards whatever monsters they fight, but I like a bit of dynamism in the games that I play.

And the question was what I wanted to see, and this is it

You've the CS remaining pretty much as powerful as always while eliminating yet another actual good kingdom like Tolkeen, so basically a repeat of the 'Coalition War on Tolkeen', doesn't sound like the CS is actually shaken up at all, just once again succeeding rather than failing as it ought. So doesn't seem like you're doing anything but furthering the spread of the CS and it's evil which is what we already regrettably see in canon.

[cornholioprime]

even given the minions at disposal from phaseworld, i can see the xititix getting their bug asses fried on a bug zapper. A dozen Demon knights can decimate entire cities if they struck like a machine at weaknesses. I forsee however a number of things:

Dyvallians infiltrating Lazlo, Atlantis, NGR's Black Forest..

The Hades demons reinvading Russian demon territory and getting into a war front between the Chaotic Russian Gods who lord over them.
Zerstrun Might accept a Dyvallian alliance, same with the nautyll .... and they might end up luring the lord of the deep to be used as a WMD against what ever nation he currently ignores.

I imagine Dunscon's hades minions would encourage a fresh attack on chi town, Embolstened by the Minions taken in 3 galaxies, the CS will be in trouble.



i'd imagine the dyvallians might also lure the Nxla Minions to stampede into CS territory. Psyscape will probably be forced to stay in hiding during this push.

Potentially all-engulfing beings like Vampire Intelligences and Nxla are typically a threat to everyone, and hated by everyone.

Even evil people hate it when you don't like to share the spoils.

[DhAkael]

there is no true nation, the Shemarrians will not visibly suffer (as Archie will rebuild the lost Shemarrians)

Not QUITE accurate
http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2003620#p2003620
Trust me; they will have a MUCH bigger part to play than most would think.
Although this is non-canon / "Not approved by Kevin 'I am GOD here' Siembiada"


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[Mech-Viper Prime]

I see it as it was the first time a large number of non-xiticix did a non-violent trespass in xiticix held territory, which might have just baffled xiticix leadership too

[PhellaOne]

With Megaverse in Flames coming around the corner

More like down the block, under the viaduct, across the burnt bridge, at the end of the rainbow.

[Cyber-Knight]

While it'd be nice if the Coalition got a good slap for all it's done, odds are it'll come out of it all smelling like a rose and will continue to be the primary example of a Karma Houdini in the Rifts setting.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

I see it as it was the first time a large number of non-xiticix did a non-violent
trespass in xiticix held territory, which might have just baffled xiticix
leadership too

Thats not how Xitixic operate being "Baffled" they do not get baffled they attack.

And again the book implicitly states, anything larger then a Group sized movement of
beings would elicit total death for the tresspassing beings.

Funny looked like they were baffled to me!

[Kovoston]

Wasn't Dr Desmond Bradford (sp) working on some kind of creature for the CS in Texas? Wouldn't he release them on the demons? (see book Rifts Machinations of Doom) By Perez and Seimbieda...

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[Balabanto]

i think the people who want erin tarn to die have a deep seated hatred of women that look like bea arthur.


I hope the next KS is actually megaverse in flames to come out.

I think the people who want Erin Tarn to die (of anything other than logical old age) have a deep-seated hatred of women in general. You are too kind.

[Cyber-Knight]

I think the people who want Erin Tarn to die (of anything other than logical old age) have a deep-seated hatred of women in general. You are too kind.

Wow, talk about going overboard. So if you dislike a single character that means you dislike EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of that gender? So does my dislike of Karl Prosek make me a misandrist?

[Balabanto]

There's a certain amount of special bitterness reserved for female narrators in stories. This has been the case ever since Charlotte Bronte wrote the words "Reader, I married him," in Jane Eyre.

It isn't the fact that Erin Tarn is a woman that makes disliking her misandry. It's the fact that she's the woman telling the story, and that somehow, that makes her perception naturally skewed that makes disliking her misandry.

The thing that no one really understands about this is that Erin Tarn doesn't tell stories for her own benefit.

Erin Tarn tells stories to save the world.

[Giant2005]

There's a certain amount of special bitterness reserved for female narrators in stories. This has been the case ever since Charlotte Bronte wrote the words "Reader, I married him," in Jane Eyre.

It isn't the fact that Erin Tarn is a woman that makes disliking her misandry. It's the fact that she's the woman telling the story, and that somehow, that makes her perception naturally skewed that makes disliking her misandry.

The thing that no one really understands about this is that Erin Tarn doesn't tell stories for her own benefit.

Erin Tarn tells stories to save the world.

I have an extreme dislike for Erin Tarn but not for any of the above reasons.
I naturally rebel against plot immunity - it annoys me she is capable of wandering the Megaverse without dying.
Her mere presence challenges the dark, gritty and dangerous nature of Rifts Earth. If someone's Grandma can wander around with impunity, it makes it very difficult to believe in the Dangers of the planet - even if all the other text says it is so.

[Balabanto]

There's a certain amount of special bitterness reserved for female narrators in stories. This has been the case ever since Charlotte Bronte wrote the words "Reader, I married him," in Jane Eyre.

It isn't the fact that Erin Tarn is a woman that makes disliking her misandry. It's the fact that she's the woman telling the story, and that somehow, that makes her perception naturally skewed that makes disliking her misandry.

The thing that no one really understands about this is that Erin Tarn doesn't tell stories for her own benefit.

Erin Tarn tells stories to save the world.

I have an extreme dislike for Erin Tarn but not for any of the above reasons.
I naturally rebel against plot immunity - it annoys me she is capable of wandering the Megaverse without dying.
Her mere presence challenges the dark, gritty and dangerous nature of Rifts Earth. If someone's Grandma can wander around with impunity, it makes it very difficult to believe in the Dangers of the planet - even if all the other text says it is so.

You really have no faith in the ridiculously high level people she travels with. I don't like plot immunity for anyone, but I'm more inclined to grant it to high level adventurers than I am evil nation states loaded with technology they shouldn't have that win wars they shouldn't be able to fight on their best day.

There's no such thing as an NPC in my games. Every character is out there. You have to consider all of the factors of Rifts Earth, and then there's your personal interpretation of Rifts Earth as "Dark" and "Gritty." Maybe you're just reading into the text. I kind of have a feeling that you are.