the 10 Best US states for Seft Havens..

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:36 am

Tell Me What do you think are the 10 Best US states for Seft havens from Zombies and What are the 10 Worse states.

SittingBull · Unread post by **SittingBull** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:46 am

gaby wrote:Tell Me What do you think are the 10 Best US states for Seft havens from Zombies and What are the 10 Worse states.

I thought of a good one last night (except during hurricane season). The Outer Banks, North Carolina. Only 2 bridges connecting the entire chain of islands to the main land. 2 Land bridges. Easily blocked. Then spend a few months cleaning off the islands, using the road and/or boat. Mind you if DR zombies can swim then throw this idea out, otherwise it would be my winter home and summer in the mountains of the west end of the state. Mountains steep enough in a lot of places to make a human difficult to get up, let alone a zombie.

Icefalcon · Unread post by **Icefalcon** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:30 pm

Minnesota would be one of the best states due to the long winters. The cold weather would make zombies very slow.

California, New York, Virginia and Maryland would be very bad due to very high population centers meaning literally millions of zombies roaming about.

SittingBull · Unread post by **SittingBull** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:09 pm

If not North Caroline and the Outer Banks then Virgina and Tanger Island. Hours accessable by boat and plain only, no cars, and under 100 people. Has a fishing lively hood and the island could be used for water raids on all the areas around it. You can access the heard of Norfolk by boat and be back out and safe, fast.

Icefalcon · Unread post by **Icefalcon** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:16 pm

Every state has its isolated areas. It just depends on how surrounded you are and what escape routes are available.

SittingBull · Unread post by **SittingBull** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:25 pm

Well the one advantage to DR is if the zombies run out of targets they shut down, they dont keep walking and walking and walking. So if you were to clean out an isolated place or location, then you should be able to live in peace (providing you dont throw raves or have world war recreations for fights).

Icefalcon · Unread post by **Icefalcon** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:25 pm

SittingBull wrote:Well the one advantage to DR is if the zombies run out of targets they shut down, they dont keep walking and walking and walking. So if you were to clean out an isolated place or location, then you should be able to live in peace (providing you dont throw raves or have world war recreations for fights).

They do, however, have only a percentage "in stasis" at a time. Some do actually wander about looking for food.

Josh Hilden · Unread post by **Josh Hilden** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:29 pm

The Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

Icefalcon · Unread post by **Icefalcon** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:10 pm

Josh Hilden wrote:The Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

Too much snow and no snowplows would nix this one for me.

Josh Hilden · Unread post by **Josh Hilden** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:49 pm

Icefalcon wrote:
Josh Hilden wrote:The Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

Too much snow and no snowplows would nix this one for me.

Low population, plentiful game and fish, abandoned mines, surrounded by water on three sides.

Icefalcon · Unread post by **Icefalcon** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:59 pm

Josh Hilden wrote:
Icefalcon wrote:
Josh Hilden wrote:The Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

Too much snow and no snowplows would nix this one for me.

Low population, plentiful game and fish, abandoned mines, surrounded by water on three sides.

Lower Minnesota has all of that except for the water on three side, although we have 10,000 lakes.

SittingBull · Unread post by **SittingBull** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:42 pm

Icefalcon wrote:
SittingBull wrote:Well the one advantage to DR is if the zombies run out of targets they shut down, they dont keep walking and walking and walking. So if you were to clean out an isolated place or location, then you should be able to live in peace (providing you dont throw raves or have world war recreations for fights).

They do, however, have only a percentage "in stasis" at a time. Some do actually wander about looking for food.

Well long as its a few wandering and not a herd, then you could deal with it hopefully.

SittingBull · Unread post by **SittingBull** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:44 pm

There are a large concentration of state (at least) prisons in the U.P. Those would be easily defensible. (Thank you to the wife who is from the U.P.)

CyCo · Unread post by **CyCo** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:58 am

Don't forget to check the Map of the Dead.

SittingBull · Unread post by **SittingBull** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:13 am

CyCo wrote:Don't forget to check the Map of the Dead.

WOW! That is insane!

CyCo · Unread post by **CyCo** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:37 am

SittingBull wrote:
CyCo wrote:Don't forget to check the Map of the Dead.

WOW! That is insane!

Isn't it just!

Would be a good reference tool for a gm running any Zombie game set in a current day or even near future/past campaign. You or the players pick a small town to start the campaign in. You then have a list of materials (gun shops, hospitals, hardware stores...) and where to find them. And then when the party ignore your plot line and take off on a tangent to go to the next town/county to check out the supply situation there, you can tell them what they find. And obviously, you can work out how heavily the town is 'zombiefied', using the MotD.

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SittingBull · Unread post by **SittingBull** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:09 am

Just wow.

SittingBull · Unread post by **SittingBull** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:51 am

According the map the Outer Banks isnt that good, but mind you that map would not be totally correct come winter when the Outer Banks is Dead. No pun intended.

SittingBull · Unread post by **SittingBull** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:59 am

Wow I didnt imagine Hawaii would be that bad but I guess so many people crammed together would do it.

SittingBull · Unread post by **SittingBull** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:02 am

I did NOT expect Niceville, FL to be one of the worst spots in the US but there is a LOT of military there also.

SittingBull · Unread post by **SittingBull** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:09 am

Cyco you should really post that link in a DR thread. Im sure other players would love it also.

Mech-Viper Prime · Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:08 am

Military bases and hospitals are two of the most dangerous spots.

And just because it might be safe from zombies, doesn't mean it's safe

Icefalcon · Unread post by **Icefalcon** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:21 pm

Don't forget, they mentioned that churches and schools were holding the overflow of dead bodies.

thorr-kan · Unread post by **thorr-kan** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:43 pm

Icefalcon wrote:Lower Minnesota has all of that except for the water on three side, although we have 10,000 lakes.

<Michigan Snob>
Iffen you can see across it, it's not a real lake.
<\Michigan Snob>

Full disclosure: I'm from Da Yoop, and I live in Minneapolis.

The UP doesn't get the snow like it did, so it would be better than you think. Southern MN might work, though you're stuck along I90, I35, various US highways, and the various southern cities. Worth a shot though.

*I'd* grab a load of seeds and head for Isle Royal.

Shawn Merrow · Unread post by **Shawn Merrow** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:57 pm

CyCo wrote:Don't forget to check the Map of the Dead.

Awesome link. :ok:

SittingBull · Unread post by **SittingBull** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:09 pm

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:Military bases and hospitals are two of the most dangerous spots.

And just because it might be safe from zombies, doesn't mean it's safe

Amen.

Icefalcon · Unread post by **Icefalcon** » Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:34 pm

Realistically, I would much rather modify a river boat and travel up and down the Mississippi with the seasons, keeping fields near the river, have a few fortified docking areas to use as hopping off points for salvage and resupply missions.

Oberoth · Unread post by **Oberoth** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:36 am

Alberta, Canada. Lots of forest and mountain ranges nearby. I would probably head for the Rocky Mountains.

If I had to guess ten states it would be these.

Alaska, Montana, Washington, Idaho, North Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, Oregon, Main, Wisconsin.

Mainly chosen for their high Latitudes where cold winters can give an edge against the undead.

SittingBull · Unread post by **SittingBull** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:55 am

Icefalcon wrote:Realistically, I would much rather modify a river boat and travel up and down the Mississippi with the seasons, keeping fields near the river, have a few fortified docking areas to use as hopping off points for salvage and resupply missions.

Now that is an XP worth idea I must say.

Icefalcon · Unread post by **Icefalcon** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:57 am

SittingBull wrote:
Icefalcon wrote:Realistically, I would much rather modify a river boat and travel up and down the Mississippi with the seasons, keeping fields near the river, have a few fortified docking areas to use as hopping off points for salvage and resupply missions.

Now that is an XP worth idea I must say.

Considering that I run a campaign for 8 players, I have to keep on top of what they have access to and how they may use. It makes me generate ideas of my own based on what is available.

CyCo · Unread post by **CyCo** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:07 am

SittingBull wrote:Cyco you should really post that link in a DR thread. Im sure other players would love it also.

It was posted in my topic Australia: The Safe Haven. It's mentioned in the article I linked to. You guys are supposed to read it. Can't spoon feed you lot all the time. lol

Mech-Viper Prime · Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:00 pm

Just remember kiddies, if a group is eating meat and there are no animals around then zombies eating you is the least of your problems, because now you're on someone's esle menu now.

Icefalcon · Unread post by **Icefalcon** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:59 pm

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:Just remember kiddies, if a group is eating meat and there are no animals around then zombies eating you is the least of your problems, because now you're on someone's esle menu now.

Valid point right here. In a zombie apocalypse, it is not really the zombies that are the largest danger. What you really have to worry about is other people who are driven to desperate measures by their lack of everything.

Snake Eyes · Unread post by **Snake Eyes** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:02 pm

SittingBull wrote:
CyCo wrote:Don't forget to check the Map of the Dead.

WOW! That is insane!

Yes it is, but very cool.....i will be GMing my first dead reign game this friday, and i may use this map as reference :-D

Snake Eyes · Unread post by **Snake Eyes** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:06 pm

SittingBull wrote:I did NOT expect Niceville, FL to be one of the worst spots in the US but there is a LOT of military there also.

i live in fort walton beach, FL......it would be a lot worse than Niceville, though we have easy access to Eglin AFB, and Hurlburt AFB.

Icefalcon · Unread post by **Icefalcon** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:09 pm

I would think that Florida would be bad for just the smell and chance of disease caused by the quickly rotting corpses (due to heat which increases putrifaction) walking about.

Ravenwing · Unread post by **Ravenwing** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:01 pm

New Mexico:
Reason?
Low Population, High Weapons count. We're like Texas more firearms per capita......well maybe not legal firearms, but still. Also there's like 100 rounds of ammo per person in the state. Gotta love the Wild West.

SittingBull · Unread post by **SittingBull** » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:54 pm

Snake Eyes wrote:
SittingBull wrote:
CyCo wrote:Don't forget to check the Map of the Dead.

WOW! That is insane!

Yes it is, but very cool.....i will be GMing my first dead reign game this friday, and i may use this map as reference

Offline?

Trent · Unread post by **Trent** » Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:35 am

Ky and Tn

Trent · Unread post by **Trent** » Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:50 am

Ravenwing wrote:New Mexico:
Reason?
Low Population, High Weapons count. We're like Texas more firearms per capita......well maybe not legal firearms, but still. Also there's like 100 rounds of ammo per person in the state. Gotta love the Wild West.

Sounds a lot like Ky and Tn

Trent · Unread post by **Trent** » Wed May 07, 2014 12:09 am

Josh Hilden wrote:
Icefalcon wrote:
Josh Hilden wrote:The Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

Too much snow and no snowplows would nix this one for me.

Low population, plentiful game and fish, abandoned mines, surrounded by water on three sides.

And if its like the rest of Mich. and Wis. there are more than a few snowmobiles around . The long cold winters would slow them down and make them easier kills . And isnt there a large state park there ?

Tirisilex · Unread post by **Tirisilex** » Tue May 20, 2014 6:57 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_Island,_Maine

only one road in and thats across a ferry.. Just need to clear out any Zombies still inhabiting the place.. It's pretty much cut off from the mainland should be a good place to make into a safe Haven. It's got an Airport.. Lots of Boats you can use along with Shops to repair them.. Fishing Companies so Boats for a food source. It stretches 10 miles by about 10 miles.. Small country fishing town..Has 2 Medical centers.. Gonna call them up to see if they have any construction businesses on the island. These is a hardware store.

Tirisilex · Unread post by **Tirisilex** » Tue May 20, 2014 7:33 pm

I just realized although it's a nice lacale that means lots of Mainers thought so as well.. making that island overrun.. But If you can clear it out or find someone to share it with.. It's a good spot.

Tirisilex · Unread post by **Tirisilex** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:06 pm

I called the Island today and they said that there are 3 Construction sites on the island so Making a Fence of some sort should be easy.. I thought there was a Ferry but they have 1 road entering the island. The person I talked with on the phone said it would be easy to barricade the road into the island. So any of the islands off of Maine and Novascotia would be good spots.

Josh Hilden · Unread post by **Josh Hilden** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:10 pm

Except for the elements

Trent · Unread post by **Trent** » Wed May 21, 2014 11:22 pm

Tirisilex wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_Island,_Maine

only one road in and thats across a ferry.. Just need to clear out any Zombies still inhabiting the place.. It's pretty much cut off from the mainland should be a good place to make into a safe Haven. It's got an Airport.. Lots of Boats you can use along with Shops to repair them.. Fishing Companies so Boats for a food source. It stretches 10 miles by about 10 miles.. Small country fishing town..Has 2 Medical centers.. Gonna call them up to see if they have any construction businesses on the island. These is a hardware store.

And far enough north to not have to deal with hurricanes on any regular basis . If you can keep stephen king from writeing up additional horrors for the place it would be a nice safe haven . And gives the usual zombie story a nice air to it .

Tirisilex · Unread post by **Tirisilex** » Thu May 22, 2014 11:12 pm

I live in New Hampshire and I actually see Steven King from time to time.. He likes coming to my town because no one bothers him here.

ronekiln · Unread post by **ronekiln** » Fri May 23, 2014 9:52 pm

The greatest long term challenge will be food production and clean water. There's a surprisingly limited amount of food kept on hand in our industrialized society, and survivors will immediately raid any obvious location it was stored. I'd go for any region with lower population, good growing seasons, and ample water.

No desert regions.
No regions of regular intense snowfall (though that's an advantage the first year or two).

If your campaign keeps in mind the last few years of American politics, some events happened that led to the greatest hoarding of weapons and munitions ever in history (this may vary with your specific location). There should be no lack of firearms and ammo being traded amongst survivors. Medical supplies, heirloom seeds, farming skills and the like will be what quickly becomes high in demand. The last century worth of buildings are dependent on cheap and plentiful energy and water as well. So skills and materials for building more efficient homes/communities in defensible locations will be vital in the long run.

I think my favorite region would be the Willamette Valley in Oregon. Far from the heavy population centers, mild climate, ample water and farmland. Still a decent road network for traveling. There are a lot of regions in the Southeast US that would also be feasible to build defendable farms and communities.

I must admit, I've given up on playing long running apocalypse games, cause the real threat becomes things that are boring to role-play. Only the short term dashes of the initial outbreak and panic make for real good adventure. Once everyone comes to grips with the fact that they're fighting zombies and the initial panic settles, it's just not the right atmosphere of high adventure that I prefer.

Tirisilex · Unread post by **Tirisilex** » Sat May 24, 2014 1:31 pm

As I stated in 2 other threads.. I live in a small tourist town that is full of Hunters.. There is a gun or 2 in every other house here.. A shooting range with 1500 members.. Hunting stores.. Gunsmiths.. And just people who like to collect weapons.. guns and bladed alike..

I think a Zombie outbreak here would look alot like the end of the Mother of zombie films "Night of the Living Dead."

I would like to find a way to have my town overrun.. But I just cant think of anything.. The so called myth in the book about bites not spreading the plague is looking pretty good.. Actualy.. I'm thinkin of 28 days later where any body fluid into your system will turn you. To really impact my community it needs to be a more high risk. The wave of inoculations.. Well If most people took it.. I guess but as for s shortage of weapons.. not realistic.

Icefalcon · Unread post by **Icefalcon** » Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:08 am

Trent wrote:
Josh Hilden wrote:
Icefalcon wrote:
Josh Hilden wrote:The Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

Too much snow and no snowplows would nix this one for me.

Low population, plentiful game and fish, abandoned mines, surrounded by water on three sides.

And if its like the rest of Mich. and Wis. there are more than a few snowmobiles around . The long cold winters would slow them down and make them easier kills . And isnt there a large state park there ?

I live in lower Minnesota. Mostly farm country around here. We don't get nearly the amount of snow the rest of the state gets, plenty of snowmobiles and gets plenty cold enough to slow zombies.