When is an RCC a PCC/OCC?

[eliakon]

a long long time ago, in a ruleset far away (pre RUE) in rifts land psychic classes were all RCCs (Mind Melter RCC, Dog Boy RCC, Burster RCC etc). So, what should be done about other RCCs? How does one separate out when an RCC (like the Dualist, which can explicitly be taken by humans) is a PCC/OCC and when it is a true RCC (like flame cat) and then there is stuff like the Ghost Maker (noro) that is an OCC...but is race specific....usually.

[Prysus]

a long long time ago, in a ruleset far away (pre RUE) in rifts land psychic classes were all RCCs (Mind Melter RCC, Dog Boy RCC, Burster RCC etc). So, what should be done about other RCCs? How does one separate out when an RCC (like the Dualist, which can explicitly be taken by humans) is a PCC/OCC and when it is a true RCC (like flame cat) and then there is stuff like the Ghost Maker (noro) that is an OCC...but is race specific....usually.

Greetings and Salutations. I'm not entirely positive what you're asking, but I think I understand so I'll just make sure first.

You're asking how to apply the RUE x.C.C. setup to older books (those pre-RUE), correct?

If so, the answer is actually in RUE on page 278, bottom of the page (first column).

1: P.C.C. Since RUE doesn't use this term, it's a non-factor. Of course, if we were, anything that's a Psychic O.C.C. would fall into the category. Without it, they're just Psychic O.C.C. (such as Bursters, Dog Boys, and Psi-Stalkers).

2: R.C.C. Unless ALL members of the race have these skills/abilities instinctively. A dragon is a great example. Faeries and/or demons are probably (for the most part) more examples. Basically if you learn the abilities/skills, then it's NOT a R.C.C.

3: O.C.C. This basically covers just about everything else. If it involves studying, training, practice, or just about any other learned method ... it's an O.C.C. So the Ghost Maker is an O.C.C. Why? Because this is not instinctive to all Noro and Noro can take other O.C.C. So if the race can select an O.C.C., or select from a variety of racial classes, then it's now an O.C.C. (because selecting the class means it's not natural/instinctive to the entire race). This is why Dog Boys are an O.C.C., because even though only a Dog Boy can select the O.C.C., there are Wild Dog Boys, and the CS trained ones (which are different), as well as others I'm possibly not aware of.

If this answered your question, great. If it did no, then can you please clarify it for me? Thank you for your time and patience, please have a nice day. Farewell and safe journeys for now.

[drewkitty ~..~]

Within the Rifts setting only. (Other settings will be different.)
RCCs would stay RCC's.

With the Dualist example the stonemen would have their RCC, and then there would just be a PCC equivalent for everyone else.

Races that have a mandatory RCC, like the flame cat would stay as they are with every member of the race with the racial powers having to have the racial RCC. If the player chooses another class then that individual would not have the RCC powers because if they had had the racial/RCC powers, then they would of had to have the mandatory RCC.

Then there are RCC's that just most of the members of the race members have...more a 'way of life' class and 'special racial power training' class. These would act much like "They are just OCC's for that only that race can take."
(note: Two of these labeled as racially restricted OCC's. The Psi-hound class (CS dogboy class) and the promethian <something> Adept.)

Most of the arguments over "is it a RCC or a PCC?" or Is it a mandatory RCC where if the char can't have the RCC powers if the player chooses a class not the mandatory RCC or is it a 'way of life' RCC?" are over. Some lean away from the munchy side of these things and others go whole hog munchkin in their "opinions".

And since there is no directions from Kevin about which is which. The arguments over which is which can get heated to the point of board warnings.

One of the RCC's that is argued over is the psionic Gizmoteer RCC. Some say it is a Stoneman RCC and can not be take by anyone else. Other argue that it is just a PCC that any psi able race char can have.

[eliakon]

a long long time ago, in a ruleset far away (pre RUE) in rifts land psychic classes were all RCCs (Mind Melter RCC, Dog Boy RCC, Burster RCC etc). So, what should be done about other RCCs? How does one separate out when an RCC (like the Dualist, which can explicitly be taken by humans) is a PCC/OCC and when it is a true RCC (like flame cat) and then there is stuff like the Ghost Maker (noro) that is an OCC...but is race specific....usually.

Greetings and Salutations. I'm not entirely positive what you're asking, but I think I understand so I'll just make sure first.

You're asking how to apply the RUE x.C.C. setup to older books (those pre-RUE), correct?

If so, the answer is actually in RUE on page 278, bottom of the page (first column).

1: P.C.C. Since RUE doesn't use this term, it's a non-factor. Of course, if we were, anything that's a Psychic O.C.C. would fall into the category. Without it, they're just Psychic O.C.C. (such as Bursters, Dog Boys, and Psi-Stalkers).

2: R.C.C. Unless ALL members of the race have these skills/abilities instinctively. A dragon is a great example. Faeries and/or demons are probably (for the most part) more examples. Basically if you learn the abilities/skills, then it's NOT a R.C.C.

3: O.C.C. This basically covers just about everything else. If it involves studying, training, practice, or just about any other learned method ... it's an O.C.C. So the Ghost Maker is an O.C.C. Why? Because this is not instinctive to all Noro and Noro can take other O.C.C. So if the race can select an O.C.C., or select from a variety of racial classes, then it's now an O.C.C. (because selecting the class means it's not natural/instinctive to the entire race). This is why Dog Boys are an O.C.C., because even though only a Dog Boy can select the O.C.C., there are Wild Dog Boys, and the CS trained ones (which are different), as well as others I'm possibly not aware of.

If this answered your question, great. If it did no, then can you please clarify it for me? Thank you for your time and patience, please have a nice day. Farewell and safe journeys for now.

Thanks, that actually makes sense (especially in light of the page you referenced)
so basically....if its everyone and their cousin, its an RCC, otherwise its just an OCC (possibly racial, possibly not) and I had not read that line about PCC not being a rifts term anymore, so that helps with that.

[Tor]

I think the best guideline is when they have their own set of attributes, they're an OCC (since Rifts doesn't use the PCC notation, no biggy, since PCCs are a sub-type of OCC). I guess it wouldn't hurt to refer to any OCC under the "psychic" category as a PCC though.

Of course there are some exceptions to this like Psi-Stalkers and Mind Bleeders which, in spite of being described as a human mutation or a specific d-bee race, also seem to be things available to some other races. Luckily since they're just modifications to a 3d6 base, it would be easy enough to apply that to other species.

The Gizmoteer class is indeed a troublesome issue since it neither explicitly mentions what races can be members (like Duelists mention humans) yet neither mentions any kind of exclusivity.

[eliakon]

I think the best guideline is when they have their own set of attributes, they're an OCC (since Rifts doesn't use the PCC notation, no biggy, since PCCs are a sub-type of OCC). I guess it wouldn't hurt to refer to any OCC under the "psychic" category as a PCC though.

Of course there are some exceptions to this like Psi-Stalkers and Mind Bleeders which, in spite of being described as a human mutation or a specific d-bee race, also seem to be things available to some other races. Luckily since they're just modifications to a 3d6 base, it would be easy enough to apply that to other species.

The Gizmoteer class is indeed a troublesome issue since it neither explicitly mentions what races can be members (like Duelists mention humans) yet neither mentions any kind of exclusivity.

Yah Gizmoteer and Mind Bleeder are...tricky. Gizmos because they are just labled RCC, but back then ALL psis were RCCs, and Mind Bleeders are supposed to be race specific (except for that obnoxious note in Atlantis....isn't retroactive change FUN )

[Tor]

The note in Atlantis isn't obnoxious, the change in Africa was. I suppose one might also view the Anvil Galaxy option (along with SA2) as obnoxious also.