This could have some ramifications for other types of MDC blades as well.
Any ideas?
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Rappanui wrote:as i'm not familliar with pg 51 of chaos earth, in VU Vibro weapons merely Added 2d6+3 to SDC damage of the weapon.
Pepsi Jedi wrote:I chose other, but largely because I don't think the flesh is pulped. The vibroblade does MD damage. So it'd be like a hot Sword through soft butter. If anything even cleaner. (( much like the pic of the NGR guy getting the top of his head sliced off.
For me I just picture them 'cutting' much like a light saber without the cauterization. So clean cuts, and when you hack off a limb, well blood's gonna come a gushing. If you stab it in and yank it around yeah you'll shred. But stabs are different from cuts.
I use "Wilks laser swords" anyway so for me the woulds are partially cauterized as per... well the light saber that it is. lol
Pepsi Jedi wrote:I think people might be picturing the 'vibration's as bigger than they are. Vibro blades don't jump around in your hand like a revving chainsaw. The 'vibration' is very high frequwncy but minute. Like.. microns back and forth. Not Cm's or inches.
I think some people are thinking "Chainsaw" or "power tool" and that's why they may think "Pulp" but that is speculation.
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Pepsi Jedi wrote:I chose other, but largely because I don't think the flesh is pulped. The vibroblade does MD damage. So it'd be like a hot Sword through soft butter. If anything even cleaner. (( much like the pic of the NGR guy getting the top of his head sliced off.
For me I just picture them 'cutting' much like a light saber without the cauterization. So clean cuts, and when you hack off a limb, well blood's gonna come a gushing. If you stab it in and yank it around yeah you'll shred. But stabs are different from cuts.
Pepsi Jedi wrote:I don't understand that. Do you convert lasers and plasma rifles and particle beams and rail guns to SDC when hitting SDC creatures as well?
zaccheus wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but:
Rue pg 259 "All vibro-blades are blade weapons surrounded by an invisible, high-frequency energy field that gives them Mega-Damage capabilities."
Leads me to believe that the actual "blade" doesn't cause any damage at all. It's actually an energy weapon, similar to a lasar or Ion beam, therefore the wound it would cause would be along the same lines, and in rifts even the wilk's laser pistol causes a squishy SDC target to explode, therefore I would rule the same would happen with a vibro blade as well. Also I rule that because the actual thing causing the damage is an energy field and not the blade or the force behind the blade then the attacker does not do any bonus damage due to strength.
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Vibro-blades have a high freq. Vibrational field. Which does not extend very far from the blade itself. Field defined as area that the vibrations cause the blade to be in from time to time. Yes, I'd be inserting "Real Science" into things with this. But when the books 'dumb things down' so everybody can get the basic 'idea', it takes away from what they 'Are'.
"If you are nicked on the arm by a V-blade would it just make a scratch or blow the whole arm off?" *rhetorical question to make you think about it*
Panomas wrote:zaccheus wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but:
Rue pg 259 "All vibro-blades are blade weapons surrounded by an invisible, high-frequency energy field that gives them Mega-Damage capabilities."
Leads me to believe that the actual "blade" doesn't cause any damage at all. It's actually an energy weapon, similar to a lasar or Ion beam, therefore the wound it would cause would be along the same lines, and in rifts even the wilk's laser pistol causes a squishy SDC target to explode, therefore I would rule the same would happen with a vibro blade as well. Also I rule that because the actual thing causing the damage is an energy field and not the blade or the force behind the blade then the attacker does not do any bonus damage due to strength.
A laser blast shot from a laser gun has Penetration at serious velocity.
A knick or graze on the arm from a laser blast or a vibro-knife will not make someone explode! Lol
In general laser blasts are meant to mean that the blast itself is hitting the main body-and passing through it.
It's hard to imagine a vibro weapon traveling the same velocity.
Ectoplasmic Bidet wrote:zaccheus wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but:
Rue pg 259 "All vibro-blades are blade weapons surrounded by an invisible, high-frequency energy field that gives them Mega-Damage capabilities."
Leads me to believe that the actual "blade" doesn't cause any damage at all. It's actually an energy weapon, similar to a lasar or Ion beam, therefore the wound it would cause would be along the same lines, and in rifts even the wilk's laser pistol causes a squishy SDC target to explode, therefore I would rule the same would happen with a vibro blade as well. Also I rule that because the actual thing causing the damage is an energy field and not the blade or the force behind the blade then the attacker does not do any bonus damage due to strength.
You asked for it. You're wrong.
Vibro-blades, without the high frequency energy field, are weapons made of MDC material that inflict SDC damage, and do not cause limb explosions or the like. I'll point to Chaos Earth page 51 once more where the exact description of what happens when a vibro-blade meets flesh is given.
Rappanui wrote:real life vibro blades do exist, they're called ultrasonic scalpels....
and they basically are a wire that emits ultrasonic waves in a very tight area.
Today they are used in facial plastic surgery.
Ectoplasmic Bidet wrote:Rappanui wrote:real life vibro blades do exist, they're called ultrasonic scalpels....
and they basically are a wire that emits ultrasonic waves in a very tight area.
Today they are used in facial plastic surgery.
No faces have exploded so far, I assume?
glitterboy2098 wrote:zaccheus, weaponized lasers don't burn, they 'punch'. their energy is imparted in such a way that the material they hit explodes and shatters
the lasers used for surgery are designed to burn, presenting their energy constantly over time so that you heat the point aimed at.
weaponized lasers impart their energy in microseconds, with the beam pulsed thousands of times a second.
zaccheus wrote:The second point it illustrates is that how damage is resolved in rifts doesn't correspond to the physics of the actual declvice. If youre correct lasers should infect just make a nice clean barrel sized hole through their target not cause them to be destroyed, misted or have a basketball sized hole in their chest similar to what happened in Kung pow enter the fist
glitterboy2098 wrote:zaccheus wrote:The second point it illustrates is that how damage is resolved in rifts doesn't correspond to the physics of the actual declvice. If youre correct lasers should infect just make a nice clean barrel sized hole through their target not cause them to be destroyed, misted or have a basketball sized hole in their chest similar to what happened in Kung pow enter the fist
actually, weaponized lasers are designed to blow big ragged holes into things. a sufficiently powerful beam hitting a human being would blow them to chunky salsa.
Hystrix wrote:no idea why a vibro blade would pulp anything. It should be a clean slice.
Mark Hall wrote:Y'all seem to assume that Palladium books are written with the same exacting precision with which they are analyzed. I think that is... ambitious.
ZINO wrote:AN EXPERT IN HAND TO HAND COMBAT AND USING AN EXPERT WP KNIFE OR MEDICAL USE
CAN DO THIS, GOING FOR ARMS OR LEGS
A HIT IN MAIN BODY DOWN FOR THE COUNT K.O DEAD
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FROM CHAOS EARTH PAGE 51
The cut from a Vibro-Blade, when done correctly, can amputate a limb, even a leg, with a single (STRIKE)
stroke. The cut is so quick and clean that the patient/target feels only the s lightest sensation of pain and (if) medical personnel can immediately work to tie off arteries and seal the wound with an instant spray-on bandage to have the patient ready for transport in a matter of minutes. Some can even be evacuated on crutches under their own power.
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Slight001 wrote:It's not quite Rifts... but IIRC Chaos Earth has it down that the origins of vibro weapons were as surgical systems. It was only the failure to miniaturize the technology down to scalpel scale that prevented that goal. As it is it is specifically noted as making clean cuts and is used to rapidly remove damaged/trapped limbs... if it cavitated the body then it wouldn't be getting used for such tasks.
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Pepsi Jedi wrote:I chose other, but largely because I don't think the flesh is pulped. The vibroblade does MD damage. So it'd be like a hot Sword through soft butter. If anything even cleaner. (( much like the pic of the NGR guy getting the top of his head sliced off.
For me I just picture them 'cutting' much like a light saber without the cauterization. So clean cuts, and when you hack off a limb, well blood's gonna come a gushing. If you stab it in and yank it around yeah you'll shred. But stabs are different from cuts.
I use "Wilks laser swords" anyway so for me the woulds are partially cauterized as per... well the light saber that it is. lol
Mark Hall wrote:Y'all seem to assume that Palladium books are written with the same exacting precision with which they are analyzed. I think that is... ambitious.
Alrik Vas wrote:I put the field 100% around the blade. The edge of the weapon seems meaningless to me. It's the vibration doing the killing. Don't parry unless you want to lose your SDC weapon, imo.
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