What do you think the other Splugorth will be like?

[Q99]

Ok, as we all know, there's 4 Splugorth Kingdoms in the Three Galaxies, not counting the shop in Center.


In Thundercloud, we have the fading empire, being gobbled up by the TGE (which has got to have a huge minion population by this point!). It still has some power but is a shadow of it's former self.

In Anvil, we have the remnant-kingdom of a delusional Splugorth, which pretty much got stomped on by everyone.

In Center, on the flip-side, we have a well-run trading outpost, lead by a go-getter.


That leaves two Splugorth Kingdoms left, in Corkscrew, the largest galaxy.

What do you think would be cool for them to be like?

[Tor]

I'd like it if we could work in one of the kingdoms being abandoned by the Odin-Splugorth in Pantheons. Maybe it's just run by High Lords?

[Bill]

I'd like one of them to be engaging in social engineering to create its vision of a perfect society where it is worshiped as god and its twisted sense of justice prevails in a strange, yet effective, way. A little bit of Bizarro World meets Cthulhu.

[Q99]

I'd like it if we could work in one of the kingdoms being abandoned by the Odin-Splugorth in Pantheons. Maybe it's just run by High Lords?

On the flipside, we already got two failing kingdoms....


Though one where the Splugorth purposefully ran off and left the High Lords in charge, and they're actually doing a fairly *good* job would be interesting ^^

My personal preference for Corkscrew to be the home of the more dangerous Splugorth of the lot.

[Nekira Sudacne]

I'd like it if we could work in one of the kingdoms being abandoned by the Odin-Splugorth in Pantheons. Maybe it's just run by High Lords?

On the flipside, we already got two failing kingdoms....


Though one where the Splugorth purposefully ran off and left the High Lords in charge, and they're actually doing a fairly *good* job would be interesting ^^

uh, that IS what happened with the one who got "stomped on by everyone". The splurgorth ran off and left the high lords in charge, who are doing a fairly good job of keeping the ship running. it's run by a council of 8 high lords who arn't telling anyone the Lord's vanished, and none of them dare try to take direct command for fear he'll be offended if he returns.

[Q99]

uh, that IS what happened with the one who got "stomped on by everyone". The splurgorth ran off and left the high lords in charge, who are doing a fairly good job of keeping the ship running. it's run by a council of 8 high lords who arn't telling anyone the Lord's vanished, and none of them dare try to take direct command for fear he'll be offended if he returns.

Yea, point ^^

So having another lord in absentia is a bit redundant.

[gaby]

Well I thinking One of the Corkscrew have infiltrated agents in the terriotry of the Thundercould,s Splugorth,who are Undermining it control,when it needs help the most ther Corkscrew,s One will offer Aid for a Price.

[FatherMorpheus]

Why not a Splugorth who has a secure but not expanding empire? Something which can't complete with the UWW, CCW or TGE. But they can't really take it on as a foe either. Perhaps the oldest known Splugorth Empire lead by some sort of matriarch Splugorth who is the mother of the others or something? A twist on the whole species and how they procreate.

[Q99]

One thing I'd like to see, is some kingdom-specific minion races. Like one of the kingdoms found a species in the Corkscrew and are working to make it a minion, and it's only spread a little past the original founder so far, as the others are waiting and seeing on how it performs.

Why not a Splugorth who has a secure but not expanding empire? Something which can't complete with the UWW, CCW or TGE. But they can't really take it on as a foe either. Perhaps the oldest known Splugorth Empire lead by some sort of matriarch Splugorth who is the mother of the others or something? A twist on the whole species and how they procreate.

A secure one would be interesting, one with fleets mighty enough that while the TGE and CCW may *want* to, they don't feel they can afford to without hurting themselves too much.

[eliakon]

One thing I'd like to see, is some kingdom-specific minion races. Like one of the kingdoms found a species in the Corkscrew and are working to make it a minion, and it's only spread a little past the original founder so far, as the others are waiting and seeing on how it performs.

The sad part is that the Kittani and the Kyndians were supposed to be just that. Both races were saved, personally, by Splyncrth and pledged eternal loyalty to him.
But later authors instead of actually making up new races simply just gave everyone the same minions

[FatherMorpheus]

One thing I'd like to see, is some kingdom-specific minion races. Like one of the kingdoms found a species in the Corkscrew and are working to make it a minion, and it's only spread a little past the original founder so far, as the others are waiting and seeing on how it performs.

The sad part is that the Kittani and the Kyndians were supposed to be just that. Both races were saved, personally, by Splyncrth and pledged eternal loyalty to him.
But later authors instead of actually making up new races simply just gave everyone the same minions

I agree. I think that this new Splugorth should have their own minion race. But perhaps they should have a bio-wizardy created lesser Splugorth Race, something similar to the way the Goa'uld from Stargate SG1 used under-developed Goa'uld to make army of men. But more bio-wizardyish.

[glitterboy2098]

Kydians at least have an excuse for being all over.. they breed like nothing else. all a splugorth needs to get a sizeable population of them of his own is the money to buy a seed population, and a few decades.

Kittani though are the real issue since they were a splynncryth only but now show up all over.

and Splynncryth is a relative minor power as splugorth empires go.

[eliakon]

Kydians at least have an excuse for being all over.. they breed like nothing else. all a splugorth needs to get a sizeable population of them of his own is the money to buy a seed population, and a few decades.

Kittani though are the real issue since they were a splynncryth only but now show up all over.

and Splynncryth is a relative minor power as splugorth empires go.

Worse. They show up as the military and technological power of the EVERY Splugorth Empire. Not only does everyone use them (as the back bone of their military no less). But their (supposedly exclusive) tech is the baseline for everyone.

I blame this on "its easier to recycle stuff than invent new stuff all the time syndrome" Which is why TW is everywhere, and Kittani, and Rune Magic, and Biomancy and.........
Rather than make new stuff its so much easier to just borrow stuff from someplace else....which destroys any uniqueness that the original had.
(I fully expect to see Biomancy in an evil minion/demon race in a future book)

[Q99]

and Splynncryth is a relative minor power as splugorth empires go.

I gather he's small, but a real up-and-comer, between finding a good minion race and claiming Atlantis, which is a massive coup since Splugorth hate Atlanteans.

Kittani though are the real issue since they were a splynncryth only but now show up all over.

Well, it has been 40k years. That's not *quick*, and it's no surprising Splynn would send populations to others to gain favor- *especially* in places like the Three Galaxies where fleets are needed, as they're noted to be better than the prior Splugorth-controlled tech specialists (Kydians? Or there may have been some minor ones).

Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if he had to call in some favors to help evacuate them all to begin with.

Though it would certainly be quite interesting if one of the powers didn't use them, and still relied on Kydian fleets or even the fleets of the prior tech race.... hah, that'd be a hook. A species that was a reasonably respected minion for their tech, but then the Kittani showed up and were *better*, so they lost status and are now at the bottom of the minion heap, barely above slaves, and they jealously want to reclaim their position and try to make experimental and new weapons better than Kittani ones, but just *aren't* as good (but their main lord tolerates it because it still produces the occasional useful device).


The Strata are also new, and iirc they were picked up by a non-Splynncryth Splugorth, implying they were transfered to him. Basically my impressive is while Splugorth do have different mixes as per their preference, and may occasionally keep some to themselves, probably 80-90%+ of minion races get traded around because if you find a good one, you probably make more profit selling them to other Splugorth than you do keeping them to yourself.

[eliakon]

and Splynncryth is a relative minor power as splugorth empires go.

I gather he's small, but a real up-and-comer, between finding a good minion race and claiming Atlantis, which is a massive coup since Splugorth hate Atlanteans.

Kittani though are the real issue since they were a splynncryth only but now show up all over.

Well, it has been 40k years. That's not *quick*, and it's no surprising Splynn would send populations to others to gain favor- *especially* in places like the Three Galaxies where fleets are needed, as they're noted to be better than the prior Splugorth-controlled tech specialists (Kydians? Or there may have been some minor ones).

Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if he had to call in some favors to help evacuate them all to begin with.

Oooohhh good point. I will withdraw my objections...

Though it would certainly be quite interesting if one of the powers didn't use them, and still relied on Kydian fleets or even the fleets of the prior tech race.... hah, that'd be a hook. A species that was a reasonably respected minion for their tech, but then the Kittani showed up and were *better*, so they lost status and are now at the bottom of the minion heap, barely above slaves, and they jealously want to reclaim their position and try to make experimental and new weapons better than Kittani ones, but just *aren't* as good (but their main lord tolerates it because it still produces the occasional useful device).

GM brain churning....
Ohhh I like this....I think I can use this

The Strata are also new, and iirc they were picked up by a non-Splynncryth Splugorth, implying they were transfered to him. Basically my impressive is while Splugorth do have different mixes as per their preference, and may occasionally keep some to themselves, probably 80-90%+ of minion races get traded around because if you find a good one, you probably make more profit selling them to other Splugorth than you do keeping them to yourself.

Or maybe some mutual internal treaty (people who horde good minions are suspected of being out to get the rest of the race.......hmm maybe that was the crime of the guy pretending to be Odin.....)

[glitterboy2098]

most kydians, according to WB2, only get trained with just enough skills to be soldiers. but i could see a "technician caste" or similar.

the kydians were planet bound when they were found by the splugorth though.. and only a few generations from going extinct due to overpopulation. sort of a similar situation as the T'zee. so i doubt they had any interstellar tech prior to contact. however sublight spaceships i could see. maybe not very good ones at first, but with access to the splugorth's resources i bet they could have adapted their own tech to what was needed.

so if ships were Kydian made, i suspect the interstellar drives would be splugorth supplied. (Rift-drives maybe? perhaps a bit different than the UWW ones**)

i could see the design style leaning toward "very big" and "huge crews".. the later being a hold over from Kydian sublight colony ship design efforts, that the splugorth just kept because it meant room for lots of slaves and lots of minions.

**perhaps instead of opening a rift to that "energy universe", passing through, then opening a rift back, it could just open a rift directly to the destination..

[Q99]

Or maybe some mutual internal treaty (people who horde good minions are suspected of being out to get the rest of the race.......hmm maybe that was the crime of the guy pretending to be Odin.....)

Yes. While Splugorth are often rivals, at the same time there's stuff like the Slaver being known as the 'Splugorth Slaver' across the multiverse, many other species are recognized as minions even by dimensional travelers, and such, and Splurgoth definitely trade with each other.

So a minion-exchange deal of some kind seems likely. I even suspect they have some agreements on the levels of minions between each other, as when there's talk of promoted Strata as a whole to minion status, they talk of promoting the species, so I wonder if the Splugorths compare information on how a new species is working, and make the decision between them.


And I like your Odin-Splug idea. If you're hording minions away from other *Splugorth*, it makes it look like you're not just going after one rival, but perhaps turning against many.

most kydians, according to WB2, only get trained with just enough skills to be soldiers. but i could see a "technician caste" or similar.

I mention them because several pieces of Splugorth technology kit were noted to be collaboration designs. The ships in South America 1. I think even the current Kittani Fleet was noted to have some Kydian influences.

the kydians were planet bound when they were found by the splugorth though.. and only a few generations from going extinct due to overpopulation. sort of a similar situation as the T'zee. so i doubt they had any interstellar tech prior to contact. however sublight spaceships i could see. maybe not very good ones at first, but with access to the splugorth's resources i bet they could have adapted their own tech to what was needed.

so if ships were Kydian made, i suspect the interstellar drives would be splugorth supplied. (Rift-drives maybe? perhaps a bit different than the UWW ones**)

i could see the design style leaning toward "very big" and "huge crews".. the later being a hold over from Kydian sublight colony ship design efforts, that the splugorth just kept because it meant room for lots of slaves and lots of minions.

**perhaps instead of opening a rift to that "energy universe", passing through, then opening a rift back, it could just open a rift directly to the destination..

The Phase World books do mention that before Kittani, Splugorth preferred to use magic to rift planet to planet. So ships with Rift drives seem a possibility. Considering they're not in use anymore, I suspect a relatively limited one.

I picture them large crewed for their size, large cargo capacity, fairly slow (the Kittani love maneuver warfare, but it's not so much a Kydian thing), ... but more a way to transport large numbers of slaves place-to-place than a primary invasion vehicle, since invasion is often done with magic. The Minions rift in, wreck the defenses, then the ships show up to carry people around type of thing.

[Jorick]

I like the idea of Splynncryth being a bit of an outlier among Splugorth. A young hustler, rather than the typical world conqueror. Some other Splugorth might try to take Rifts Earth. Splynncryth plays a different game. He's too important to too many people.

Even forces of light and good have to appreciate his presence on Earth to some extent, if only as the supreme balancer of powers. If the True Atlanteans somehow succeed in removing him from their homeland, do they have the wherewithal to defend the Earth from all the other things that Splynn contends with (Vamps, Demons, whatever megaversal powers Splynn has "agreements" with to not conquer the planet)?

Where most of the Splugorth in the 3G fight often losing battles of conquest, Splynncryth saves civilizations and creates megavalue out of them. Grabs a bit of land here or there, all to keep the spice flowing.

The Splugorth might not all get along with each other all the time, but theyll all visit Splynn, and cosy up to him, cause they all need a piece of what he's got.

I like to read it that way anyway. He's so difficult to deal with for champions of good. You cant really ally with him, you certainly cant trust him, you might try your darndest to free the slaves, but theres so much potential for good characters to also USE the resources and "stability" he creates, and there's no possibility of outright war with him, lest a hollocaust of chaos ensue. At least on Earth.

Most of the other Splugorth are just another vicious power to combat in every way at every turn.

[eliakon]

I like the idea of Splynncryth being a bit of an outlier among Splugorth. A young hustler, rather than the typical world conqueror. Some other Splugorth might try to take Rifts Earth. Splynncryth plays a different game. He's too important to too many people.

Even forces of light and good have to appreciate his presence on Earth to some extent, if only as the supreme balancer of powers. If the True Atlanteans somehow succeed in removing him from their homeland, do they have the wherewithal to defend the Earth from all the other things that Splynn contends with (Vamps, Demons, whatever megaversal powers Splynn has "agreements" with to not conquer the planet)?

Where most of the Splugorth in the 3G fight often losing battles of conquest, Splynncryth saves civilizations and creates megavalue out of them. Grabs a bit of land here or there, all to keep the spice flowing.

The Splugorth might not all get along with each other all the time, but theyll all visit Splynn, and cosy up to him, cause they all need a piece of what he's got.

I like to read it that way anyway. He's so difficult to deal with for champions of good. You cant really ally with him, you certainly cant trust him, you might try your darndest to free the slaves, but theres so much potential for good characters to also USE the resources and "stability" he creates, and there's no possibility of outright war with him, lest a hollocaust of chaos ensue. At least on Earth.

Most of the other Splugorth are just another vicious power to combat in every way at every turn.

So he has Good Guy insurance
No truly good people can utterly overthrow him....unless they are ready and able to step in and fill the void.
This neatly explains why the Atlantians (who have gone from being a dying race to a vibrant major power with populations hundreds of times that of the fall) have not invaded and reclaimed Atlantis. Sure they could do it.....but they cant fill his shoes and they are unwilling to sacrifice the rest of the world just to get their homeland back (well most of them are not willing to)

[glitterboy2098]

not so much good guy insurance as "better the devil you know than the devil you don't"

it's been said that other splugorths look at rifts earth with greedy eyes, but most stay away because splyncryth is there already, preferring to use what he built on atlantis instead of trying to take it over directly.

the True Atlantian clans seem to have decided they can afford to wait to reclaim their home.. most likely the existance of places like New Alexandria in the three galaxies contribute to that.. those groups that still consider themselves Atlanteans have new homes, and a lost continent on earth is not a big deal for them. the reclaiming of atlantis seems to be something the younger, more hot headed TA's are interested in.

which actually makes them fairly close to the old Zionist movements in the jewish communities, back before ww2.

(though i admit, the "true atlanteans are a dying race" fluff does conflict with how they seem to be everywhere.. personally i think that both could be kept if we make a distinction between the "true atlantean" culture, and the TA Race.. if most of the TA clans were no betterthan baseline humans in terms of stats, aside from the marks of heritage, and the RCC only applied to those with specific bloodlines, it ould resolve a lot. representing how atlantean refugee's found themselves in other dimensions and worlds, and interbreed with normal humans there.. so most 'true atlanteans' are of mixed descent but retain their culture.. and only a few bloodlines which minimized the interbreeding with locals still have all the perks ofthe RCC.. said bloodlines being in the process of dying off due to either cultural change within the bloodlines or just inbreeding.. leaving few of the atlantean race left, but a lot of people identifying as children of atlantis)

[Q99]

Pretty much, before one knocks over Splynncryth, one *needs* to wait until the rest of Earth is more powerful and more capable of defending itself.

In a century or two, that may be viable, as long as Triax, North America, the ocean powers, all continue to grow and maybe some of the lesser threats get knocked off.


Even Klynncryth, the other Splugorth who runs a market, does keep an eye out for opportunities to take Center/Phase World, he just isn't willing to risk too big if it does.

(And the strategic balance thing is there too, if at a much lesser extent- He'll fight to defend Center from Demons and Deevils).

[Tor]

As I bet Cihuacoatl would say of Splynny "his holdings aren't small, they're compact".

[Q99]

As I bet Cihuacoatl would say of Splynny "his holdings aren't small, they're compact".

Right.

Heck, Minion War has it noted a general of each side intend to attack Atlantis, but both underestimate how tough a nut to crack it is.

[Tor]

That a general would want to do that seems absurd to me, it's such a great trading center for demons/devils I dunno why you'd want to get blacklisted there.

[eliakon]

That a general would want to do that seems absurd to me, it's such a great trading center for demons/devils I dunno why you'd want to get blacklisted there.

Because they want to take it over for themselves?

[Tor]

I guess, just seems so unfeasible I don't know how any general that stupid could rise so high in rank.

At least it's not as ridiculous as trying to take over Center, that was even worse.

I expect better, like the gradual sneak-in of the CCW by Dyval agents, that's what I expect to see from these guys, using their seduction skills and stuff. Not "gee, I can defeat the Prometheans and can split my forces during this war".

It's bad enough with the CS did it splitting Tolkeen/FQ but they're a relatively young nation composed of a short-lived species.

I guess the pridefulness of arrogance of demons/de(e)vils is just so extreme that they act like human children?

I guess I could see that with the Lessers, but you expect better of the Greaters, much less the Lords commanding them.

[Q99]

That a general would want to do that seems absurd to me, it's such a great trading center for demons/devils I dunno why you'd want to get blacklisted there.

Because it has so many portals, if you use it you can pour in tons of reinforcements.

Under Splynncryth it doesn't help either side in the war much. If one side had it, then odds of taking Earth go way up.

Similar for Center.

They're both very high difficulty, but once you have them, the other side would have to spend almost as much effort to get it back, plus you get reinforcements galore to attack everywhere else.


Heck, Center had so many invading demons hidden within it, about the only thing keeping it from falling is the devils!

[Alrik Vas]

I want a sploogie lord that encourages freedom, that his followers need to liberate the galaxies from the oppression if conflict by waging the war to end war. Spread the message of liberation to gain other freedom fighters as allies.

[Q99]

I want a sploogie lord that encourages freedom, that his followers need to liberate the galaxies from the oppression if conflict by waging the war to end war. Spread the message of liberation to gain other freedom fighters as allies.

Hm, seems an unusual take. Splugorth tend to be all about control, after all...

[Alrik Vas]

It's just a trick, obviously.

[Nekira Sudacne]

It's just a trick, obviously.

Why? the Splurgorth template clearly says alignment is "Any". it also says Usually Evil or Anarchist, but by definition that means there are good splurgorth out there, even Principled ones. also, "usually" and not "most" indicates that it could be as much as 20% or so of splurgorth are good aligned.

[Alrik Vas]

But it was my idea...So....

In any case, they'd be using freedom fighters to accomplish they're goals, letting heroes of the people die in battle, honor them publicly, then continue to push the idea of subduing the galaxy so terrible wars where your heroes die tragic deaths will never happen again.

Its all in the spin.

[Q99]

Why? the Splurgorth template clearly says alignment is "Any". it also says Usually Evil or Anarchist, but by definition that means there are good splurgorth out there, even Principled ones. also, "usually" and not "most" indicates that it could be as much as 20% or so of splurgorth are good aligned.

Point, and while it would be possible... would a Splugorth like that have a lasting empire in the Three Galaxies? That's known as a Splugorth Kingdom?

They'd likely have the hatred of all the other Splugorth in the 3G, even before one gets into danger from the Transgalactic Empire. That'd be a pretty rough spot.

I'll also note that one of the books that talks Alien Intelligences (Conversion book, I think) comments that evil Alien Intelligences massively outnumber good (I think it said over a hundred to one), so good ones are likely very rare.

Though a good Splugorth running a freedom-fighter organization is an interesting idea....

[Tor]

Splurgorth template clearly says alignment is "Any".
it also says Usually Evil or Anarchist
by definition that means there are good splurgorth out there, even Principled ones.
"usually" and not "most" indicates that it could be as much as 20% or so of splurgorth are good aligned.

Could also mean the others are Unprincipled but not Principled/Scrupulous.

Splugorth have the capacity to be Principled but that doesn't necessarily mean one exists.

Since Rifter 9.5 has no "this isn't canon" statements like most other Rifters, the tourist OCC splugorth NPC in there (I think Billy Bob was his name) could be our token guy, think he might've been good.

[Nekira Sudacne]

Splurgorth template clearly says alignment is "Any".
it also says Usually Evil or Anarchist
by definition that means there are good splurgorth out there, even Principled ones.
"usually" and not "most" indicates that it could be as much as 20% or so of splurgorth are good aligned.

Could also mean the others are Unprincipled but not Principled/Scrupulous.

Splugorth have the capacity to be Principled but that doesn't necessarily mean one exists.

Since Rifter 9.5 has no "this isn't canon" statements like most other Rifters, the tourist OCC splugorth NPC in there (I think Billy Bob was his name) could be our token guy, think he might've been good.

By that logic, all races with an "any" alignment are always selfish or evil until we have a cannon NPC who is good.

[Tor]

That's not my logic at all.

I'm saying that unless we are given an actual percentage for an alignment or told that members of that alignment exist, we can't be sure they do.

If it said "all" rather than "any" I would say it's proof a member of each alignment exists though.

[Q99]

Could also mean the others are Unprincipled but not Principled/Scrupulous.

Splugorth have the capacity to be Principled but that doesn't necessarily mean one exists.

Since Rifter 9.5 has no "this isn't canon" statements like most other Rifters, the tourist OCC splugorth NPC in there (I think Billy Bob was his name) could be our token guy, think he might've been good.

Hah, yes, Billy Bob Blynncryth iirc


I had an idea for a dimension full of good Alien Intelligences, each outcasts from their race, together as a defense against the much more numerous kin... I think I posted it in another thread.

[Nox Equites]

An Aberrant Splugorth would be truly scary.

[Tor]

Aren't Miscreant-aligned generally scarier than Aberrent? There's one on Pantheons page 170.

[SolCannibal]

I'd like it if we could work in one of the kingdoms being abandoned by the Odin-Splugorth in Pantheons. Maybe it's just run by High Lords?

Actually, the general impression from Pantheons of the Megaverse's fluff on the subject is that Wothancrellyth's dominions were taken over by a rival Splugorth that infiltrated spies and secret saboteurs deep into its government. In fact that rival still sends assassins and other agents after it. High Lords running things under those circunstances on their own is improbable, specially considering the race is dependent on symbiosis with a sploog master to stay MDC, according to WB1.

[Q99]

Aren't Miscreant-aligned generally scarier than Aberrent? There's one on Pantheons page 170.

Depends on one's personal definition of scary


Aberrants are often the most focused.

[Tor]

Maybe in our lore because they have crusades instead of empires, but selfish dishonorable villains can also be pretty focused too.

[SolCannibal]

Considering the Zlyphan, Zazshan/Mrrlyn's race are supposed to be longstanding rivals of the Splugorth, i ask myself if any of them are active in some of the star-nations and empires of the 3 Galaxies....

Damn, just seeing another one beside Mrrlyn anywhere with plans, minions or agendas of its own would be entertaining already.

[gaby]

SolCannaibal,s idea is Great,maybe it can be in the next Phase world book?

Well the set-up of the two Corkscrew,s Splugorths are up to the people who use them in ther games.

For Me,ther Doing the Following One is planing to (save) the Thundercloud from The TGE,the Other One Hate the TGE doing Whatever it can to Undermined it.

[SolCannibal]

For a little twist if toying with Sploogs in the 3 Galaxies, i might add a mostly unknown "new arrival" that has been setting up its power base in high-PPE worlds suffering from vampires, zombies and similar undead/unaligned demon plagues - bringing peace and order to these words (or at least parts of them) means its forces are usually well-accepted by the besieged natives and the high PPE makes rifts and nexus somewhat frequent, allowing for the set up of pyramids to connect domains in quite unrelated areas of the 3 Galaxies and beyond, forming a new empire that is very hard to detect as such if you don't know what to look for.

[gaby]

I think a book on the two Splugorth,s Kingdoms in Corkscrew can work.
Give each of them ther own Original Minions and Slaves races,Maybe some New tattoos for Tattoos men and Tattoos Archer,Ther Enemies,Ther Spies in 3 Galaxies and on Rifts Earth,How ther fighting the minior war and ther plans for after it.
Dozen of Adventure ideas and so On.

[gaby]

Maybe they can do 3 Galaxies,2,so they can give info on the Two Splugorth in Corkscrew.

What do you think?

[taalismn]

I think that they leave some Splugorth unexplained/un-outlined so GMs can use them as they will for their own campaigns, that's what. You can use your own imagination to flesh them out, or their replacements if you know another GM has knocked them off..

[SolCannibal]

I think that they leave some Splugorth unexplained/un-outlined so GMs can use them as they will for their own campaigns, that's what. You can use your own imagination to flesh them out, or their replacements if you know another GM has knocked them off..

What's good and all but do we have a sample splugorth and its realm/empire that is not Splynncrith's Atlantis? Because what little glimpses i can remember from the books are all about Sunaj, Kitanni & etc, like the last bit of individual effort on their part was enslaving the Kreeghor (whom they don't really control anymore, might be said. Some evocative bits of novelty or contrast, to make one care about any of them as something more than a Splynn clone would be appreciated i think.

[eliakon]

I think that they leave some Splugorth unexplained/un-outlined so GMs can use them as they will for their own campaigns, that's what. You can use your own imagination to flesh them out, or their replacements if you know another GM has knocked them off..

What's good and all but do we have a sample splugorth and its realm/empire that is not Splynncrith's Atlantis? Because what little glimpses i can remember from the books are all about Sunaj, Kitanni & etc, like the last bit of individual effort on their part was enslaving the Kreeghor (whom they don't really control anymore, might be said. Some evocative bits of novelty or contrast, to make one care about any of them as something more than a Splynn clone would be appreciated i think.

Especially since things have gone from "Splyncryth recruited the Kitani and Kyndians as his personal minions, so hey look at the sort of thing a Splugorth might collect (an entire race or three)" to "everyone and their dogclynrith has the same races because unoriginality."
My solution has been to change that in my games.
I took the Kitani and Kyndians off of the 'everyone has them' list.
I put in a few other races (The Saphra and Rithe are my new 'universal minions')
I give each individual Splugorth their own stuff. So
-They will have their own races that they have as personal minions
-They may have branches of exotic magic or obscure technologies that they specialize in, either because they are useful, or because the Splugorth discovered/rediscovered/captured it...or simply because it amuses the Splugorth to do so.
-They may have unique tattoos that are only available to the alchemists of that Splugorth. The various Splugorth trade T-men around like trading cards to get the whole set anyway... but it does make it a bit harder for the rest of the world (In my games I have put a number of Tattoos into the "splugorth only" list. The Atlantians are actively trying to steal the secrets of these tattoos...which provides some interesting gaming scenarios for Atlantian PCs
-They may have unique designs for Rune items that only that Splugorth and their Rune Masters can make

Basically I have made it so that instead of each Splugorth being basically a clone of Splyncryth, that they are unique to the point that often the only points of commonality are the fact that it is a monstrous slave based empire...I have even had PCs adventure in Splugorth Empires before and not even realize it because it was so different! They just thought they were in some "domain of monsters"