number of attacks per melee

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 2:55 pm

how about a dog boy of lvl 9 with some mutant abnormalities adding a melee attack or two, like ambidexterity? Dog boys normally don't have access to boxing, but the GM's disregarding that is a possibility..

MADMANMIKE · Unread post by **MADMANMIKE** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:08 pm

..Or poor GMing. A GM gets an idea in his head, decides the NPC won't be beaten so he just fudges... Happens all the time.

-Mike <8[

Nekira Sudacne · Wed Sep 08, 2004 3:59 pm

umm. . . actually, ALL dodges take attacks. there are no free dodges.

unless a PC has a skill called Autododge, wich only some classes or those with Hand to Hand Commando combat skill have.

in the above case, ALL dodges are free.

Commando is taught only by the Coalition specail forces, and some New West gunmen.

Nekira Sudacne · Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:07 pm

Lucky wrote:i think SF from mercs can get it too, as well as the CS nauticall commando.

I have a houserule that lets SF from mercs get it, but it's not actually offically in the text

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:15 pm

Nekira Sudacne wrote:
Lucky wrote:i think SF from mercs can get it too, as well as the CS nauticall commando.

I have a houserule that lets SF from mercs get it, but it's not actually offically in the text

of course it's not in the text... Mercenaries was published years before CWC introduced HTH Commando, but it's logical to allow them to have it.

Aerv · Unread post by **Aerv** » Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:48 pm

There's a few more classes that have come out of the woodwork that allow Commando now, such as the Warborn from Rifter #8. Now that's a force to be reckoned with.

Warborn with HTH Commando, Pilot Combat: Elite and a Silverhawk PA == 9 attack per melee at first level.

Dead Boy · Unread post by **Dead Boy** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:40 am

It's possible that this Dog Boy was infact a Kill Hound that gets an extra attack, (maybe with the Super Predator abnormality and/or Ambidexterity for an extra one or two on top of that too), and was of a significant level. It's also possible that he was using Paired Weapons, using a small number of double attacks for maximum damage, and then saving his other attacks for dodoges. Sure, the Paired Weapons wouldn't add extra melee attacks per se, but the GM might have been spacing the second strikes out into the next melee action for appearences, which isn't that bad of a fudge really.

Killer Cyborg · Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:26 am

heck, it could have been a TMNT/AtB/HU2 style mutant dog...
I know I like to throw stuff like that at my players now an then to keep them on their toes.

Dr. Doom III · Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:19 am

You can continue to dodge after all your attacks are burned up. They jut start eating up attacks from subsequent rounds.

Guest · Unread post by **Guest** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:06 pm

Dr. Doom III wrote:You can continue to dodge after all your attacks are burned up. They jut start eating up attacks from subsequent rounds.

Ah yes, the infamous, "we haven't read the original combat rules" change to Dodges that directly contradicts the existing combat system. Whoever (and I'm naming no names) came up with that change needs to be beaten with a stick for not knowing the Palladium combat systems.

SkyeFyre · Unread post by **SkyeFyre** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:46 pm

Actually you start with 4
3 if you picked HTH:Assassin

This is clarified in the Game Master's Guide

and if you don't like the dodging rules there's a revised set also in the Game Master's Guide.

And (Yes I know you can't start a sentence with AND) you can dodge even if you've used up all of your actions, it just burns up actions from the next melee

If you only had 2 actions per melee and you were fighting with vibroblades the first swing would take 7.5seconds to do... effectively making you fighting in slow motion. It's not that you attack twice (Each at 2.5sec) and then stand there for 10 seconds. If I misunderstood you I'm sorry.

Nekira Sudacne · Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:31 pm

Illithid13 wrote:nope you got me correctly... I was unawair (as is our gm I believe, this being his first Rifts campaign) that I should have 4 attacks at lvl 2 H2H:MA. Where are these rules (book and pg number please) so I can enlighten our GM.

well, it was hidden under Psychic combat that all PC's automatically have 2 attacks per melee, regardless of HtH skill, with those added on.

now, Rifts GM's guide has updated it so it says that Hth basic, expert, Martial arts, and Commando start with 4 attacks per melee to clarify, with Hth assassin with 3 attacks per melee.

also, HtH martial arts and assassin also gain intiitve bonuses as they advance, so it's recommend you pick it up.

SkyeFyre · Unread post by **SkyeFyre** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:35 pm

Well In the original RIFTS main rule book it ASSUMES that you know that you start with 2 APM (Actions per melee) and then the hand to hand skills give you an additional two... but if you want them clarified...

Game Master's Guide
Page 45

It lists all of the hand to hand skills and how many actions per melee they have.. on page 44 it just says the bit about with no hand to hand skills you only get 2APM

Dr. Doom III · Unread post by **Dr. Doom III** » Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:13 pm

Nekira Sudacne wrote:well, it was hidden under Psychic combat that all PC's automatically have 2 attacks per melee, regardless of HtH skill, with those added on.

So well "hidden" in fact that NPCs from the first dozen or so books don't have them.