Do you support the Coalition? Come vote.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

hey lets not forget the Darkhounds , dunscon failed attempt to turn dog boys against the coalition, since most of protect or fight along side of the coaliton when any of dunscon forces show up and coalition solidiers view them as good luck

When did that happen?

On a side note, when CS does finally go to war with FoM, they're going to be pumping out Dog Boys out of lone star like crazy b/c of how many they'll expect to die and of course they would want more for all the magic users they'll be hunting.

oddly they stated appearing right after dunscon come back to rifts earth

[dark brandon]

Their people are so coraled that I'd hardly consider them as living as humans, more like a bunch of cattle or sheep. The leadership are the very essence of everything evil in man.

You talking about the CS or FoM, or someone else?

Psycape. No one really knows where they come from. But Theory is they are products of Dunscon who used captured dog boys in experiments to make them evil. Unfortunatly, it didn't work, and dog boys loyalties hold strong even after horrible transfermation. They are stronger (MDC/Inflict MDC) more ferral, at the same time, they are concidered to be good luck by cs soldiers who see them because on more than one occation, one of these things would jump out and save the CS soldier, which leads many to believe they are x-dog boys.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

so if the coalition is ever destroyed between the remains of coalition states,vanguard, and darkhounds there will be hell to pay

[dark brandon]

so if the coalition is ever destroyed between the remains of coalition states,vanguard, and darkhounds there will be hell to pay

and FQ, NGR. and while there may be hell to pay, the vanguard, and darkhounds are too few in numbers to bring about hell.

CS wouldn't go down without taking the world with them. They would use their nukes if Chi-town were in danger. Not everyone has the triangle defence rift grid thing. And you don't need to hit dead center to cause massive destruction with a Nuke. No, the fall of the CS would probably be a bad thing for everyone.

[genericman]

why i voted huh? well um ....d-bee pride thats why. i know not a very good reason but hey i'm all for those d-bees (thrusts fist in air, and starts chanting) "D-Bee pride, D-Bee pride"

[Mech-Viper Prime]

so if the coalition is ever destroyed between the remains of coalition states,vanguard, and darkhounds there will be hell to pay

and FQ, NGR. and while there may be hell to pay, the vanguard, and darkhounds are too few in numbers to bring about hell.

CS wouldn't go down without taking the world with them. They would use their nukes if Chi-town were in danger. Not everyone has the triangle defence rift grid thing. And you don't need to hit dead center to cause massive destruction with a Nuke. No, the fall of the CS would probably be a bad thing for everyone.

you be surprized what a handful people can do

[Mech-Viper Prime]

gee tolkeen showed that by summoning demons, and proving the coalition right.

the Coalition is about survival, then again i could play a dragon with a dislike for humans or any other monster races or d-bee race with a dislike for humans and it would be accepted by some on this board, but those are the same people who put down the coalition every chance they can, those who believe the wants of a few outweigh the needs of the many, its about survival, if a d-bee goes into coalition controlled area they know the risks, they know who the coalition is and what they do

[Mech-Viper Prime]

They said the same thing about greece and roman. I can't help but notice we're all here

Even though you have a good point in what you're saying, they weren't fighting for the survival of mankind.

and that what i comes do toSurvival,and Survival of thier childern

[Mech-Viper Prime]

why i voted huh? well um ....d-bee pride thats why. i know not a very good reason but hey i'm all for those d-bees (thrusts fist in air, and starts chanting) "D-Bee pride, D-Bee pride"

We have no problem with D-bee pride, just do it on your own planet............or prepare to DIE!

i see the d-bee parade on d-bee pride day in lazlo, carrying thier signs i'm a person too

[Mech-Viper Prime]

i see the d-bee parade on d-bee pride day in lazlo, carrying thier signs i'm a person too

Don't let the CS find out, they'll drop the bomb right in the middle of the parade, take em all out(most) in one nice strike.

more like sit back and laugh

[Mech-Viper Prime]

If a question like this keeps you up at night, you take the game too seriously.

I don't sleep at all thinking about all those women and child d-bees I've killed. I wake up in a sweat yelling out my commanding officers name while hiding in my closet. Maybe I shouldn't take it so seriuos.

maybe

[dark brandon]

If a question like this keeps you up at night, you take the game too seriously.

I don't sleep at all thinking about all those women and child d-bees I've killed. I wake up in a sweat yelling out my commanding officers name while hiding in my closet. Maybe I shouldn't take it so seriuos.

I sleep better knowing I've killed all those women and children dbees. My house feels alot safer.

IRL: Don't worry, Everything will be fine. I'm from teh inertnets.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

That's wierd, the %'s only add up to 98%, who's stealing the other 2%

But on a side note, look like CS hatred has doubled since the poll first started b/c the first week or so thier was only 9-13% that would shoot CS on sight.

well the pro coalition side could do the same thing by login as different names and pumping up the count but i see no reason too, kinda like voting 3-4 times for the same person or subject

[dark brandon]

That's wierd, the %'s only add up to 98%, who's stealing the other 2%

But on a side note, look like CS hatred has doubled since the poll first started b/c the first week or so thier was only 9-13% that would shoot CS on sight.

well the pro coalition side could do the same thing by login as different names and pumping up the count but i see no reason too, kinda like voting 3-4 times for the same person or subject

I don't think either side is doing that. I mean, you'd have to be some serious loser to spend your time creating other accounts just so you can vote multiple times on one subject matter. While I do believe there may be some out there whos very life balances on the razors edge wire that is an INTARNET POLL...i'm not sure where I was going with this, I just wanted to use the word INTARNET POLL.

PS. If you vote multiple times on INTARNET POLLS...you seriously, seriously....need to get a life. No, not saying this mean, just really, if you feel that your so entitled to be right that you will do this....just...wow...sad.

I pitty you. Then again...Don't worry, everything will be fine. I"M from the INTARNET.

[dark brandon]

My name is "Joe Smith" and I'm a INTRANET multiple poll voter.

*Sighs*

U R l0zAr. LOLOLOLOLOLO!!!!11!1111oneoneoneeleven gg noob. no re thx.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

That's wierd, the %'s only add up to 98%, who's stealing the other 2%

But on a side note, look like CS hatred has doubled since the poll first started b/c the first week or so thier was only 9-13% that would shoot CS on sight.

well the pro coalition side could do the same thing by login as different names and pumping up the count but i see no reason too, kinda like voting 3-4 times for the same person or subject

I don't think either side is doing that. I mean, you'd have to be some serious loser to spend your time creating other accounts just so you can vote multiple times on one subject matter. While I do believe there may be some out there whos very life balances on the razors edge wire that is an INTARNET POLL...i'm not sure where I was going with this, I just wanted to use the word INTARNET POLL.

PS. If you vote multiple times on INTARNET POLLS...you seriously, seriously....need to get a life. No, not saying this mean, just really, if you feel that your so entitled to be right that you will do this....just...wow...sad.

I pitty you. Then again...Don't worry, everything will be fine. I"M from the INTARNET.

no cause we make a stand if we lose, we lose. just think how polls were 4 to 6 years ago and support for the coalition has increased

[Mech-Viper Prime]

this one since 2000 i think, but there was other one before that

[Mech-Viper Prime]

this one since 2000 i think, but there was other one before that

Just wondering b/c the last thread on this forum only goes back to Jan. 26 2004.

well the forums have well thru alot of changes

[Kalinda]

I think they delete threads after awhile to save space. besides, we just repeat the same threads over and over anyway.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

I think they delete threads after awhile to save space. besides, we just repeat the same threads over and over anyway.

dont know, maybe

[dark brandon]

I think they delete threads after awhile to save space. besides, we just repeat the same threads over and over anyway.

Well, humans are creatures of habbit. (c:

[dark brandon]

I don't see jojo reestablishing the Vanguard as an official group, but he probably would make them more "known" to higher officials and ISS groups as to "turn a blind eye to them". They'd probably even get a bit of funding and possibly some place out in the arm pit of no-where (or perhaps in Lonestar) to conduct magic studies. But they will never be "officially" recognized, and all that I have just stated is what the BEST that could happen. At worse, nothing at all will change. (I doubt he'll hunt the vanguard down).

Interesting thought, I bet if CS had stayed with magic, little Jojo would be one hell of a mage by now.

I really hope JoJo does makes the Vanguard an official branch of the military eventually. With his propoganda machine techniques he might be able to convince the others about the "goods" of magic wielded by "good CS human soldiers"

It's one of those, "it would be nice" things...though, in all reality...or sci-fi reality...or whatever...I don't think it would happen.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

I don't see jojo reestablishing the Vanguard as an official group, but he probably would make them more "known" to higher officials and ISS groups as to "turn a blind eye to them". They'd probably even get a bit of funding and possibly some place out in the arm pit of no-where (or perhaps in Lonestar) to conduct magic studies. But they will never be "officially" recognized, and all that I have just stated is what the BEST that could happen. At worse, nothing at all will change. (I doubt he'll hunt the vanguard down).

Interesting thought, I bet if CS had stayed with magic, little Jojo would be one hell of a mage by now.

I really hope JoJo does makes the Vanguard an official branch of the military eventually. With his propoganda machine techniques he might be able to convince the others about the "goods" of magic wielded by "good CS human soldiers"

It's one of those, "it would be nice" things...though, in all reality...or sci-fi reality...or whatever...I don't think it would happen.

yes it wouldbe, yes jojo could with "magic" about them with the rank and file, but i have a feeling once the vaguard figured out the proseks ain't pro human more like pro-prosek they would kill them for betraying the human race that way

[dark brandon]

yes it wouldbe, yes jojo could with "magic" about them with the rank and file, but i have a feeling once the vaguard figured out the proseks ain't pro human more like pro-prosek they would kill them for betraying the human race that way

I don't think that if the vanguard have figured it out by now, they probably won't any time soon.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

yes it wouldbe, yes jojo could with "magic" about them with the rank and file, but i have a feeling once the vaguard figured out the proseks ain't pro human more like pro-prosek they would kill them for betraying the human race that way

I don't think that if the vanguard have figured it out by now, they probably won't any time soon.

all it takes is one comment about thier fellow humans and everything can change real quick

[Mech-Viper Prime]

yes it wouldbe, yes jojo could with "magic" about them with the rank and file, but i have a feeling once the vaguard figured out the proseks ain't pro human more like pro-prosek they would kill them for betraying the human race that way

Why do you say that the proskes are no longer pro-human?

SB1 Yet despite his constant human supremacist speeches, Prosek is not a dedicated supremacist. This Particular emphasis is only a useful means to his ends.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

SB1 Yet despite his constant human supremacist speeches, Prosek is not a dedicated supremacist. This Particular emphasis is only a useful means to his ends.

Liar.

lair? or fact.

[dark brandon]

yes it wouldbe, yes jojo could with "magic" about them with the rank and file, but i have a feeling once the vaguard figured out the proseks ain't pro human more like pro-prosek they would kill them for betraying the human race that way

I dunno. Proseks may not be totally dedicated human supremisist, it is stated in one of the later books they actually DO care about humans (at least the one's in chi-town).

If the vanguard did find out, I don't think they'd kill him. While he would be a hypocrite, they still hold alot of influence on those that are actually totally Pro-human. They'd more than likely continue to back him as long as he doesn't screw things up for humans. Basically, the lesser of two evils. They'd also probably know that if both of them are killed it would create a vacume of power that would cause a civil war which would be bad for CS all around. It would be in their best interest to keep them alive as long as they don't misbehave too severely.

[Kelorin]

I prefer my dbee scum at several hundred yards and under supressing fire while my platoon moves in for the kill. All prisioners will be questioned, then given a quick death.

Now... in all honesty the Coalition military as written is just plan wack. Someone forgot that all these cool toys are nice, but it's the simple grunt that is the queen of the battlefield. How about that airforce? See my point?

I think they need another CS book big time, with a top down look at the military in the following areas.

Personal - The people that make up the CS army, there training and orginisation. Divisions need to be named, assets given.

Equipment - What they use, how they use it, and why they use it. Also little things like Mortors, Heavy Weapons and the various types of support avaible.

Tactics and Doctrine - Not everyone has military training, nor stratigic and tactical understanding. A chapter that explans, in depth how the CS fights. Written by someone with military experance.

No new bots, no new power armor. Please, we have enough of that stuff.

More planes, more infantry weapons like squad weapons ( mortors, heavy machineguns, recoiless riles and the like ) and a better understanding of just how the CS fights.

In all honesty, nay army is first and formost a killing machine. The CS have over one hundred years of combat experance to draw from... they should be damn effective on the field of battle.

How about some sort of shells that screw with the PPE in an area, or that make psykers have massive headaches and nosebleeds... hard to foucs when you feel like your in virtago.

Airforce? please... just give us a decent airforce that makes sense.

I would think the CS would use the c-130 style cargo plane of today, with there own remakings and refittings of course. Gunships? Bombers? Fighters? Spy Planes and Recon birds?

An Airborne Division... even if rifts earth they can be damn effective.

One can only wish.

Now back to killin dbee scum, magic useing devil worshipers and them silly crazys.

If it ain't human, it's tresspassing.

My fellow bretheren, where have you been all my life?

That's all well and good, except for one minor detail. No PC party would ever be able to get the drop on a CS squad ever again. Just like the Nazi war machine, if every thing they did made sense, and they didn't make a whole whack of dumb mistakes, we'd all probably be speaking German.

The CS, as the main 'villains' in Rifts, have to use ridiculous Star Wars Storm Trooper type tactics, like sending idiot upon idiot through a breach in a wall to get cut down. IF the CS used artillery, fire support, and airpower in an intelligent way, it would mean that every time a PC group attacked a CS squad, they would be bringing the wrath of CS air support and artillery down on their heads; and they'd be killed to a man everytime.

What fun what would that be for D-Bee scum everywhere?

[Mech-Viper Prime]

I prefer my dbee scum at several hundred yards and under supressing fire while my platoon moves in for the kill. All prisioners will be questioned, then given a quick death.

Now... in all honesty the Coalition military as written is just plan wack. Someone forgot that all these cool toys are nice, but it's the simple grunt that is the queen of the battlefield. How about that airforce? See my point?

I think they need another CS book big time, with a top down look at the military in the following areas.

Personal - The people that make up the CS army, there training and orginisation. Divisions need to be named, assets given.

Equipment - What they use, how they use it, and why they use it. Also little things like Mortors, Heavy Weapons and the various types of support avaible.

Tactics and Doctrine - Not everyone has military training, nor stratigic and tactical understanding. A chapter that explans, in depth how the CS fights. Written by someone with military experance.

No new bots, no new power armor. Please, we have enough of that stuff.

More planes, more infantry weapons like squad weapons ( mortors, heavy machineguns, recoiless riles and the like ) and a better understanding of just how the CS fights.

In all honesty, nay army is first and formost a killing machine. The CS have over one hundred years of combat experance to draw from... they should be damn effective on the field of battle.

How about some sort of shells that screw with the PPE in an area, or that make psykers have massive headaches and nosebleeds... hard to foucs when you feel like your in virtago.

Airforce? please... just give us a decent airforce that makes sense.

I would think the CS would use the c-130 style cargo plane of today, with there own remakings and refittings of course. Gunships? Bombers? Fighters? Spy Planes and Recon birds?

An Airborne Division... even if rifts earth they can be damn effective.

One can only wish.

Now back to killin dbee scum, magic useing devil worshipers and them silly crazys.

If it ain't human, it's tresspassing.

My fellow bretheren, where have you been all my life?

That's all well and good, except for one minor detail. No PC party would ever be able to get the drop on a CS squad ever again. Just like the Nazi war machine, if every thing they did made sense, and they didn't make a whole whack of dumb mistakes, we'd all probably be speaking German.

The CS, as the main 'villains' in Rifts, have to use ridiculous Star Wars Storm Trooper type tactics, like sending idiot upon idiot through a breach in a wall to get cut down. IF the CS used artillery, fire support, and airpower in an intelligent way, it would mean that every time a PC group attacked a CS squad, they would be bringing the wrath of CS air support and artillery down on their heads; and they'd be killed to a man everytime.

What fun what would that be for D-Bee scum everywhere?

yup if you cant raise up to the challenge you shouldnt mess with the coalition

[Mech-Viper Prime]

personally i like getting players from gm who play the CS weak, i get some of the almost amusing faces when i start out

[dark brandon]

I prefer my dbee scum at several hundred yards and under supressing fire while my platoon moves in for the kill. All prisioners will be questioned, then given a quick death.

Now... in all honesty the Coalition military as written is just plan wack. Someone forgot that all these cool toys are nice, but it's the simple grunt that is the queen of the battlefield. How about that airforce? See my point?

I think they need another CS book big time, with a top down look at the military in the following areas.

Personal - The people that make up the CS army, there training and orginisation. Divisions need to be named, assets given.

Equipment - What they use, how they use it, and why they use it. Also little things like Mortors, Heavy Weapons and the various types of support avaible.

Tactics and Doctrine - Not everyone has military training, nor stratigic and tactical understanding. A chapter that explans, in depth how the CS fights. Written by someone with military experance.

No new bots, no new power armor. Please, we have enough of that stuff.

More planes, more infantry weapons like squad weapons ( mortors, heavy machineguns, recoiless riles and the like ) and a better understanding of just how the CS fights.

In all honesty, nay army is first and formost a killing machine. The CS have over one hundred years of combat experance to draw from... they should be damn effective on the field of battle.

How about some sort of shells that screw with the PPE in an area, or that make psykers have massive headaches and nosebleeds... hard to foucs when you feel like your in virtago.

Airforce? please... just give us a decent airforce that makes sense.

I would think the CS would use the c-130 style cargo plane of today, with there own remakings and refittings of course. Gunships? Bombers? Fighters? Spy Planes and Recon birds?

An Airborne Division... even if rifts earth they can be damn effective.

One can only wish.

Now back to killin dbee scum, magic useing devil worshipers and them silly crazys.

If it ain't human, it's tresspassing.

I could see them publishing a book like this for CS, but it's finding the writer who knows about this stuff that's gonna be the hard part. People will offer advice, but it's a completely different matter to have someone write a whole book, keep it interesting enough to be an RPG book without getting too dull or boring.

Thinking on it, this type of thing would be great material for multiple rifters.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

"wow, that's alot of mdc"
"yes, i been blessed by "good gms"
"well since you're that powerful"
"you shouldnt have that hard of a time with the coalition huh?"
"yeah they are (insert bad word here)"
by the end of the night
"dude you suck the coalition is not that powerful"
"yes they are when the person who uses them knows actual tactics and not that Comand and conquer crap"
"Well i got to go"
"ok see you next week"
player is never seen again

[grandmaster z0b]

Why is it that some CS supporters think that the CS is the only nation that could field a realistic army?

I'll admit that no military force on Rifts earth is realistically portrayed but that doesn't mean that the CS should be the only strong and realistic military force in NA.

Why couldn't a magic weilding force work as a realistic military?

I think that after 300 years of fighting for their lives against hoards of demons and aliens that all the nations that have survived must have developed an efficent and modern military.

[grandmaster z0b]

Why is it that some CS supporters think that the CS is the only nation that could field a realistic army?

I'll admit that no military force on Rifts earth is realistically portrayed but that doesn't mean that the CS should be the only strong and realistic military force in NA.

Why couldn't a magic weilding force work as a realistic military?

I think that after 300 years of fighting for their lives against hoards of demons and aliens that all the nations that have survived must have developed an efficent and modern military.

They are the biggest one around, they have done the most fighting than any other nation, mages really don't bond themselves to a nation for the most part b/c of their "learning" ways that lead theme everywhere. Mages don't rely much on tech choosing to use their magical powers.

Well what about FoM, Tolkeen, Lazlo and New Lazlo? They are nations of mages. Mages don't necessarily need to really on tech if they can replace it with magic (especially TW).

In all honesty, most mages I've played, have played with, and as described in books are usually selfish people who only look out for #1.

They don't like to take orders from others b/c they possess this "magic" ability.

Well that may be true but I have also played with mages that are not like that, and I have played with tech based soldiers who are exactly like your example.

SoT did a pretty good job of having their army described and the tactics they used and they were pretty legit. In the worst point in the war for every 1 tolkeenite taken down 6 CS were taken down.

Totally agree, although I would have liked to see more realistic examples of their guerrilla tactics.

[Mech-Viper Prime]

Why is it that some CS supporters think that the CS is the only nation that could field a realistic army?

i thought tolkeen fielded a a nice size army

I'll admit that no military force on Rifts earth is realistically portrayed but that doesn't mean that the CS should be the only strong and realistic military force in NA.

Why couldn't a magic weilding force work as a realistic military?

who says they cant

I think that after 300 years of fighting for their lives against hoards of demons and aliens that all the nations that have survived must have developed an efficent and modern military.

true after that time people move away from the dangeruos areas and settle someplace safer.

[Ronin Shinobi]

None realy fit my views, but the closest is no, but I don't get in their way. I don't condone alot of their polices but I will not go activly seeking them out and killing CS soldiers, since I know they are doing what they belive is right to protect the human race. However, if my characters encounters a situation where the CS is preforming acts of blatant cruelty murder,or being prejudice. Then I would have no regrets in fighting them in the defense of those they are murdering/surpressing.

[Toc Rat]

Though many disagree with me, I still hold to the romanticized notion that the Coalition is Humanity's last, best hope for survival. And I'm not just talking about survival of the species. I'm talking about things beyond just having a pulse. Though some times twisted and distorted, other times secreted away, the CS is the last depository of a wholly Human civilization and ideals devoid of alien influences. They are all that remains of the glorious American Empire and still hold that great nation's spirit at heart. After they are gone, all that will remain will that which the supernatural monsters, demons, and so-called gods deem appropriate. Even in places that are supposedly bearers of the truth and real history, you will find what few Humans they have there subject to the rule of their unearthly "superiors"... like Lazlo for instance. They claim to be a bastion of peaceful coexistence and enlightenment, but who sits upon their throne? A dragon by the name of Plato. Coincidence? I think not.

Ah Deadboy...nice to see you're still around. This is Janissary by the way. I have had to change my log on ID due to unexpected circumstances

That being said, I couldnt disagree with you more. The CS is the heart of what was once the United States? Come on now If ANY civilization that is on Rifts Earth can make a claim to that its the New Navy. At least they still fly the American Flag! They are also a D E M O C R A C Y...which, correct me if I'm wrong here, was the government of the Pre-Rifts United States? You know, the one I serve as a soldier?

Dont missunderstand me, The CS DOES do a good job of keeping many humans alive on Rifts Earth but the soul of the American empire(United States) ? please....

[Blight]

Though many disagree with me, I still hold to the romanticized notion that the Coalition is Humanity's last, best hope for survival. And I'm not just talking about survival of the species. I'm talking about things beyond just having a pulse. Though some times twisted and distorted, other times secreted away, the CS is the last depository of a wholly Human civilization and ideals devoid of alien influences. They are all that remains of the glorious American Empire and still hold that great nation's spirit at heart. After they are gone, all that will remain will that which the supernatural monsters, demons, and so-called gods deem appropriate. Even in places that are supposedly bearers of the truth and real history, you will find what few Humans they have there subject to the rule of their unearthly "superiors"... like Lazlo for instance. They claim to be a bastion of peaceful coexistence and enlightenment, but who sits upon their throne? A dragon by the name of Plato. Coincidence? I think not.

Amen

[Blight]

I've notice alot of people are cofusing Chi-town with the whole of the CS these wost case stuff is limited to chi-town and Iron heart. FQ in the city 70% are literate 50% are educated. Lone star city of 70% of all citizens are literate 20% of there mutant animals are sam pilots and military specialist 10% are educated and Most generaly treated with respect and have the same freedoms as the human citizens. THe CS is much bigger than Chi-town.

[cornholioprime]

I've notice alot of people are cofusing Chi-town with the whole of the CS these wost case stuff is limited to chi-town and Iron heart. FQ in the city 70% are literate 50% are educated. Lone star city of 70% of all citizens are literate 20% of there mutant animals are sam pilots and military specialist 10% are educated and Most generaly treated with respect and have the same freedoms as the human citizens. THe CS is much bigger than Chi-town.

No offense, Blight, but two things come to mind:

A]] Free Quebec was NEVER really a Coalition States Member; for a short time, they were such in name only. And as far the whole "philosophies" thing goes, Free Quebec was EVERY BIT as Supremacist as Chi-Town ever was.

B]] What do you mean, "worst-case stuff??" Remember that CS Troops -the one who do this "worst-case" stuff as you call it -are culled from ALL OVER the Empire. That's just how Military Dictatorships work; they tend to be all-encompassing within their Sphere of Influence.

Trying to say that the "bad ideas/actions" only come from Chi-Town is like trying to say that ONLY Russia was Communist in the Soviet Union......

[Wōdwulf Seaxaning]

Whether or not I agree with ever stance that the CS holds.I still agree that they are one of the best chances at Human/True Earthling survival. The DeeBees I think should be accepted are those of human origin. Anyway we can bulster the numbers of humans on Earth should be taken. L8r
Sgt Leo MacKenzie CS Commando

[Blight]

Actually I was referring to ANYONE who Supports the CS... Which I just don't understand.

1 it a game 2 it all depends how you role play it. Trust me the first time a good gm discribes a sean were some harmless D-bee that didn't wast on your sweep through that village is later sitting in the intrails of children chewing on the back of a babys skull. Well lets just say that can change how you role play it. Place your self in rifts earth everything seems to want to kill you. Weird monsters are running amuck and no matter how strong you are how hard you fight you can't protect your family or your self. All you can do is run and pray. Your cowering in a corner covering your kids with your body so they might live for 2 more seconds. Then men in black armor bust in with amazing weapon and kill the beast. How would role play your sentiment toward the CS?
Oh ya i was quoting the main book with those stats on educations. I though FQ Was a CS state till the war campain.

[dark brandon]

Okay I have a question for the guys who support the CS. What did you think of the Death Camps?

Well, If I recall correctly, didn't the CS not techniqually support them? They were the workings of a few mad men. But I don't have all the SoT series.

Personally, I don't care much for death camps....

There are much more effective ways to remove the Dbee scum from earth.

[Toc Rat]

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What I want to know is why all these people who try to make the (daffy) connection that the CS represents America of the future aren't behind the New Navy or even the REPUBLIC of Japan. Hell, the Republic of Japan is more like the US than any other nation on the planet. It's safer, literate, has better tech, and actually is capable of (GASP!) D-I-S-T-I-N-G-U-I-S-H-I-N-G between good d-bees and bad ones.[/quote]

Actually I mentioned the New Navy in my post.

[dark brandon]

To CS supports as of 109 P.A.
Correction
Lazlo is ruled by two political bodies the afore mentioned dragon control the council of learning and a cyber knight Sir Thomm (yes he's human) in a head of the congress.
The Federation of magic supports not one but multiple human leaders (Okay their magic users) but your point was the continuation human species I thought.

As proven by tolkeen, magic users, when pressed will sell their souls to demons and devils. Magic corrupts, sending a soul to the devil with a bow on top. Tech is mans work, risen from the depths of his imagination and tempered only by his will alone.

Perhaps the american your trying to preserve is america of the 1800's.

Because, you know, in the 1800's, they had magic users and Dbees and demons running around eating people. Yep...the 1800's. Ah, I remember my great grandpa telling me about how he hunted dinosarus in dinosaur swamp...the good old days.

What I want to know is why all these people who try to make the (daffy) connection that the CS represents America of the future aren't behind the New Navy or even the REPUBLIC of Japan

New Navy is lead by humans infested by alien magics.

Republic of Japan...I hear still produce a great amount of tenticle anime. Only now, they are more along the lines of "fact" than "fantasy".

Hell, the Republic of Japan is more like the US than any other nation on the planet. It's safer, literate, has better tech, and actually is capable of (GASP!) D-I-S-T-I-N-G-U-I-S-H-I-N-G between good d-bees and bad ones.

It was the free relations of knowledge, handed out like candy to anyone that caused the coming of the rifts. Had everyone still had sticks and stones and maybe one nation with tech. superiority, the coming of the rifts probably wouldn't happen. Knowledge is power, and as shown, that power nearly wiped man-kind off the face of the earth! That kind of power cannot be handed out to just any joe off the street. Knowledge is a power, and thus, like any power must be given ONLY to those who show they can handle it.

Remember, just because the public has knowledge doesn't mean it uses it. It's quite evident today as any other time. America is well educated...unfortunatly, (Insert political statment) shows that it doesn't really matter.

Join with us brothers! Do not turn from the only saviors of earth (Quebec and NGR are also acceptable choices)

[dark brandon]

1)I tend to a LOT more open minded than most people. I think that Demons are written Very badly in the sense that they are ALL written as Evil. If Demons existed who's to say that they would nescessarily be Evil?
Anyone here watch Nightmare campus? In that the Demons were the Good guys and the Angels were the Bad guys... It's all perspective people.

I think that those demons are different than demons presented in rifts. Demons in rifts are pretty much one dimensional (except for china). They have to be. They consist of nothing but negitive human emotions. I like the demons in china because, they are still evil, but not insanely blood-thirsty.

If a demon does something that would be concidered "good" it's probably for a selfish end, or it is one of the very few who are turning into 'reformed' demons.

3)Free Quebec Was a Member State until they showed that they were willing to educate the people and not tow the Emperors line like little obidient Dogs.

Even the educated people are still as much (if not more so) intolerant of Dbees and magic users. They refuse to employ psi-stalkers or dog-boys....People continue to say that someone like FQ is for some reason better than CS, just because they educate their populous. But how educated are their populaces? No doubt they have propaganda weaved into every book and movie to make them so intolerant of Dbees. So are they still very "educated"?

[cornholioprime]

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What I want to know is why all these people who try to make the (daffy) connection that the CS represents America of the future aren't behind the New Navy or even the REPUBLIC of Japan. Hell, the Republic of Japan is more like the US than any other nation on the planet. It's safer, literate, has better tech, and actually is capable of (GASP!) D-I-S-T-I-N-G-U-I-S-H-I-N-G between good d-bees and bad ones.

Actually I mentioned the New Navy in my post.

Agreed 100%, except that I think that the New Navy is just a leeeeeetle bit closer to the Ideals of the so-called American Empire....

[dark brandon]

They are educated in the sense that they go to school and LEARN how to read and write, basic mathematics and so-forth whereas the Other CS Are against teaching and learning except for the upper class.

just because they can read/write and basic math doesn't mean anything really. Even with all these skills, they are still intolerant. They just as bad, if not more so, than CS because even with their ability to read, they still choose to be intolerant.

Plus I respect Free Quebec for their independance despite the fact that they are intolerant (CENSORED) Jerks. I have NO respect for the coalition states whatsoever.

United they stand, divided they fall. I have NO respect for any group of people that wish to weaken the last true savoirs of humanity for "individualism".

[dark brandon]

Okay... are you playing a character or are you REALLY like this?

Yep. I'm REALLY like this. cause, you know, dailly I see dbees and demons and dragons walking the streets threatening to eat human beings.

Yep...I'm really really like this...

Blasted mages....I'll get you...and your little familiars too!!!!1111

In otherwords...no one can REALLY be like this because...now, i know this may be a shock...so be prepared...RIFTS isnt' real. GASP!!!!!