What location did Erin Tarn ACTUALLY visited?

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Re: What location did Erin Tarn ACTUALLY visited?

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Giant2005 wrote:
Shark_Force wrote:there's the fact that her response to its publication was to not endorse it because she felt it was incomplete, rather than denouncing it as lies and defamation. there's the fact that it was published by people who are colleagues, acquaintances, and personal friends, who plainly don't have the goal of ruining her scholastic reputation because the book is in high demand and is widely considered to be the best source of information about the world available. there's the fact that kevin tells us that this excerpt *is* the report which erin tarn submitted. there's the fact that it's a compilation of stuff written by her, not a revision of stuff written by her.

Kevin never says that Tarn submitted anything. He specifically states that she won't even endorse the writing.
Erin wrote the letters.
Lazlo commissioned the Book that compiled the letters (considering that the paragraph explains Tarn "refused to write the volume herself, we can be 100% sure that they commissioned someone else to do it).
Lazlo published the tome.
Kevin took an excerpt from the fictional tome to present to us.


That is the order of operations and as you can see, beyond writing the letters, Tarn had nothing at all to do with it - she actively refused to be a participant.
Stop saying otherwise - blatant misinformation only serves to weaken your argument.


kevin *does* say she submitted something. that something was later included into the book. she wasn't happy about the book being published, but it is extremely clear that she *did* publish that earlier report. and since the only part of the book we see is that earlier report which was included in the book, the parts about why she didn't endorse the full book are not relevant to the excerpt which we have, which *is* something she professionally authored and published.
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Re: What location did Erin Tarn ACTUALLY visited?

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Giant2005 wrote:
Shark_Force wrote:there's the fact that her response to its publication was to not endorse it because she felt it was incomplete, rather than denouncing it as lies and defamation. there's the fact that it was published by people who are colleagues, acquaintances, and personal friends, who plainly don't have the goal of ruining her scholastic reputation because the book is in high demand and is widely considered to be the best source of information about the world available. there's the fact that kevin tells us that this excerpt *is* the report which erin tarn submitted. there's the fact that it's a compilation of stuff written by her, not a revision of stuff written by her.

Kevin never says that Tarn submitted anything. He specifically states that she won't even endorse the writing.


She never submitted anything with the intention of it becoming a book.
She DID submit her World Overview to Lazlo as the piece that they commissioned.
The semantics of the word "submit" in this context can be debated, but to no real end- the point is that the World Overview is a professional piece that she wrote for pay.
She doesn't endorse the book that the piece ended up in, but to claim that she doesn't endorse the piece would be odd, since it is something that she agreed to write, that she wrote under her own name, and that she was paid for.

Erin wrote the letters.
Lazlo commissioned the Book that compiled the letters (considering that the paragraph explains Tarn "refused to write the volume herself, we can be 100% sure that they commissioned someone else to do it).


Only if you believe that Kevin was lying when he specifically states (Rifts 137)
It is also the Council at the Free State of Lazlo who have published the tome.

The Council compiled the letters and such into a book, and the Council published that book.

Lazlo published the tome.


Yes.
Specifically, the Council of Learning.

Kevin took an excerpt from the fictional tome to present to us.


Yes.
And that excerpt is a complete work in of itself as well, which we know because Kevin tells us (Rifts 137):
What follows is a brief world overview written by historian and explorer, Erin Tarn.
and
The excerpt which follows is a world overview commissioned by the Council of Learning...

What we are reading IS:
a) An excerpt from the book "Traversing Our Modern World"
b) A professional piece written and endorsed by Tarn, and turned in for payment.

We know that what we are reading is both of these things, because Kevin tells us so in the introduction, as directly quoted by me in this post (as in many others).
And in order for what we're reading to be both what is in the book and what Tarn turned in, both of those things have to be the same thing.
If A=B, and B=C, then A=C.
Which means that what we are reading in the Rifts book are the unaltered words of Erin Tarn.
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