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K20A2_S wrote:

Mech-Viper wrote:hey lets not forget the Darkhounds , dunscon failed attempt to turn dog boys against the coalition, since most of protect or fight along side of the coaliton when any of dunscon forces show up and coalition solidiers view them as good luck

When did that happen?

On a side note, when CS does finally go to war with FoM, they're going to be pumping out Dog Boys out of lone star like crazy b/c of how many they'll expect to die and of course they would want more for all the magic users they'll be hunting.

K20A2_S wrote:

Geronimo 2.0 wrote:Their people are so coraled that I'd hardly consider them as living as humans, more like a bunch of cattle or sheep. The leadership are the very essence of everything evil in man.

You talking about the CS or FoM, or someone else?

Mech-Viper wrote:so if the coalition is ever destroyed between the remains of coalition states,vanguard, and darkhounds there will be hell to pay

darkbrandon wrote:

Mech-Viper wrote:so if the coalition is ever destroyed between the remains of coalition states,vanguard, and darkhounds there will be hell to pay

and FQ, NGR. and while there may be hell to pay, the vanguard, and darkhounds are too few in numbers to bring about hell.

CS wouldn't go down without taking the world with them. They would use their nukes if Chi-town were in danger. Not everyone has the triangle defence rift grid thing. And you don't need to hit dead center to cause massive destruction with a Nuke. No, the fall of the CS would probably be a bad thing for everyone.

K20A2_S wrote:

Magnus wrote:They said the same thing about greece and roman. I can't help but notice we're all here

Even though you have a good point in what you're saying, they weren't fighting for the survival of mankind.

K20A2_S wrote:

genericman wrote:why i voted huh? well um ....d-bee pride thats why. i know not a very good reason but hey i'm all for those d-bees (thrusts fist in air, and starts chanting) "D-Bee pride, D-Bee pride"

We have no problem with D-bee pride, just do it on your own planet............or prepare to DIE!

K20A2_S wrote:

Mech-Viper wrote:i see the d-bee parade on d-bee pride day in lazlo, carrying thier signs i'm a person too

Don't let the CS find out, they'll drop the bomb right in the middle of the parade, take em all out(most) in one nice strike.

K20A2_S wrote:

Kestrel wrote:If a question like this keeps you up at night, you take the game too seriously.

I don't sleep at all thinking about all those women and child d-bees I've killed. I wake up in a sweat yelling out my commanding officers name while hiding in my closet. Maybe I shouldn't take it so seriuos.

K20A2_S wrote:

Kestrel wrote:If a question like this keeps you up at night, you take the game too seriously.

I don't sleep at all thinking about all those women and child d-bees I've killed. I wake up in a sweat yelling out my commanding officers name while hiding in my closet. Maybe I shouldn't take it so seriuos.

K20A2_S wrote:That's wierd, the %'s only add up to 98%, who's stealing the other 2%

But on a side note, look like CS hatred has doubled since the poll first started b/c the first week or so thier was only 9-13% that would shoot CS on sight.

Mech-Viper wrote:

K20A2_S wrote:That's wierd, the %'s only add up to 98%, who's stealing the other 2%

But on a side note, look like CS hatred has doubled since the poll first started b/c the first week or so thier was only 9-13% that would shoot CS on sight.

well the pro coalition side could do the same thing by login as different names and pumping up the count but i see no reason too, kinda like voting 3-4 times for the same person or subject

K20A2_S wrote:My name is "Joe Smith" and I'm a INTRANET multiple poll voter.

*Sighs*

darkbrandon wrote:

Mech-Viper wrote:

K20A2_S wrote:That's wierd, the %'s only add up to 98%, who's stealing the other 2%

But on a side note, look like CS hatred has doubled since the poll first started b/c the first week or so thier was only 9-13% that would shoot CS on sight.

well the pro coalition side could do the same thing by login as different names and pumping up the count but i see no reason too, kinda like voting 3-4 times for the same person or subject

I don't think either side is doing that. I mean, you'd have to be some serious loser to spend your time creating other accounts just so you can vote multiple times on one subject matter. While I do believe there may be some out there whos very life balances on the razors edge wire that is an INTARNET POLL...i'm not sure where I was going with this, I just wanted to use the word INTARNET POLL.

PS. If you vote multiple times on INTARNET POLLS...you seriously, seriously....need to get a life. No, not saying this mean, just really, if you feel that your so entitled to be right that you will do this....just...wow...sad.

I pitty you. Then again...Don't worry, everything will be fine. I"M from the INTARNET.

K20A2_S wrote:

Mech-Viper wrote:this one since 2000 i think, but there was other one before that

Just wondering b/c the last thread on this forum only goes back to Jan. 26 2004.

Kalinda wrote:I think they delete threads after awhile to save space. besides, we just repeat the same threads over and over anyway.

Kalinda wrote:I think they delete threads after awhile to save space. besides, we just repeat the same threads over and over anyway.

K20A2_S wrote:

darkbrandon wrote:I don't see jojo reestablishing the Vanguard as an official group, but he probably would make them more "known" to higher officials and ISS groups as to "turn a blind eye to them". They'd probably even get a bit of funding and possibly some place out in the arm pit of no-where (or perhaps in Lonestar) to conduct magic studies. But they will never be "officially" recognized, and all that I have just stated is what the BEST that could happen. At worse, nothing at all will change. (I doubt he'll hunt the vanguard down).

Interesting thought, I bet if CS had stayed with magic, little Jojo would be one hell of a mage by now.

I really hope JoJo does makes the Vanguard an official branch of the military eventually. With his propoganda machine techniques he might be able to convince the others about the "goods" of magic wielded by "good CS human soldiers"

darkbrandon wrote:

K20A2_S wrote:

darkbrandon wrote:I don't see jojo reestablishing the Vanguard as an official group, but he probably would make them more "known" to higher officials and ISS groups as to "turn a blind eye to them". They'd probably even get a bit of funding and possibly some place out in the arm pit of no-where (or perhaps in Lonestar) to conduct magic studies. But they will never be "officially" recognized, and all that I have just stated is what the BEST that could happen. At worse, nothing at all will change. (I doubt he'll hunt the vanguard down).

Interesting thought, I bet if CS had stayed with magic, little Jojo would be one hell of a mage by now.

I really hope JoJo does makes the Vanguard an official branch of the military eventually. With his propoganda machine techniques he might be able to convince the others about the "goods" of magic wielded by "good CS human soldiers"

It's one of those, "it would be nice" things...though, in all reality...or sci-fi reality...or whatever...I don't think it would happen.

Mech-Viper wrote: yes it wouldbe, yes jojo could with "magic" about them with the rank and file, but i have a feeling once the vaguard figured out the proseks ain't pro human more like pro-prosek they would kill them for betraying the human race that way

darkbrandon wrote:

Mech-Viper wrote: yes it wouldbe, yes jojo could with "magic" about them with the rank and file, but i have a feeling once the vaguard figured out the proseks ain't pro human more like pro-prosek they would kill them for betraying the human race that way

I don't think that if the vanguard have figured it out by now, they probably won't any time soon.

K20A2_S wrote:

Mech-Viper wrote: yes it wouldbe, yes jojo could with "magic" about them with the rank and file, but i have a feeling once the vaguard figured out the proseks ain't pro human more like pro-prosek they would kill them for betraying the human race that way

Why do you say that the proskes are no longer pro-human?

K20A2_S wrote:

Mech-Viper wrote:SB1 Yet despite his constant human supremacist speeches, Prosek is not a dedicated supremacist. This Particular emphasis is only a useful means to his ends.

Liar.

yes it wouldbe, yes jojo could with "magic" about them with the rank and file, but i have a feeling once the vaguard figured out the proseks ain't pro human more like pro-prosek they would kill them for betraying the human race that way

K20A2_S wrote:

Coalition Soldier wrote:I prefer my dbee scum at several hundred yards and under supressing fire while my platoon moves in for the kill. All prisioners will be questioned, then given a quick death.

Now... in all honesty the Coalition military as written is just plan wack. Someone forgot that all these cool toys are nice, but it's the simple grunt that is the queen of the battlefield. How about that airforce? See my point?

I think they need another CS book big time, with a top down look at the military in the following areas.

Personal - The people that make up the CS army, there training and orginisation. Divisions need to be named, assets given.

Equipment - What they use, how they use it, and why they use it. Also little things like Mortors, Heavy Weapons and the various types of support avaible.

Tactics and Doctrine - Not everyone has military training, nor stratigic and tactical understanding. A chapter that explans, in depth how the CS fights. Written by someone with military experance.

No new bots, no new power armor. Please, we have enough of that stuff.

More planes, more infantry weapons like squad weapons ( mortors, heavy machineguns, recoiless riles and the like ) and a better understanding of just how the CS fights.

In all honesty, nay army is first and formost a killing machine. The CS have over one hundred years of combat experance to draw from... they should be damn effective on the field of battle.

How about some sort of shells that screw with the PPE in an area, or that make psykers have massive headaches and nosebleeds... hard to foucs when you feel like your in virtago.

Airforce? please... just give us a decent airforce that makes sense.

I would think the CS would use the c-130 style cargo plane of today, with there own remakings and refittings of course. Gunships? Bombers? Fighters? Spy Planes and Recon birds?

An Airborne Division... even if rifts earth they can be damn effective.

One can only wish.

Now back to killin dbee scum, magic useing devil worshipers and them silly crazys.

If it ain't human, it's tresspassing.

My fellow bretheren, where have you been all my life?

Kelorin wrote:

K20A2_S wrote:

Coalition Soldier wrote:I prefer my dbee scum at several hundred yards and under supressing fire while my platoon moves in for the kill. All prisioners will be questioned, then given a quick death.

Now... in all honesty the Coalition military as written is just plan wack. Someone forgot that all these cool toys are nice, but it's the simple grunt that is the queen of the battlefield. How about that airforce? See my point?

I think they need another CS book big time, with a top down look at the military in the following areas.

Personal - The people that make up the CS army, there training and orginisation. Divisions need to be named, assets given.

Equipment - What they use, how they use it, and why they use it. Also little things like Mortors, Heavy Weapons and the various types of support avaible.

Tactics and Doctrine - Not everyone has military training, nor stratigic and tactical understanding. A chapter that explans, in depth how the CS fights. Written by someone with military experance.

No new bots, no new power armor. Please, we have enough of that stuff.

More planes, more infantry weapons like squad weapons ( mortors, heavy machineguns, recoiless riles and the like ) and a better understanding of just how the CS fights.

In all honesty, nay army is first and formost a killing machine. The CS have over one hundred years of combat experance to draw from... they should be damn effective on the field of battle.

How about some sort of shells that screw with the PPE in an area, or that make psykers have massive headaches and nosebleeds... hard to foucs when you feel like your in virtago.

Airforce? please... just give us a decent airforce that makes sense.

I would think the CS would use the c-130 style cargo plane of today, with there own remakings and refittings of course. Gunships? Bombers? Fighters? Spy Planes and Recon birds?

An Airborne Division... even if rifts earth they can be damn effective.

One can only wish.

Now back to killin dbee scum, magic useing devil worshipers and them silly crazys.

If it ain't human, it's tresspassing.

My fellow bretheren, where have you been all my life?

That's all well and good, except for one minor detail. No PC party would ever be able to get the drop on a CS squad ever again. Just like the Nazi war machine, if every thing they did made sense, and they didn't make a whole whack of dumb mistakes, we'd all probably be speaking German.

The CS, as the main 'villains' in Rifts, have to use ridiculous Star Wars Storm Trooper type tactics, like sending idiot upon idiot through a breach in a wall to get cut down. IF the CS used artillery, fire support, and airpower in an intelligent way, it would mean that every time a PC group attacked a CS squad, they would be bringing the wrath of CS air support and artillery down on their heads; and they'd be killed to a man everytime.

What fun what would that be for D-Bee scum everywhere?

Coalition Soldier wrote:I prefer my dbee scum at several hundred yards and under supressing fire while my platoon moves in for the kill. All prisioners will be questioned, then given a quick death.

Now... in all honesty the Coalition military as written is just plan wack. Someone forgot that all these cool toys are nice, but it's the simple grunt that is the queen of the battlefield. How about that airforce? See my point?

I think they need another CS book big time, with a top down look at the military in the following areas.

Personal - The people that make up the CS army, there training and orginisation. Divisions need to be named, assets given.

Equipment - What they use, how they use it, and why they use it. Also little things like Mortors, Heavy Weapons and the various types of support avaible.

Tactics and Doctrine - Not everyone has military training, nor stratigic and tactical understanding. A chapter that explans, in depth how the CS fights. Written by someone with military experance.

No new bots, no new power armor. Please, we have enough of that stuff.

More planes, more infantry weapons like squad weapons ( mortors, heavy machineguns, recoiless riles and the like ) and a better understanding of just how the CS fights.

In all honesty, nay army is first and formost a killing machine. The CS have over one hundred years of combat experance to draw from... they should be damn effective on the field of battle.

How about some sort of shells that screw with the PPE in an area, or that make psykers have massive headaches and nosebleeds... hard to foucs when you feel like your in virtago.

Airforce? please... just give us a decent airforce that makes sense.

I would think the CS would use the c-130 style cargo plane of today, with there own remakings and refittings of course. Gunships? Bombers? Fighters? Spy Planes and Recon birds?

An Airborne Division... even if rifts earth they can be damn effective.

One can only wish.

Now back to killin dbee scum, magic useing devil worshipers and them silly crazys.

If it ain't human, it's tresspassing.

K20A2_S wrote:

z0b wrote:Why is it that some CS supporters think that the CS is the only nation that could field a realistic army?

I'll admit that no military force on Rifts earth is realistically portrayed but that doesn't mean that the CS should be the only strong and realistic military force in NA.

Why couldn't a magic weilding force work as a realistic military?

I think that after 300 years of fighting for their lives against hoards of demons and aliens that all the nations that have survived must have developed an efficent and modern military.

They are the biggest one around, they have done the most fighting than any other nation, mages really don't bond themselves to a nation for the most part b/c of their "learning" ways that lead theme everywhere. Mages don't rely much on tech choosing to use their magical powers.

In all honesty, most mages I've played, have played with, and as described in books are usually selfish people who only look out for #1.

They don't like to take orders from others b/c they possess this "magic" ability.

SoT did a pretty good job of having their army described and the tactics they used and they were pretty legit. In the worst point in the war for every 1 tolkeenite taken down 6 CS were taken down.

z0b wrote:Why is it that some CS supporters think that the CS is the only nation that could field a realistic army?

I'll admit that no military force on Rifts earth is realistically portrayed but that doesn't mean that the CS should be the only strong and realistic military force in NA.

Why couldn't a magic weilding force work as a realistic military?

I think that after 300 years of fighting for their lives against hoards of demons and aliens that all the nations that have survived must have developed an efficent and modern military.

Dead Boy wrote:Though many disagree with me, I still hold to the romanticized notion that the Coalition is Humanity's last, best hope for survival. And I'm not just talking about survival of the species. I'm talking about things beyond just having a pulse. Though some times twisted and distorted, other times secreted away, the CS is the last depository of a wholly Human civilization and ideals devoid of alien influences. They are all that remains of the glorious American Empire and still hold that great nation's spirit at heart. After they are gone, all that will remain will that which the supernatural monsters, demons, and so-called gods deem appropriate. Even in places that are supposedly bearers of the truth and real history, you will find what few Humans they have there subject to the rule of their unearthly "superiors"... like Lazlo for instance. They claim to be a bastion of peaceful coexistence and enlightenment, but who sits upon their throne? A dragon by the name of Plato. Coincidence? I think not.

Dead Boy wrote:Though many disagree with me, I still hold to the romanticized notion that the Coalition is Humanity's last, best hope for survival. And I'm not just talking about survival of the species. I'm talking about things beyond just having a pulse. Though some times twisted and distorted, other times secreted away, the CS is the last depository of a wholly Human civilization and ideals devoid of alien influences. They are all that remains of the glorious American Empire and still hold that great nation's spirit at heart. After they are gone, all that will remain will that which the supernatural monsters, demons, and so-called gods deem appropriate. Even in places that are supposedly bearers of the truth and real history, you will find what few Humans they have there subject to the rule of their unearthly "superiors"... like Lazlo for instance. They claim to be a bastion of peaceful coexistence and enlightenment, but who sits upon their throne? A dragon by the name of Plato. Coincidence? I think not.

Blight wrote:I've notice alot of people are cofusing Chi-town with the whole of the CS these wost case stuff is limited to chi-town and Iron heart. FQ in the city 70% are literate 50% are educated. Lone star city of 70% of all citizens are literate 20% of there mutant animals are sam pilots and military specialist 10% are educated and Most generaly treated with respect and have the same freedoms as the human citizens. THe CS is much bigger than Chi-town.

Robert wrote:Actually I was referring to ANYONE who Supports the CS... Which I just don't understand.

Robert wrote:Okay I have a question for the guys who support the CS. What did you think of the Death Camps?

Magnus wrote:To CS supports as of 109 P.A.
Correction
Lazlo is ruled by two political bodies the afore mentioned dragon control the council of learning and a cyber knight Sir Thomm (yes he's human) in a head of the congress.
The Federation of magic supports not one but multiple human leaders (Okay their magic users) but your point was the continuation human species I thought.

Perhaps the american your trying to preserve is america of the 1800's.

What I want to know is why all these people who try to make the (daffy) connection that the CS represents America of the future aren't behind the New Navy or even the REPUBLIC of Japan

Hell, the Republic of Japan is more like the US than any other nation on the planet. It's safer, literate, has better tech, and actually is capable of (GASP!) D-I-S-T-I-N-G-U-I-S-H-I-N-G between good d-bees and bad ones.

Robert wrote:1)I tend to a LOT more open minded than most people. I think that Demons are written Very badly in the sense that they are ALL written as Evil. If Demons existed who's to say that they would nescessarily be Evil?
Anyone here watch Nightmare campus? In that the Demons were the Good guys and the Angels were the Bad guys... It's all perspective people.

Robert wrote:
3)Free Quebec Was a Member State until they showed that they were willing to educate the people and not tow the Emperors line like little obidient Dogs.

Toc Rat wrote:[quote

What I want to know is why all these people who try to make the (daffy) connection that the CS represents America of the future aren't behind the New Navy or even the REPUBLIC of Japan. Hell, the Republic of Japan is more like the US than any other nation on the planet. It's safer, literate, has better tech, and actually is capable of (GASP!) D-I-S-T-I-N-G-U-I-S-H-I-N-G between good d-bees and bad ones.

Actually I mentioned the New Navy in my post.

Robert wrote:They are educated in the sense that they go to school and LEARN how to read and write, basic mathematics and so-forth whereas the Other CS Are against teaching and learning except for the upper class.

Plus I respect Free Quebec for their independance despite the fact that they are intolerant (CENSORED) Jerks. I have NO respect for the coalition states whatsoever.

Robert wrote:Okay... are you playing a character or are you REALLY like this?