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Or at the very least create a weapon for the underwater GB that has super cavitating capabilities.
What do you think of those ideas? Hope someone likes them.
Of course in Phase World equip a GB with both a P Field and a OP field unit.
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Why not just a multi-barrel or constant beam B-G laser, what is it with people and spinning guns. 1st a Gatling style will be a little bigger and only save on the firing mechanism yet require more mechanical stuff that can break down. Not to mention that your trying to spin something underwater... it will cause the GB to move and cause stress on an unecessary mechanical component. How about instead of using a railgun which has open electrical contacts you switch to a coilgun type tech and instead of using it for the gun you mount two over the back and use it for propulsion? The black box from the Wild Weasel SAMAS is ECM the Marine GB would need SCM as radar doesn't work well (at all) underwater due to water being dense enough to reflect the microwaves.Aramanthus wrote:And what if you could get that Glitterboy moving at up to super cavitating speeds.And then giving it a gattling multibarrel blue green laser. And some mini torpedos. And then rig up some up a model with something like the black box on the SAMAS out of the New West.
Or at the very least create a weapon for the underwater GB that has super cavitating capabilities.
What do you think of those ideas? Hope someone likes them.
Of course in Phase World equip a GB with both a P Field and a OP field unit.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::puke: Nice ads!taalismn wrote:THis should go under the ONTOS II thread because it's Paladin Steel, but sicne Aramanthus mentioned supercavitating bullets...
Paladin Steel SuperCavitation Bullets(aka ‘HydroShots’)
“I have a perfectly adequate gun here, and a perfectly nasty swamp-bugger sitting under the surface... and I gotta pull my vibroknife and go in after that bastard before it chews out the bottom of my ride, because my perfectly adequate gun can’t shoot three feet into the water before the shells become dead weight and do diddley squat....thus ruining my perfectly adequate day ....I hate water....”
“Here, try a clip of these...”
-----5ST Sales Representative making a snap on-site sale in the Alabama bayous
“Don’t think you can just pop a clip of these things in your shoulder cannon and start popping away at any old underwater target like you were plugging ducks....refraction’s a ***** who will get you to lose most of your ammo plinking at optical illusions....Spend the extra mullah on a few hundred rounds you’re going to waste anyway and practice shooting at subsurface targets so you can get the hang of it....The bigger guns use sensor hookups and computer targetting, but you’re not going to have the luxury, so get in the habit so you can automatically compensate for the water-air interface...”
----Lord Krudiah, Tanelorn Planetary Evaluator, posing as ‘Krudiah Cromwell’, Mercenary and Commander of the Blackwind Irregulars
“Willya QUIT that, ALREADY!?! You’ve already shot away most of our HydroShots and I don’t know when we’re going to be able to get any more!!!”
“But...trout hunting....is so fun!”
After a slow start on Paladin Steel’s part on naval projects, Vernon Bach’s Maritime Projects and Naval Engineering Branch-division is now swimming in various programs, both in the recovery of lost technologies, and in the development of new ones. One pre-Rifts technology that has caused a great amount of excitment in the division, and into which PS has begun substantial investment, is the development of supercavitation.....methods of creating a thin envelope of low pressure around submerged objects, allowing them to move far faster through the thick medium of water.
Supercavitation bullets are just one aspect of the many product lines under study and production by Paladin Steel. SCP (SuperCavitation Projectiles) Bullets are specially configured to create a low pressure ‘skin’ around themselves when fired through water, allowing them to move further and faster, before being slowed down by the massive resistance of the medium. Orginally designed for anti-mine work, SCPs saw some use in the old pre-Rifts United States Navy, but most information and stockpiles of them were lost along with the coastal bases when the Rifts swept Earth. PS has now resurrected the design line, producing a variety of calibers. The major change in the bullets is in the shape of the projectile, a sort of flat-nosed slug on smaller bullets, or a spike and ring configuration on heavier shells(this may interfere with the compatibility of supercavitation capability on smaller projectile warhead types like armor-piercing and THV bullets).
SuperCavitating bullets still don’t deliver the sort of range and velocity that could match aerial projectiles, or that of self-propelled projectiles like mini-torps, but they allow ordinary firearms to be converted into effective underwater weapons. With the addition of explosive bullets, such as Triax, Wellington, and T-Tech rounds, the lack of penetration capability is balanced by the ability to deliver a solid explosive punch to the target.
Paladin Steel currently makes supercavitating bullets for small arms and underwater rail guns(under the tradename HydroShots) , but is also developing SCPs for the cannon of surface warships for engaging targets just below the surface of the water(like monsters, mines, or torpedoes).
Bonuses: Regular chemical projectile can travel 20% of its normal range through the water; not a heckuva lot for lighter, smaller, short ranged projectiles, but substantial for larger, more powerful types. Rail Guns have an underwater range of 25% of their regular range, thanks to their higher initial muzzle velocity. So a rail gun with 4,000 ft range, would have an 1,000 ft range underwater. Atmospheric range remains the same.
Penalties: Can only be used with solid slug and high explosive ammunition types.
When applied to heavier artillery pieces, use only the DIRECT effective fire range(not the indirect ballistic fire range)
Also, at great depth and pressure, range begins to suffer with the greater resistance offered by the water; at depths of 5,000 ft, range is reduced by 1/4....at 2 miles by HALF....This makes normal projectile weapons less cost effective to modify for deep sea operations, and rail guns the weapons of choice if lasers, ion weapons, or sonics are unavailable.
Cost: Adds 15% to cost of the shell/projectile
Note: Triax has a similar program, equipping their own navy, with examples being the TXP Quad Rifle, TXS-600, and TXS-800 rail guns. Triax supercavitation munitions research is slightly more advanced than Paladin Steel’s program(they are able to squeeze an additional 3-5% extra range) on account of their longer-established research initiative and larger research facilities on the European coast.
Note2: The Kittani use a similar concept in their underwater railguns, but their railgun projectiles seem to be composed of an ultra-dense core metal surrounded by a more flexible sheath of lighter, more malleable metal, controlled by a micro-chip sensor that can alter the shape of the round with minute electrical charges as it speeds through the water, reading both the water’s resistance and the drag it imposes, and adjusts the shape of the projectile for maximum efficiency, while still retaining optimal penetration characteristics. Thus, Kittani rail guns have HALF range underwater. PS is also studying the metallurgical composition and its associated micro-chip in captured Kittani weapons, but successful duplication of the technology remains years, if not decades away, owing to the Kittani lead in microelectronics.
Water-sel Muzzle Attachment
Part of a standardized kit to modify ordinary firearms for amphibious use. This muzzle attachment improves on previous models by incorporating an ultra-thin layer of waterproof oil-based nano-gel to create a self-healing membrane that reseals after the projectile passes through it, quickly enough to prevent water from entering the barrel and fouling the gun mechanisms.
Note: Good for depths down to 2,000 ft
Cost: 350 credits
MrMom wrote:how about a GB that has been refitted with a Harpoon Gun with a wench. Also How about one refitted with a Gun that fires Nets and the GB carries a Vibro Trident.
Zer0 Kay wrote:MrMom wrote:how about a GB that has been refitted with a Harpoon Gun with a wench. Also How about one refitted with a Gun that fires Nets and the GB carries a Vibro Trident.
Uh... what does a serving girl have to do with anything?
MrMom wrote:pardon me if i spelled winch wrong.
MrMom wrote:How about a GB that carries around a giant warhammer for close combat.
Rimmerdal wrote:Alot robots look alike to most of us. It's like Body armour. there's only stylistic difference only. they all do the same thing.
Did you? I was actually just saying that because the words sound similar. Sorry to point that out.MrMom wrote:pardon me if i spelled winch wrong.
Still the problem of taking up space it doesn't need to. What would be the benifit of making it gatling? Again why not a single barrel that fires a continuous beam? The heat problem is somewhat solved since it would be in the water.Aramanthus wrote:Okay maybe I should have said to put the gattling B-G laser within a special casing to eliminate and excess friction with the water.
::Darkstone:: wrote:MrMom wrote:How about a gb with a microwave cannon instead of the boom gun. I dont have all of the books so i dont know if PB even uses Microwave tech.
That just beggs the tag-line "Kicks-butt and makes a nice TV dinner in the process."
Tho I don't see why an adaptation couldn't be made.
MrMom wrote:How about a gb with a microwave cannon instead of the boom gun. I dont have all of the books so i dont know if PB even uses Microwave tech.
Zer0 Kay wrote:::Darkstone:: wrote:MrMom wrote:How about a gb with a microwave cannon instead of the boom gun. I dont have all of the books so i dont know if PB even uses Microwave tech.
That just beggs the tag-line "Kicks-butt and makes a nice TV dinner in the process."
Tho I don't see why an adaptation couldn't be made.Oh Oh Shoot the cornfield!!!!!!!!!!
Zer0 Kay wrote:::Darkstone:: wrote:MrMom wrote:How about a gb with a microwave cannon instead of the boom gun. I dont have all of the books so i dont know if PB even uses Microwave tech.
That just beggs the tag-line "Kicks-butt and makes a nice TV dinner in the process."
Tho I don't see why an adaptation couldn't be made.Oh Oh Shoot the cornfield!!!!!!!!!!
Huh?? I'm the one who suggested it Talismnn just suggested the Buttertroll.Aramanthus wrote:That's a great one Talismn! Popcorn in Rifts! Would it be MD pop corn? How many teeth would people break?
A GB with a couple of short ranged weapons might be something to add along with the boom gun to give it short range punch.
taalismn wrote:*Silver Queen
Supposedly the brainchild of a brilliantly demented mad scientist with access to a former NEMA factory complex hidden somewhere in the New West, the Glitterboy(girls?) known as the Silver Queen is remarkabel but for its ability to deploy a 'horde' of smaller (2-3 ft tall) 'miniatures'...dwarf Glitterboys, presumably robots...that act as as skirmishers, scouts, and raiders for their 'mother'....the 'minis' have roughly 100 MDC each, have the characteristic Glitterboy laser-reflective armor, a Robotic P.S. of 18, can run twice as fast as their parent, and have fully articulated hands, allowing them to pick up and use conventionalw eaponry. In place of a Boom Gun, each mini or 'glitterimp' carries a shoulder-mount laser(3,000 ft range, 4d6 MD per shot) or grenade launcher(with 50 rounds). They also tend to carry vibrosabres.
SilverQueen has been seen to direct up to two dozen 'glitterimps', often using them to flank and ambush an oppoent trying to close in on the lone Glitterboy, as well as to lure pursuers into a trap. They are aos sent forth to scavenge victimes of the Glitterboy, recovering weapons, armor, and cybernetics/bionics(presumably for re-sale),
SilverQueen alledgely appeared on the escape routes out of Tolkeen, hitting BOTH CS patrols and Tolken Vengeance Squads, so it's not entirely clear who the SilverQueen really sides with....
taalismn wrote:Rimmerdal wrote:mmm Rifts street meat..
Flooper. Fried, broiled, or chipped.
It's like eating Chinese.
FLOOP! And you're hungry again.
FlikSilverscales wrote:I like the ideas so far. Good job. I, myself, have been thinking about something else recently. It isn't legendary, but I think we should include some new accessories to the Glitterboy armor.
One that I have been thinking about is something I call the "Glitterfly." It would be a small drone about the size of a dragonfly. It's purposes would include recon and homing device. Now the idea is that the drone will work independently or by remote. It will survey an area, relatively unnoticed, and send information back to the Glitterboy pilot. It will also have a homing device, so it can attach itself to an important targets and the Glitterboy will be able to locate the target from a far. This will be especially useful to the Taurus Glitterboy, because it will increase accuracy with the mortar rounds and other types of artillery.
If anyone is interested, I can figure out stats for it, but I need to hear some feedback first. Then I will create a new thread, so it is easier to find. Hope to hear from people soon.