Tiree wrote:I see the problem, you are adding in all the character death's from the whole Macross Series, not the survivors. Still based on this, what about: The Mayor, and the other small but lame characters that were present? We don't know what happened to them...
It's called being thorough... there weren't that many Macross Saga characters left in the series before
Shadow Chronicles and
Prelude rolled in anyway. I'm not talking about minor background characters nobody cares about, I'm talking about ones that actually matter to the story... who are also the ones that pose the biggest legal problem if they were to appear. The background filler characters are almost certainly dead anyway, either by old age or by being on the wrong end of two further genocidal wars with aliens... not that they matter.
Tiree wrote:But in either cases, these characters die in order to further the story.
That's a weak argument and you know it. Harmony Gold has always tried to pander to the majority of
Robotech fans (aka Macross Saga fans), since that's what brings the money in. Since neither Harmony Gold nor Tatsunoko owns the copyrights on the character designs of the original
Macross, those characters were already out-of-bounds for the
Shadow Chronicles movie. It was a choice between getting rid of them or completely redesigning them to the point of being unrecognizable. Rick was a plot-critical piece, so he got the redesign, and everyone else got put on a bus.
Tiree wrote:I don't recall Exedore's death, but if it happened it was also a plot element to show how the Duekalion was important. And I still don't buy that ALL the Zentraedi forces died in battle
Exedore was standing about six feet from Janice when the neutron-s warhead went off and killed everyone on the Deukalion. He's definitely dead.
I'm not sure why the people on this forum always resort to "I disagree with it, therefore it's not true" as an argument. Breetai leads his forces into battle, and they're wiped out when Edwards destroys the Regent's flagship. No survivors are ever shown, nor are any even mentioned. In fact, from that point on we never see a Zentradi ever again... even in the Part II outline. Hell, they're not even MENTIONED after that, not even by a part-Zentradi character in the movie! You might not "buy it", but all the evidence points that way.
Tiree wrote:I can see how this could be problematic to bringing these characters back. Oh but wait! They did it for Rick and Lisa!!! Why not for these two iconic characters.
Lisa appeared
when in the
Shadow Chronicles movie? Oh that's right, she never did! The only way Rick made it through was because he was plot critical, and you'd only ever know it was him if someone told you... he was the only character to receive a ground-up redesign to duck a copyright infringement lawsuit. Conveniently, Redesigned-Rick is the only Macross Saga character slated to appear in any of those RTSC movies. "Max and Miriya" are much more legally problematic than Rick, since at least Hikaru up and vanished after
Flashback 2012...
Macross's Maximilian Jenius and Milia Fallyna Jenius are the most frequently recurring characters in canon
Macross, and are thus much more dangerous for
Robotech to redesign for further use.
Oddly enough, the way copyright law is written the comic books are not considered to be derivative works... they're merchandise. Harmony Gold can legally use the designs from the original
Macross series in merchandise. They can't use them in derivative works (meaning new animation or live-action cinema), which is why they put everyone except plot-critical-Rick on a bus any redesigned him so you'd never know he and the one in the Macross Saga were the same guy unless you were told as much.
Tiree wrote:What this does tell me is that there is a lot of hard feelings about things that were said on another message board with the creator of TSC.
What this tells me is that you don't understand, or perhaps just don't want to believe, what's being said to you. Unlike many here, I don't have anything personal against Tommy Yune... and as more than a few have noticed, I'm a staunch supporter of his rebooted continuity. The evidence, especially the court rulings, points to one primary reason for the deaths and disappearances of the Macross Saga cast... the fact that Harmony Gold can't legally use the original designs (as explicitly confirmed by Carl Macek himself) and a justified fear of reprisals from
Macross's owners.
jaymz wrote:Actually as of PttSC the onyl character we HAVE seen is Rick and it's quite possible that he and Lisa will be dead when the SF-3 is found.
Nah, our boy Rick will still be alive... unless they've completely rewritten what they had when they started work on
Shadow Rising. Lisa isn't mentioned, and everyone else is too dead or vanished to get involved. On the other hand... Ariel and Scott are supposed to bite the dust.
,what happens with Louie?
Look, I realize you're really geared up to do the persecution complex thing, but nobody said any of that. I wasn't the one who brought it up, and all I did was list the reasons Harmony Gold's staff have given for why they basically ignore the Masters Saga. Even if you don't like the news, it's still considered bad practice to shoot the messenger. 
?(when they first met Rick was 17 and she was 29 if I remember properly).
