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Darkorinth wrote:

Dr. Doom III wrote:

Braden Campbell wrote: By making the Dominator ships the size of an asteroid, defeating them becomes a tough but do-able proposition:

I don't think it should be do-able.

So what should the players do when one shows up? Bend over and kiss their rears goodbye?

I think he intends for them to run.

Dominators = PC's must ask for help.
Honestly, giving the Dominator planetoids such small scale schtuff, when in the ORIGINAL canon the damn things were the size of Bezerkers (They're called books people, try and read a non-game one once in a while), meaning, Luna sized warmachines. Asteroid scale, is kinda... NERF.

The Dominator WORLD ships were never meant to be taken on by the PC's alone... ever.
They were meant to be props, so that the PC's could sneak into them while the fleets of the NPC's could get beaten up one side of the sector and down the other. THEN, the PC's could be hero's by attacking the Dominator its self in its throne-chamber, after out THINKING all the exterior and interior defenses.

Then, and only then, after the master of the machine is defeated can the plaentoid be eliminated as internal systems, tied into the Dominators life-force, start destructing or shutting down.

Or you know, go after that one little thermal exaust port with a mini-missile

BUT... what do I know?
26 years of gaming, sci-fi reading / watching/ half-asped writing... nah, means nothing.
I guess yeah sure, why NOT nerf the heck outa something that nearly brought THREE GALAXIES to the brink of extinction so that players can feel big about them selves on a saturday afternoon.
*Shrug*

YOU'RE the GM of your own game-'verse; play it how you want it.
Braden wrote something out for the 'casual' gamers.
Hardcore gamers & GM's will go back to the original source and create their own nasty.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Darkorinth wrote:

Dr. Doom III wrote:

Braden Campbell wrote: By making the Dominator ships the size of an asteroid, defeating them becomes a tough but do-able proposition:

I don't think it should be do-able.

So what should the players do when one shows up? Bend over and kiss their rears goodbye?

I think he intends for them to run.

That or start politicking and build some sort of massive fleet. If a group of PC's manage to take one out on their own then well it's just wrong.

Hi there!

DhAkael wrote:Dominators = PC's must ask for help.
The Dominator WORLD ships were never meant to be taken on by the PC's alone... ever.

If the PC's are a bunch of "adventurers" (that is seriously derogative), sure.

However, when the party is made of Cosmo Knights (or the command staff of a CAF battleship, leaders of an Asteriod Eater,
and so on...)... They ARE EXPECTED to be able to deal with such things.

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Also, having a TGE fleet of 23 Doombringers... and a single Dominator Star Fortress is able to defeat all of them combined...

...that gives a rather lovercraftian touch.

Just my 2,1 cents (inflation in a happy new year )

Adios
KLM

KLM wrote:However, when the party is made of Cosmo Knights (or the command staff of a CAF battleship, leaders of an Asteriod Eater,
and so on...)... They ARE EXPECTED to be able to deal with such things.

Well... when you put it THAT way. Sure.

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How many parties of all Cosmo Kannigits do you know of floatin' around at a moments notice? And I'm talking PC's not NPC here.


Just sayin'...

DhAkael wrote: in the ORIGINAL canon the damn things were the size of Bezerkers meaning, Luna sized warmachines. Asteroid scale, is kinda... NERF.

Not to come across as a snob, DhAkael, but in my first printing copy of Phase World, on page 96, right in the midst of the Dominator write-up, it clearly says that their ships are "giant planetoid-sized behemoths". That's about as "original canon" as one can get. Make their ships bigger if it suits your game purposes, but please don't insinuate that I am retconning or disregarding established PW write-ups, because nothing could be further from the truth.

Also, thank you; its about time that someone brought Fred Saberhagen into the conversation

Braden Campbell wrote:Also, thank you; its about time that someone brought Fred Saberhagen into the conversation

R.I.P. Fred, R.I.P.
*raises a glass and fires off a 21 C-Plus gun salute*

Hey Braden, In your personal opinion how do YOU think the UN Spacy ships or RT ships stack against the Three Galaxies ships? I ask you specifically as the author of Fleets and as a Gamer. And on a side note how would you rate Weber's Dahak vs Three Galaxies (note I said DAHAK not DhAkael ).

Ihave to weigh in, I think they gimped thre Zentradi ships in teh new edition. The are but a shadow of thier former glory, As for Macross II ships....well those are som ebadass ships and woudl give any fleet inteh Three galaxies a very good run for thier money.

DAHAK
Yipes...now you just going all out, aintcha?

"That's no moon...it's a space station"

'Um...that space station IS the moon."

DhAkael wrote:DAHAK
Yipes...now you just going all out, aintcha?

"That's no moon...it's a space station"

'Um...that space station IS the moon."

Yep, my curiosity is gonna get me killed one of these days!!

I always envisioned attacking a dominator ship was like attacking Chi town head on
something that shouldn't happen during the regular course of play
the splugorth are used and they are to powerful to be attacked as well
it seems like there is nothing wrong with having things you are not meant to beat unless you bring a armada
heck even a adult draogn is impossible for your average party

csbioborg wrote:I always envisioned attacking a dominator ship was like attacking Chi town head on
something that shouldn't happen during the regular course of play
the splugorth are used and they are to powerful to be attacked as well
it seems like there is nothing wrong with having things you are not meant to beat unless you bring a armada
heck even a adult draogn is impossible for your average party

True, tho' I've had parties that have made mincemeat out of adult dragons before. I'm actually fine with bringing an aramada to fight the Dominators, the fun would be in convincing some of the groups in 3G to put aside their differences and work together.

Actually it has said right in teh book sthat if a dominator ship was encountered it would be the one thing where the TGE and the CCW woudl work together....

jaymz wrote:Actually it has said right in teh book sthat if a dominator ship was encountered it would be the one thing where the TGE and the CCW woudl work together....

Ah but wouldn't one or the other possibly use the situation to their advantage, like maybe "accidently"letting one side or the other lose more ships/take more damage?

keir451 wrote:

csbioborg wrote:I always envisioned attacking a dominator ship was like attacking Chi town head on
something that shouldn't happen during the regular course of play
the splugorth are used and they are to powerful to be attacked as well
it seems like there is nothing wrong with having things you are not meant to beat unless you bring a armada
heck even a adult draogn is impossible for your average party

True, tho' I've had parties that have made mincemeat out of adult dragons before. I'm actually fine with bringing an aramada to fight the Dominators, the fun would be in convincing some of the groups in 3G to put aside their differences and work together.

Logistics is an even greater challange. The fleets are spread thin. Communication takes time, and hit and run is definatly a viable option for Dominators. The threat is extreme, particularly if they start to hunt smaller fleets first. That gives me an idea.

Well, in my campaign they were getting actual intel from the future... but your twist on it works just as well too. Nice one