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MikeM wrote:And I disagree with you. I think the lion's share of the blame is on Palladium Books.

firefly01 wrote:Siembieda has plenty of blame. If HG is the hold up, he should at the very least inform the fans instead of his typical ...... ITS GOING TO BE GREAT line he shovels down our throats. Now the book that was going to be resleased last Oct, the Nov, the Dec, the spring, the ..... you get the point is ..." going to be released in the next 4 months" ...... The only thing myself and the entire gaming community here in Boise can say to that is ..... BS. You have promised GREAT THINGS one to many times and falled, this is just another pathetic attempt from you at keeping people happy. If others want to drink the Kool-Aid and belive your line great, I also have a bridge or two for them to buy. The Robotech community that had sprang up here has now fell apart once and for all. Even the Rifts folks here have gotten fed-up with the line of BS from this company. And yes, I am very bitter. I was really hoping PB would pull their head out and turn out a good line here, but its never going to.

jaymz wrote:

firefly01 wrote:Siembieda has plenty of blame. If HG is the hold up, he should at the very least inform the fans instead of his typical ...... ITS GOING TO BE GREAT line he shovels down our throats. Now the book that was going to be resleased last Oct, the Nov, the Dec, the spring, the ..... you get the point is ..." going to be released in the next 4 months" ...... The only thing myself and the entire gaming community here in Boise can say to that is ..... BS. You have promised GREAT THINGS one to many times and falled, this is just another pathetic attempt from you at keeping people happy. If others want to drink the Kool-Aid and belive your line great, I also have a bridge or two for them to buy. The Robotech community that had sprang up here has now fell apart once and for all. Even the Rifts folks here have gotten fed-up with the line of BS from this company. And yes, I am very bitter. I was really hoping PB would pull their head out and turn out a good line here, but its never going to.

All I can tell you Firefly is all that bitterness will eat you up inside

As for playing Robotech, beleive me when I say this (though it is only my OPINION), there are actually better stats and resources available NOT done by Palladium for Robotech. While they did bring back to teh Commercial medium by publishing books the fanbase has long kept it alive and in better condition, again in my opinion. I suggest just using these resources to your advantage to curb that bitterness

WILL

I told you so

MikeM wrote:Why pay for a license that you have no intent on releasing books for? That is just a horrible business decision. I would like to think Kevin is smarter than that.

neuronphaser wrote:

MikeM wrote:Why pay for a license that you have no intent on releasing books for? That is just a horrible business decision. I would like to think Kevin is smarter than that.

Companies often pay for licenses under the belief that they'll have time and money to devote towards it, and get a bunch of money in return. That doesn't mean it'll happen though.

Palladium had the Robotech license for years and did nothing with it, the first time around. Steve Jackson Games bought the license for Heavy Gear from Dream Pod 9 to produce a new RPG edition, and that was years ago. They haven't even started working on it (and may lose the license soon because of that, if they haven't already).

Point is, buying a license might be the smartest thing to do. Suddenly, other things happen -- management changes, economy flops, another project gets extended or gets more money, somebody steals your stuff -- and the license is no longer a great idea...but you've already paid for it.

Has nothing to do with smarts. It's called reality.

jaymz wrote:Please don;t remind me about HG not being a DP9 product anymore...

neuronphaser wrote:

jaymz wrote:Please don;t remind me about HG not being a DP9 product anymore...

Sorry! Believe me, I feel your pain.

I've also been waiting patiently for JC Blitz, and I'm sure I'll be pretty advanced in years by the time that ever sees the light of day.....which, ironically, is why I'm back playing Robotech after a dozen years or so

jaymz wrote:

neuronphaser wrote:

MikeM wrote:Why pay for a license that you have no intent on releasing books for? That is just a horrible business decision. I would like to think Kevin is smarter than that.

Companies often pay for licenses under the belief that they'll have time and money to devote towards it, and get a bunch of money in return. That doesn't mean it'll happen though.

Palladium had the Robotech license for years and did nothing with it, the first time around. Steve Jackson Games bought the license for Heavy Gear from Dream Pod 9 to produce a new RPG edition, and that was years ago. They haven't even started working on it (and may lose the license soon because of that, if they haven't already).

Point is, buying a license might be the smartest thing to do. Suddenly, other things happen -- management changes, economy flops, another project gets extended or gets more money, somebody steals your stuff -- and the license is no longer a great idea...but you've already paid for it.

Has nothing to do with smarts. It's called reality.

Please don;t remind me about HG not being a DP9 product anymore...

Beatmeclever wrote:

jaymz wrote:

neuronphaser wrote:

MikeM wrote:Why pay for a license that you have no intent on releasing books for? That is just a horrible business decision. I would like to think Kevin is smarter than that.

Companies often pay for licenses under the belief that they'll have time and money to devote towards it, and get a bunch of money in return. That doesn't mean it'll happen though.

Palladium had the Robotech license for years and did nothing with it, the first time around. Steve Jackson Games bought the license for Heavy Gear from Dream Pod 9 to produce a new RPG edition, and that was years ago. They haven't even started working on it (and may lose the license soon because of that, if they haven't already).

Point is, buying a license might be the smartest thing to do. Suddenly, other things happen -- management changes, economy flops, another project gets extended or gets more money, somebody steals your stuff -- and the license is no longer a great idea...but you've already paid for it.

Has nothing to do with smarts. It's called reality.

Please don;t remind me about HG not being a DP9 product anymore...

Actually, look at today's big announcement! SJG just gave the rights back to DP9!

Chris0013 wrote:I think it comes down to complete failure on both parties (HG and PB) parts. HG has this property that may be the only thing people know them for (I know if it is the only thing I know of them). Then After decades they release TSC but fail to follow up other than to license the RPG and the live action movie...follow that up with PB not delivering the product as promised, repeatedly and you have a horde of upset fans. TSC should have been a launching point for a new Robotech series...hour long episodes with a more serious tone...with PB delivering the core books for the 3 generations as well as TSC and then a complete series of adventures and add-ons.

Unforutnately we get the TSC movie and a complete failure on HG's part develop it further followed by the cluster that is the RPG property.

FreelancerMar wrote:They explained on the TSC DVD why they went direct to DVD and why they will not be doing another TV series.

I have also given up hope on ever seeing the new gen book. Which really should have been first priority over material that was never seen on screen. The Core Era books should have come first period. The fluff could always come later. Had they focused on the 'Core Era' Books first we would probably have the New Gen book by now insted of waiting on stuff that we will never see. I have now revised my opinion on whom is responsable for the holdup of material. A Marines Sourcebook really wasn't needed and got shotdown by HG anyway. The Time that was wasted on the Marine book should have gone into the New Gen Era book or possabily a space ship book. The fact is that its been over a year since we have seen any new Robotech material. The way that the things are going right now, I do not expect to ever see any new Robotech material from PB. Espically when PB's other IP's (Rifts) have priority over something that can be Vetod for any reason at all by someone outside of the company. I also do not expect to see a license renewal happening this time around when the current one expires.

Oh well Crap happens.

neuronphaser wrote:

FreelancerMar wrote:They explained on the TSC DVD why they went direct to DVD and why they will not be doing another TV series.

I have also given up hope on ever seeing the new gen book. Which really should have been first priority over material that was never seen on screen. The Core Era books should have come first period. The fluff could always come later. Had they focused on the 'Core Era' Books first we would probably have the New Gen book by now insted of waiting on stuff that we will never see. I have now revised my opinion on whom is responsable for the holdup of material. A Marines Sourcebook really wasn't needed and got shotdown by HG anyway. The Time that was wasted on the Marine book should have gone into the New Gen Era book or possabily a space ship book. The fact is that its been over a year since we have seen any new Robotech material. The way that the things are going right now, I do not expect to ever see any new Robotech material from PB. Espically when PB's other IP's (Rifts) have priority over something that can be Vetod for any reason at all by someone outside of the company. I also do not expect to see a license renewal happening this time around when the current one expires.

Oh well Crap happens.

They can explain it all they want: a new series (not just occasional movie releases) is a no-brainer for an anime series about giant robots. Not only is it a wildly successful and proven model, it's also the ONLY wildly successful and proven model for the genre. Yes, it's not the only model period, but it's clearly the one that has worked for a very long time, and is still working today. HG's business model only makes sense because HG does not appear to be willing to expand their operation beyond a fairly small core crew with Robotech. I'm not sure if it's due to micro-management or what, but they are very slow moving and seem unable/unwilling to grow their company into (a) proven markets (TV series) or (b) risky new markets that might be worthwhile (Heroclix Robotech or something crazy like that).

The most recent Palladium update and posts by the freelancer working on The New Generation would beg to differ with you about the release of the book.

However, you might be right about the license renewal. With Palladium's current market position, I really can't see why HG would stick with them aside from "nostalgia" and "we already know them." I fully suspect the Robotech license to go elsewhere. Unfortunately, at the same time there are relatively few RPG companies that are wildly successful with science fiction, which Palladium does really well with. DP9 and R Talsorian are too small and have been waxing and waning forever, and Mongoose or Cubicle 7 have their hands full with other projects. Just to name a few.

FreelancerMar wrote:I doubt R. Talsorian would even be interisted in it because they would not want their creative freedom stifeld. I do not know enough about DP9 to even comment.

I have once again added my input.

MikeM wrote:Yeah, I still doubt that it is all of HG's fault. I would bet the lion's share of the blame is with PB. I have no way of proving that other than the fact that Shadow Chronicles, Macross and Sothern Cross were all released pretty quickly, so why would they hold up New Generation?

The Marine's Sourcebook I could see HG wanting some major work done on it. But how about an actual comment on it in the weekly update?

jaymz wrote:

MikeM wrote:Yeah, I still doubt that it is all of HG's fault. I would bet the lion's share of the blame is with PB. I have no way of proving that other than the fact that Shadow Chronicles, Macross and Sothern Cross were all released pretty quickly, so why would they hold up New Generation?

The Marine's Sourcebook I could see HG wanting some major work done on it. But how about an actual comment on it in the weekly update?

YOi mean other than its benn put on hold?

Which for the record Alex did post somewhere that it was put on hold. No reason why but he did at least tell us it was put on hold.

jaymz wrote:

MikeM wrote:Yeah, I still doubt that it is all of HG's fault. I would bet the lion's share of the blame is with PB. I have no way of proving that other than the fact that Shadow Chronicles, Macross and Sothern Cross were all released pretty quickly, so why would they hold up New Generation?

The Marine's Sourcebook I could see HG wanting some major work done on it. But how about an actual comment on it in the weekly update?

YOi mean other than its benn put on hold?

Which for the record Alex did post somewhere that it was put on hold. No reason why but he did at least tell us it was put on hold.

taalismn wrote:I should NOT read this thread if I'm looking for hope...


We're joining the ranks of the fans of certain baseball teams, people who fish in New York Harbor, and those people STILL waiting for Mechanoids: Space.

ZINO wrote:

taalismn wrote:I should NOT read this thread if I'm looking for hope...


We're joining the ranks of the fans of certain baseball teams, people who fish in New York Harbor, and those people STILL waiting for Mechanoids: Space.

HEY I live in new york city ....be NICE ,I still get nice fish here to eat

MikeM wrote:It is mid January, 2011 and it looks like we will be getting the New Gen book sometime in April/May? (this is just a guess)

"UPDATE: Robotech®. The first Robotech® sourcebook of 2011 should go into final production in the next couple months."

I'm okay with that. I would like it sooner obviously, but first half of 2011 will be fine. I did chuckle at the "the first Robotech..." C'mon! The only. No way Palladium gets a second Robotech book out this year. This one keeps getting pushed back slowly a bit at a time. I love his optimism though. (and no, that isn't sarcasm, I really do love Kevin's optimism. Good for him)

If Palladium does release a second Robotech book, I will gladly buy it. Probably even 2 copies.

MikeM

Gryphon wrote:Just out of morbid curiosity, could someone explain how the policy PB uses works in relation to new materials?

What I mean is, we know they are planning on releasing a New Gen book, which we can assume will include as much New Gen material as they can afford to pack in there, right?

But what about the delayed (vaporware perhaps?) Marines and Star Ships books? These would almost have to include a plethora of material not entirely supported by the source material, even if HG allows for this unsupported material.

So my question is more along the lines of how does HG determine what new materials PB can and can't use? Can PB even use new materials, or will they have to stick to what HG says, and produce these two books with what currently appears to be some very limited, if nearly non-existent, facts and figures?

While I would dearly love to see some new stuff, such as Rapid's pined for ASC expansions, or the resolution of the Sentinels races, PB isn't supposed to go off and do their own thing, are they? Like the sorts of stuff we saw in the Return of the Masters (Mecha Su Dai, new mecha, even new OCCs unrelated to source material such as the Urban Spec, one of my favorite OCCs from that setting really), Lancers Rockers and New World Order (Instra-Mecha and uber landships for the wi...err, for the ti....ummm, OK, these were full of fail, but that doesn't make them uncool, right? Guys?!?!), and lastly Strike Force, with my favorite mecha, the VF-1X, ALL of the various Destroid/Battloid units, and the various OCCs! This all represents material that never existed, but with such things as the Devastator Cyclone's adoption, technically could exist, right? Can PB just create stuff new out of whole cloth?

And if not, what does that say for one of our favorite RPGs?

MikeM wrote:It is mid January, 2011 and it looks like we will be getting the New Gen book sometime in April/May? (this is just a guess)

"UPDATE: Robotech®. The first Robotech® sourcebook of 2011 should go into final production in the next couple months."

I'm okay with that. I would like it sooner obviously, but first half of 2011 will be fine. I did chuckle at the "the first Robotech..." C'mon! The only. No way Palladium gets a second Robotech book out this year. This one keeps getting pushed back slowly a bit at a time. I love his optimism though. (and no, that isn't sarcasm, I really do love Kevin's optimism. Good for him)

If Palladium does release a second Robotech book, I will gladly buy it. Probably even 2 copies.

MikeM

neuronphaser wrote: They haven't failed to develop it further. There's supposedly a movie coming out next year (supposedly not a continuation, but a side-story) and work has been done planning for the next movie (Shadow Rising). And there's the revised Graphic Novel.

So yeah, it's not like they aren't doing anything. It's that they aren't in any way shape or form doing things quickly, and what they are doing they sure as hell aren't really advertising or announcing anything about.

In short, I feel your pain. That they haven't tried to develop some simultaneous work (i.e. a new series for TV plus Shadow Rising) is beyond me. HG really needs to understand that they need to think "expansion" in their business model.

MikeM wrote:It is mid January, 2011 and it looks like we will be getting the New Gen book sometime in April/May? (this is just a guess)

"UPDATE: Robotech®. The first Robotech® sourcebook of 2011 should go into final production in the next couple months."

I'm okay with that. I would like it sooner obviously, but first half of 2011 will be fine. I did chuckle at the "the first Robotech..." C'mon! The only. No way Palladium gets a second Robotech book out this year. This one keeps getting pushed back slowly a bit at a time. I love his optimism though. (and no, that isn't sarcasm, I really do love Kevin's optimism. Good for him)

If Palladium does release a second Robotech book, I will gladly buy it. Probably even 2 copies.

MikeM

Chris0013 wrote:

MikeM wrote:It is mid January, 2011 and it looks like we will be getting the New Gen book sometime in April/May? (this is just a guess)

"UPDATE: Robotech®. The first Robotech® sourcebook of 2011 should go into final production in the next couple months."

I'm okay with that. I would like it sooner obviously, but first half of 2011 will be fine. I did chuckle at the "the first Robotech..." C'mon! The only. No way Palladium gets a second Robotech book out this year. This one keeps getting pushed back slowly a bit at a time. I love his optimism though. (and no, that isn't sarcasm, I really do love Kevin's optimism. Good for him)

If Palladium does release a second Robotech book, I will gladly buy it. Probably even 2 copies.

MikeM

With it being this far along you would think they could give us some art teasers and maybe even the cover.

jaymz wrote:It Isn' that far along, as far as anyone knowns Kevin has hte manuscript....I think

Tiree wrote:

jaymz wrote:It Isn' that far along, as far as anyone knowns Kevin has hte manuscript....I think

According to Kevin's Murmur's and Press Releases, he definitely has the manuscript. How much editing/rewriting is anyone's guess. Based on DLDC's website, I would say it should be fairly well done.

jaymz wrote:

Tiree wrote:

jaymz wrote:
He usually says of art has been assigned as well and I ont hink he has yet....not sure

ZINO wrote:

jaymz wrote:

Tiree wrote:

jaymz wrote:
He usually says of art has been assigned as well and I ont hink he has yet....not sure

huh ????

josephddm wrote:With this on mind,anybody knows if Mr. Marker is working on the Spaceships book also?.Well, they insist with the manga sized books,hum...definetly I don't like the size, I found it only usefull if you have to carry the book on a long trip and you don't want to take with you the large one. Instead of filling the book with some para military organizations maybe they must take a deepest look on the military world government and the soldiers left behind in a way of how they did to survive the Invid and the Masters who fell to Earth alike and then explain and include the Freedom Fighters and other organizations. From here I also demand a book detailing all the solar systems involved in the four sagas of Robotech and the distances between planets and systems in full colour and in big size(a TRUE collector's item).Hope we've got soon that book,personally I paid the book on july 2010..................

josephddm wrote:With this on mind,anybody knows if Mr. Marker is working on the Spaceships book also?.Well, they insist with the manga sized books,hum...definetly I don't like the size, I found it only usefull if you have to carry the book on a long trip and you don't want to take with you the large one. Instead of filling the book with some para military organizations maybe they must take a deepest look on the military world government and the soldiers left behind in a way of how they did to survive the Invid and the Masters who fell to Earth alike and then explain and include the Freedom Fighters and other organizations. From here I also demand a book detailing all the solar systems involved in the four sagas of Robotech and the distances between planets and systems in full colour and in big size(a TRUE collector's item).Hope we've got soon that book,personally I paid the book on july 2010..................

josephddm wrote:With this on mind,anybody knows if Mr. Marker is working on the Spaceships book also?.Well, they insist with the manga sized books,hum...definetly I don't like the size, I found it only usefull if you have to carry the book on a long trip and you don't want to take with you the large one. Instead of filling the book with some para military organizations maybe they must take a deepest look on the military world government and the soldiers left behind in a way of how they did to survive the Invid and the Masters who fell to Earth alike and then explain and include the Freedom Fighters and other organizations. From here I also demand a book detailing all the solar systems involved in the four sagas of Robotech and the distances between planets and systems in full colour and in big size(a TRUE collector's item).Hope we've got soon that book,personally I paid the book on july 2010..................

josephddm wrote:personally I paid the book on july 2010..................

MikeM wrote:

josephddm wrote:personally I paid the book on july 2010..................

Technically, I don't think anyone paid for it, until it gets shipped. Otherwise the people who pre-ordered the Beyond the Supernatural books must be pissed.

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