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In my games the wolfen build good roads too, and my players prefer to get prosecuted by the wolfen justice system if they get into trouble as the wolfen republic is still new and is still running on ideals rather than corruption.

Saitou Hajime wrote:

Aku-Arkaine wrote:

Saitou Hajime wrote:I disagree given the Wolven empire is much bigger than Rome was ever at the Republic stage. There is a huge amount of wilderness in most of the provences of the Empire add in the protectorite some of which have unfriendly people in them and a huge amount of frontier. The amount of distence need to trave is large from the front to the Captial [yes magic helps]. To be honest there nothing in the Disputed Territory that the Wolven need build the Wolven equivalent of Hadrian's wall and be done with it.

If you look at a map of Rome in 43 B.C. you can see that most of Gaul and the Iberian Peninsula were part of the Republic already. This is a huge amount of wilderness, as you said, and when you add in clients there is very little that is missing from the future empire. Rome was able to control this, and the distance from the capital to Gibraltar or Normandy is a pretty fair distance. The first few emperors mostly spent time bringing client states into Rome proper, not conquering wilderness. The largest conquest of the imperial period was Germania, an area comparable with the disputed lands. Find a nice river, fortify the hell out of it, and the East wouldn't have a chance to push into Wolfen territory. And where there isn't a river...you build Hadrian's Wall (best idea of this entire thread).

You mean after 20 years of Ceaser being in some kind of power? I don't have realitive sizes avalible, the areas of the republic save north western Gaul are also highly civilized compared to the Northern Wilderness. Further the Romans build roads everywhere which helps greatly.

I don't think the Northern Wilderness and Roman territories are really comparable. Eyeballing and simplifying, the Great Northern Wilderness is about 1200 miles on a side... smaller than the greatest extent of the Roman Empire, bigger than it was in 25 BCE. However, the Roman Empire also included a sea smack dab in the middle of it. You didn't have settlements stretching from Gaul to Alexandria, because a number of them would've been under water. In the Wolfen Empire, that's a lot more practical, since the vast majority of the empire is landlocked.

I do think, however, that the Wolfen could learn a lesson from Hadrian's Wall, and build it at the river. If they wanted to draw on their other cultural heritage, I could also see Wolfen and Coyle vikings in longboats harrying the southern shore of the Algorian Sea... that simplifies supply lines, if they're mobile.

The sea is largely more easier to travel especially and "Inland Sea" The Sea of Scarlet Waters is a good example it pretty much rimmed with settlements.

It is my opinion that the Wolfen Republic is a PF version of the Roman Republic. I think of them as post-Marion reforms militarily, so of course they have soldiers building a road network and other public works.

Saitou Hajime wrote:The sea is largely more easier to travel especially and "Inland Sea" The Sea of Scarlet Waters is a good example it pretty much rimmed with settlements.

Yes, but while you can settle around a sea, you can't settle on it... the chunk of area represented by an inland sea is a place you don't need to build roads, but you can't build settlements.

Wolfens are highly intelligent and being like Romans I would belive they have no problems with supply chains building a network of roads and going crazy with watchtowers and walls. They would have a structure society with specialists having different roles dedicated to handling logistics during peace and war time. They would also make sure they had dedicated sea lines first.

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During war they would use their strategy with Impedimenta and Commeatus. A all the teams would be able to cook, repair and fix whatever needed. Since all soldiers was highly skilled and trained. The soldier and commanders would know exactly how much food was needed during the campaign from using log books.

Also, at least in 1ed., Wolfen can handle magic and be summoners. So they would benefit from this. In same way as Humans.

Thinking about the environment and how Wolfen is adaptet. Eastern or Western would have serous problems running a campaign in Northern Wilderness.

I have been playing PF since the first edition of the first edition. In said edition there were items not found in the second edition including charts on cannibalism. I loved the idea of Trolls, Ogers, Wolven and other monster races eating their defeated enemies. I was thinking of these charts the entire time the thread wound on about supply lines.

After a lengthy forced march the Wolven Legion arrive to see their Eastern Territory enemies waiting. The disciplined lines of the Wolven formed rank quickly eager and hungry. They would win this battle and feast on the blood and bones of their fallen enemies.......

But if they're cannibalistic, they'd be eating their own dead, not the humans.

Whiskeyjack wrote:But if they're cannibalistic, they'd be eating their own dead, not the humans.

They will eat other sentient beings, was the overall sentiment of the charts.

Greyaxe wrote:

Whiskeyjack wrote:But if they're cannibalistic, they'd be eating their own dead, not the humans.

They will eat other sentient beings, was the overall sentiment of the charts.

as well as the dead of each other was my thought.

generally cultures that have cannibalism as a regular thing practice exocannibalism consuming the flesh of those outside their own extended social group. often that of enemies. usually this takes on the form of rituals where the group consumes the flesh of their enemies or rivals, with the idea of gaining some form of supernatural strength or benefit as a result. cannibalism as a primary protein source devoid of ritualistic connection is very rare.

Endocannabilism, the consumption of the flesh from those of ones own social group, is rather rare outside emergency survival situations. when it is part of a standard cultural situation, it is usually part of mortuary rituals, and meant to show respect to the dead by returning some aspect of them to the group through the consumption of some portion of the deceased body.

i suspect that the Wolfen may well have had ritual traditions of the "eat part of your enemy to gain his strength" fashion in the past, before the Empire.. odds are these are less common after they unify. (since the main opponents the pre-empire tribes had were each other, the empire trying to eliminate or reform such traditions seems likely, as a way to reduce internal strife.

Has anyone read the Furies of Calderon series?
Atleast one of the books is basically Wolfen vs human warlocks.