We getting any teaser art for Masters SB?

[Chris0013]

These 3 lines are cut and paste from the press release....

# Veritech Hover Tanks, AJAX, Logan and more.
# Four ASC Battloids plus the Golem robot.
# Six suits of ASC power armor – never before seen.

since they listed 4 battloids, and six power armors seperately what do they mean by more.

will we get the hoplite maybe (it did show up in love and war)?

[ZINO]

Play nice people or this thread will be locked!

he he he he

[Chris0013]

These 3 lines are cut and paste from the press release....

# Veritech Hover Tanks, AJAX, Logan and more.
# Four ASC Battloids plus the Golem robot.
# Six suits of ASC power armor – never before seen.

since they listed 4 battloids, and six power armors seperately what do they mean by more.

will we get the hoplite maybe (it did show up in love and war)?

It's just an overview. I wouldn't read too much into it. We'll have to wait for the masters book (the latest murmurs say approvals are starting to come in).

My only real hope is that the non veritech mecha do not get screwed over like they did before....it makes sense to me that a battloid would be just as effective as a Hovertank in Battloid mode....if not more so since they do not need to work around the transformation gear and can up armor it an put in more servos or whatever.

[Colonel Wolfe]

My only real hope is that the non veritech mecha do not get screwed over like they did before....it makes sense to me that a battloid would be just as effective as a Hovertank in Battloid mode....if not more so since they do not need to work around the transformation gear and can up armor it an put in more servos or whatever.

i hope so too. I swanted them to lower the MDC on cyclones so the over all MDC Creep of mecha might not skyrocket in thie edition...
in the old edition, the ASC battiloids had less Armor then the Lightest Cyclone. if it happens again....

[wilenburg]

Ok, a few things caught my eye with the latest press release....

The Army of the Southern Cross™ – all 15 branches.
Veritech Hover Tanks, AJAX, Logan and more.
Four ASC Battloids plus the Golem robot.
Six suits of ASC power armor – never before seen.
Other ASC vehicles, body armor, jump packs, weapons & equipment.
The Robotech Masters, Tirolians, and spaceships and weapons.
Seven different Bioroids, Bioroid Hover Sled, weapons and more.
Tirolian villains and player characters.
History, background and world information.
Quick Roll ASC Character Creation Tables.
Infinite possibilities for adventure.
Manga size for easy portability (5x7½ inches).
Written by Jason Marker. Additional text by Kevin Siembieda.
Cover by Apollo Okamura.
Art by the Mannings, Majestic, Maradin and Okamura.
230+ pages (and may be expanded to as many as 256 pages) – $16.95 retail – Cat. No. 552.
Still on track to ship in February. In final production.

Hmmm.....The ASC doesn't have 15 branches. The ASC is the Army (as per dialogue from Metal Fire and reinforced by The Sentinels Script Book 2). While it does have its own Air Corps (referenced in Love Song), the TASC/TSC/CU are separate (they're the Air Force), the GMP is apparently separate (based on cues in the series and oddly enough from the Jack McKinney novels). The last is the Navy, which is unlikely to be part of the Army. So, I'm a little curious as to the '15 Branches' aspect. Furthermore, most of the specialized environmental troops are all part of the Tactical Corps itself.

No word on the Sylphide, so I'll take it that its been ruled against being a Veritech. Ah well.....

Four Battloids: Salamander, Monocle, Triton and Dryad plus the GMP's Golem Drone. Where is the GMP Garm piloted version? What about the Unicorn Battloid that the Southern Cross Colouring Book establishes as being the same height as the Bioroids?

As for the Powered Armour, I take it there will be differences? The Kraken is most certainly exoskeletal, but the others would be like the Ultimax from Rifts...sort of a blurring between Battloid and Powered Armour?

All 7 Bioroids this time? This could be interesting, as long as they're not made into non-combat models (since there is a drone 'pod' seen doing that kind of work). I would assume the 'unseen 2' are mecha of The Robotech Elders' forces.

Tha ASC does have 15 branches
1) G.M.P./Global Military Police
2) T.C./Tactical Corp
3) T.A.F./Tactical Air Force
4) T.A.S.C./Tactical Armored Space Corp
5) ATAC/Alpha Tactical Armored Corp
6) R.E.P./Recon Escort Patrol
7) C.U./Cosmic Unit
8 ) C.D.U./Civil Defense Unit
9) C.D.F.C./Civil Defense Flying Corp
10) C.W.O.S./Cold Weather Offensive Squad
11) H.C.O.S./Humid Climate Offensive Squad
12) M.O.S./Mountain Offensive Dquad
13) D.S./Desert Squad
14) J.S./Jungle Squad
15) S.S./Sea Squad

Here are the 15 branches of the SC. for the list (C) Palladium Southern Cross Book pg. 20 (If in Violation please PM me, and Sorry for any incovience).

[Rabid Southern Cross Fan]

Tha ASC does have 15 branches

No, it doesn't.

1) G.M.P./Global Military Police

The GMP is separate from the Army because they have jurisdiction over ALL UEG military forces. We see this in Love Song when Nova and the others are doing background checks on those attached to the Air/Space forces (TAF,TASC, TSC, CU). The Jack McKinney novelizations as well as the old Eternity comics even go a step further and have the GMP as a check-and-balance to the ASC. Even in the original SDC Southern Cross, the GMP is separate from the Department of Surface Operations (Army) and Aerospace Operations (Air Force). Its attached to the Office of the Supreme Commander.

Since they have jurisdiction over all other forces, they would have to be their own distinct Service Branch.

3) T.A.F./Tactical Air Force
4) T.A.S.C./Tactical Armored Space Corp
7) C.U./Cosmic Unit

No, these are part of the Air/Space Forces and separate from the Army. Some of them (probably TSC) have 'Navy' ranks: Commander Tessel, Lieutenant Borgnine, unnamed Ensign from False Start and Captain Nordoff.

9) C.D.F.C./Civil Defense Flying Corp
10) C.W.O.S./Cold Weather Offensive Squad
11) H.C.O.S./Humid Climate Offensive Squad
12) M.O.S./Mountain Offensive Dquad
13) D.S./Desert Squad
14) J.S./Jungle Squad
15) S.S./Sea Squad

These are all part of the Tactical Corps and not separate/distinct branches.

[wilenburg]

Tha ASC does have 15 branches

No, it doesn't.

1) G.M.P./Global Military Police

The GMP is separate from the Army because they have jurisdiction over ALL UEG military forces. We see this in Love Song when Nova and the others are doing background checks on those attached to the Air/Space forces (TAF,TASC, TSC, CU). The Jack McKinney novelizations as well as the old Eternity comics even go a step further and have the GMP as a check-and-balance to the ASC. Even in the original SDC Southern Cross, the GMP is separate from the Department of Surface Operations (Army) and Aerospace Operations (Air Force). Its attached to the Office of the Supreme Commander.

Since they have jurisdiction over all other forces, they would have to be their own distinct Service Branch.

3) T.A.F./Tactical Air Force
4) T.A.S.C./Tactical Armored Space Corp
7) C.U./Cosmic Unit

No, these are part of the Air/Space Forces and separate from the Army. Some of them (probably TSC) have 'Navy' ranks: Commander Tessel, Lieutenant Borgnine, unnamed Ensign from False Start and Captain Nordoff.

9) C.D.F.C./Civil Defense Flying Corp
10) C.W.O.S./Cold Weather Offensive Squad
11) H.C.O.S./Humid Climate Offensive Squad
12) M.O.S./Mountain Offensive Dquad
13) D.S./Desert Squad
14) J.S./Jungle Squad
15) S.S./Sea Squad

These are all part of the Tactical Corps and not separate/distinct branches.

True there are only 3 main branches, but if you include more in depths branches that is how you get 15 different branchesit is just a matter of logistics, even in todays military there are 3 main branches with sub branches in each, and ASC works the same way, and some branches are very specialized, but in truth all military comes down to air, sea and ground then there are stuff like MPs, Seals, Engineers, and so on and that is how you can get 15 different branches it just how you classified what a branch is.

[Tiree]

I hate to say this, but there may be something to the branches via the Corps.

The Army has several Corps within it. Chemical Corp, Corp of Engineers, etc...

In the ASC they are listed all as Corps...

Now look at the US Army Chemical Corps Wiki Entry, you can see that the Chemical Corp has their own Branch Insignia, and Regimental Insignia.

And here are all the US Army Branches

[Chris0013]

I always thought it broke down like this....

G.M.P./Global Military Police - independent brach with jurisdication over military and civilian intelligence and law enforcement...kind of a combination of CID/NCIS and the CIA and FBI for the UEG

T.C./Tactical Corp - The army and all ground operations / combat with specialiazed groups underneath
ATAC/Alpha Tactical Armored Corp
R.E.P./Recon Escort Patrol
C.D.U./Civil Defense Unit (national guard and reservists)
C.W.O.S./Cold Weather Offensive Squad
H.C.O.S./Humid Climate Offensive Squad
M.O.S./Mountain Offensive Dquad
D.S./Desert Squad
J.S./Jungle Squad

(no overall name like Tac Corp has) responsible for all air and space borne operations
T.A.F./Tactical Air Force
T.A.S.C./Tactical Armored Space Corp
C.U./Cosmic Unit
C.D.F.C./Civil Defense Flying Corp (air national guard and reservists)

S.S./Sea Squad - Blue water naval forces...there own fighter pilots and possible marine forces for fighter squadrons and Battloid (and possible Hovertank) troops as well as straight leg infantry. I do not see the Marine Forces on Earth being as prevalent as in the UEEF...a small branch like the modern day USMC...4 divisions who do kind of the same job for the UEG that the USMC does today for the US..in this world primarlily providing troops on naval vessels, amphibious operations and force projection. (while I am at it let's give them the super logan and heavy assault battloid from the Return of the Masters book )

All branches are answerable to the Joint cheifs and ultimately the supreme commander who in turn is answerable to the civilian government / prime minister.

[ShadowLogan]

These 3 lines are cut and paste from the press release....

# Veritech Hover Tanks, AJAX, Logan and more.
# Four ASC Battloids plus the Golem robot.
# Six suits of ASC power armor – never before seen.

since they listed 4 battloids, and six power armors seperately what do they mean by more.

will we get the hoplite maybe (it did show up in love and war)?

Given that "more" appears with the Veritech listing, it almost sounds like there are going to be additional Veritechs. Possibly even the Specter/Sylphid (under a new name?), at the very least they should address the "veritech" dialogue issue from show surrounding this unit (I'd rather not get another "failed" VT, hell make it an the VF-2 or 3 since fans are likely to wonder what those designs looked like).

The alternative is that the "and more" is a typo or holdover from an earlier description that did not include the other mecha in the bullet list. I really haven't been paying attention to the listing in the catalog/press release so this might be way off.

[Aramanthus]

I think it's cool. The art is pretty awesome! I hope they use the AJACs pick for the cover too. Thank you for posting the links. ANd thank you for posting the pics NMI!!

[Tiree]

I hate to say this, but there may be something to the branches via the Corps.

The Army has several Corps within it. Chemical Corp, Corp of Engineers, etc...

In the ASC they are listed all as Corps...

Now look at the US Army Chemical Corps Wiki Entry, you can see that the Chemical Corp has their own Branch Insignia, and Regimental Insignia.

And here are all the US Army Branches

In the context that RSCF is refering, he means branches as in army, navy, etc.

Oh - I totally understand that - hence why my previous agreement with him. What I just put up is a way to keep both.

By having the ASC being an "Army" like the US. Then you have the various Branches or Corps like in the US Army. ATAC, TASC, TAF, TSC, SS GMP, etc... would all fit underneath... hence the 15 branches.

It basically could validate both views

[NMI]

Oh - I totally understand that - hence why my previous agreement with him. What I just put up is a way to keep both.

By having the ASC being an "Army" like the US. Then you have the various Branches or Corps like in the US Army. ATAC, TASC, TAF, TSC, SS GMP, etc... would all fit underneath... hence the 15 branches.

It basically could validate both views

I took a stab at how I'd envison the structure. Old thread here.

That is a pretty good layout that CavScout! Only thing I might change is SOuthCOMmand/SOCOM... My understanding is that SOCOM, normally stands for "Special Operations COMmand". Other then that, GOOD JOB!

[Aramanthus]

I agree nice organizational chart! Thank you for sharing that with us CavScout!

[Lt. Holmes]

Very nicely done, Cav. The only thing I'd change is removing the GMP from the mix and giving it it's own branch. Afterall, it's supposedly independant from the other branches.

[green.nova343]

I hate to say this, but there may be something to the branches via the Corps.

The Army has several Corps within it. Chemical Corp, Corp of Engineers, etc...

In the ASC they are listed all as Corps...

Now look at the US Army Chemical Corps Wiki Entry, you can see that the Chemical Corp has their own Branch Insignia, and Regimental Insignia.

And here are all the US Army Branches

In the context that RSCF is refering, he means branches as in army, navy, etc.

Which may be his own viewpoint/opinion of the situation, & not necessarily a reflection of the true ASC structure. Some of the "branches" as originally presented in the game may represent Army/Air Force/Navy branches (i.e. TAF, TASC, CU, TC, SS), while other branches represent "specialized" sub-branches within the larger structure, such as Corp of Engineers, Field Artillery, & JAG (i.e. CDU, CDFC, DS, JS, CWOS, MOS, GMP, HCOS, ATAC, REP).

For example, I always imagined the GMP as handling the duties of the real-world US Army's JAG, MPs, & Military Intelligence, with possibly the addition of authority over civilians (akin to the FBI). It puts them within the ASC military structure, but depending on the assignment you can have a Captain (O-3) give a Brigadier General (O-7) orders & have them stick -- or at least have the GMP Captain's orders have as much force behind them. On the other hand, you can have GMP personnel that are subordinate to "line" officers, as they are assigned specific duties within a particular military unit -- for example, manning security checkpoints at entrances to the bases. Whether that's counted as a separate Army/Navy-type branch of the ASC, or a subordinate branch that provides services to all of the other branches, we may just have to wait & find out when it's published.

[green.nova343]

Very nicely done, Cav. The only thing I'd change is removing the GMP from the mix and giving it it's own branch. Afterall, it's supposedly independant from the other branches.

This is something I disagree with as we see the GMP directly integrated with divisional units and under the command of the divisional commander.

But when you say branch, do you mean branch as in army, navy, air force or branch as in armor, infantry, medical?

I see a combination of the two. Sort of like how the USMC is technically subordinate to the USN (as their "ground assault" component), but is still a semi-independent branch of its own.

If anything, I'd see it as similar to a corporate consolidation, where instead of each branch having its own sub-branch performing similar duties (i.e. Intelligence, Military Police/Shore Patrol), it's a semi-autonomous administrative branch. Some units, especially the police-type units, are attached to & subordinate to the line units. Other units, such as intel-gatherers, report through their superiors to the ASC High Command, but are only attached as needed to line units (& even then retain some level of autonomy). Others still, such as the JAG equivalents, are independent of the line commanders & units, but still report to their superiors, & by extension to the ASC High Command.

Giving them too much independence gives them too much of a Cold War KGB feel to them, which (aside from what the novels may say) I think is lacking from the presentation in the series itself.