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Re: Are All E-Clips Created Equal?
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:44 pm
by Dr. Doom III
To me all e-clips from a certain region are interchangeable baring obvious differences such as FSE-clips and the like.
Re: Are All E-Clips Created Equal?
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:19 pm
by Killer Cyborg
Dr. Doom III wrote:To me all e-clips from a certain region are interchangeable baring obvious differences such as FSE-clips and the like.
Yup.
Re: Are All E-Clips Created Equal?
Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:45 pm
by Nekira Sudacne
any e-clip made will fit any eclip from any gun made, except for those that specify otherwise, such as triax FSE clips and naruni clips.
Re: Are All E-Clips Created Equal?
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:37 am
by Captain Shiva
airwalkrr wrote:Is this just commonly accepted for simplicity or is there a page reference explaining this?
I remember seeing in an old Rifter(not sure which one yet, sorry) that E-clips are interchangeable within a region; like all North American e-clips are the same, all Japanese the same,etc. If I come across the specific issue, I'll let you know.
Re: Are All E-Clips Created Equal?
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:15 am
by Dustin Fireblade
airwalkrr wrote:Is this just commonly accepted for simplicity or is there a page reference explaining this?
I think it might be mentioned in the Game Master's Guide?
There's been some fluff over the years that seems to allude to the fact that different e-clips don't work in all weapons though. There's a NPC I think in one of the SoT books that keeps all his e-clips in a large satchel and it says he might have a problem if he grabbed a "pistol e-clip" if trying to re-load his rifle.
Some of the text in Adventures in Dinosaur Swamp seems to go with different e-clips as well IIRC.
But it's all just fluff and not a rule to my knowledge.
Re: Are All E-Clips Created Equal?
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:33 am
by Nekira Sudacne
airwalkrr wrote:Is this just commonly accepted for simplicity or is there a page reference explaining this?
It's assumed because they're all based on leftover designs from the Golden Age of Man which made an effort to standardize ALL reserch equally to ALL countries, so all would work interchangeable. The only modern difference is Triax which decided to change the standard to get better gun balance.
AND they also made them backwards compatible so they can still use standard E-clips.
Re: Are All E-Clips Created Equal?
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:47 am
by Glistam
If standard e-clips won't work in a weapon it should be noted either in the weapon description or the manufacturer description preceding the weapon descriptions. Otherwise assume standard and long e-clips work as normal.
Re: Are All E-Clips Created Equal?
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 3:17 pm
by drewkitty ~..~
Killer Cyborg wrote:Dr. Doom III wrote:To me all e-clips from a certain region are interchangeable baring obvious differences such as FSE-clips and the like.
Yup.
Third
Sort of like how the regional DVDs are made for each region.
Re: Are All E-Clips Created Equal?
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:46 am
by Midnght
I've always gone with they are equal unless the gun descrip denotes otherwise.
Note: I don't have my books with me and I merely post my opinion and how I've always handled such.
But I must say this could make for some interesting personal rules.
Like the regioning many mention.
Decay rates - eclip discharges after x days
Recharging times - How fast to recharge.
External factors that could hamer usage in various ways.
And so forth.
Re: Are All E-Clips Created Equal?
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:36 am
by thedrunk
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Killer Cyborg wrote:Dr. Doom III wrote:To me all e-clips from a certain region are interchangeable baring obvious differences such as FSE-clips and the like.
Yup.
Third
Sort of like how the regional DVDs are made for each region.
Well if all E-clips are the same, how does one tell ammo left with in certian gun's. not all guns hold same amount of shot's
expample a C-12 from RUE holds a payload of 20 shots, a NG-L5 laser rifle holds 10 shot's how does one do the conversion ?? ( simple ) or does one say Wilks industrys all use same E-clip, CS E-clips wont work in a wilks riffle only cs and visa versa ??
my opinion but its how it should work to avoid confusion on payload, i.e. using a e-clip partially discharged when gun breaks on another brand of of weapondary.
Re: Are All E-Clips Created Equal?
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:58 pm
by Nekira Sudacne
thedrunk wrote:drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Killer Cyborg wrote:Dr. Doom III wrote:To me all e-clips from a certain region are interchangeable baring obvious differences such as FSE-clips and the like.
Yup.
Third
Sort of like how the regional DVDs are made for each region.
Well if all E-clips are the same, how does one tell ammo left with in certian gun's. not all guns hold same amount of shot's
expample a C-12 from RUE holds a payload of 20 shots, a NG-L5 laser rifle holds 10 shot's how does one do the conversion ?? ( simple ) or does one say Wilks industrys all use same E-clip, CS E-clips wont work in a wilks riffle only cs and visa versa ??
my opinion but its how it should work to avoid confusion on payload, i.e. using a e-clip partially discharged when gun breaks on another brand of of weapondary.
Determine which precept of a whole e-clip each shot takes. For a quick exsample, if one gun has 10 shots per e-clip, and another has 20 shots per eclip, then every shot in the first gun takes away 10% charge and the other one 5% charge. So if you fire the first gun, and then take it out and put in in the second gun, the second gun would have 18 shots left.
Now if you fire the second gun first then put it into the first one, it only used 5%, but the second gun uses 10%. So it would be at 95%, or 9 shots, but after that it would be 5%.
Well, it wouldn't have enough juice left to fire another shot, but sinse it has 5% left, you can take the eclip from that gun and put it in the second one again to get the last shot.
Re: Are All E-Clips Created Equal?
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:21 pm
by Captain Shiva
thedrunk wrote:drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Killer Cyborg wrote:Dr. Doom III wrote:To me all e-clips from a certain region are interchangeable baring obvious differences such as FSE-clips and the like.
Yup.
Third
Sort of like how the regional DVDs are made for each region.
Well if all E-clips are the same, how does one tell ammo left with in certian gun's. not all guns hold same amount of shot's
expample a C-12 from RUE holds a payload of 20 shots, a NG-L5 laser rifle holds 10 shot's how does one do the conversion ?? ( simple ) or does one say Wilks industrys all use same E-clip, CS E-clips wont work in a wilks riffle only cs and visa versa ??
my opinion but its how it should work to avoid confusion on payload, i.e. using a e-clip partially discharged when gun breaks on another brand of of weapondary.
Some weapons are depicted with what looks like a little window showing a digital readout showing how much ammo or energy is left.
Re: Are All E-Clips Created Equal?
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:36 pm
by AaronCE
airwalkrr wrote:Well, I've always assumed that E-Clips work like batteries. So I assume that HUDs that tell you how many shots left (or gun side-displays that do the same) are simply calculating how many shots are left based on the charge left in the E-Clip based on the % of energy left in the clip. They likely truncate remainder percentages as those wouldn't be enough for a whole shot. For example, if you fired off 11 shots from a 20-shot rifle then put the clip into a 10-shot rifle, it would tell you there were 4 shots left. And of course the batteries are likely something far beyond Lithium-Ion storage technology. In the first place they need to store a lot more power than Li-Ion batteries are probably capable of storing. In the second they are effectively eternally rechargeable.
This.
If you really wanted to get house rule-y, you could use some of the tables for weapon quality and apply it to E-clip quality. Then throw in expanded capacity. "Due to the fine manufacture and superior energy cells, UberCorp's E-clips store 20% more power. i.e. they have 120% of the shots/blasts of a normal clip." But that would make for a lot of book-keeping and hand-wringing.
Re: Are All E-Clips Created Equal?
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:01 pm
by glitterboy2098
Dustin Fireblade wrote:There's been some fluff over the years that seems to allude to the fact that different e-clips don't work in all weapons though. There's a NPC I think in one of the SoT books that keeps all his e-clips in a large satchel and it says he might have a problem if he grabbed a "pistol e-clip" if trying to re-load his rifle.
well, there are different sizes of E-clip. the standard E-clip, the short E-clip, the E-cannister....and not all weapons can accept all sizes. so if he's using a short E-clip in his pistol, but grabs a standard E-clip by mistake, he's just lost several seconds he could have used reloading.
to use an analogy, it's like a person who keeps both AA and AAA batteries in the same place. you can't interchange them, but you can grab the wrong kind by accident.