Vampires and Psi-swords (and psionics in general)

[Mack]

Vampire Kingdom, p34, under the header Vampires Versus Psionics: "The psi-sword inflicts hit point damage to vampires rather than mega-damage, but cannot permanently destroy a vampire."

[runebeo]

Yep. I came across that just now as well. Damage directly to HP and no M.D.C.. Just another question though, would you then add in your str damage bonus, or does that not count?

For example with a PS of 25, you would get a +10 to damage, but a psi-sword would only do the damage according to the level of the wielder in M.D.C. Level 6 would do 6D6 M.D.C. damage with a psi sword but 2D6 + 10 with a bokken.

Would the psi-sword do 6D6 + 10 damage to the HP if it isn't doing mega damage?

Its a energy type of attack I would not allow strength bonus.

[Killer Cyborg]

Would the psi-sword do 6D6 + 10 damage to the HP if it isn't doing mega damage?

RGMG, p. 32
PS bonuses do not apply to Psi-Swords.

[Captain Shiva]

I say that a Psi=Sword is made up of solid mental energy,the same as a TK Force Field,just in the shape of a weapon,and is therfore solid,able to parry like a regular sword,and is effective against beings impervious to energy.

[Danger]

Physical Strength bonuses do not add to any standard MDC melee weapon.

You can parry with Psi-Swords.

[Captain Shiva]

That is kind of the crux isn't it?

The question specifically refers to a circumstance when the psi-sword does not do MDC damage. As in the case of attacks on a vampire. We all know you don't add your PS bonus to your MDC attacks, but in the case of a non MDC attack, the rules get a bit murkier.

If the SDC damage bonus is added to a Psi-Sword vs vampire attack.what happens when a being with supernatural PS wields it? What kind of bonus gets added then? They swing a sword with infinitely more force.

[Danger]

That is kind of the crux isn't it?

The question specifically refers to a circumstance when the psi-sword does not do MDC damage. As in the case of attacks on a vampire. We all know you don't add your PS bonus to your MDC attacks, but in the case of a non MDC attack, the rules get a bit murkier.

The weapon itself doesn't change, it just affects the creature (in this case, a vampire) differently than any other being.

Strength still does not add to any attack with a Psi-Sword. Physical strength has nothing to do with damage it is dealing.

[Danger]

Strength still does not add to any attack with a Psi-Sword. Physical strength has nothing to do with damage it is dealing.

Including the Astral Plane?

Is this meant to be a serious question?

[Lenwen]

Do they damage them? I have searched RUE, Vampire Kingdoms, and Japan world book, but can't find a reference to psionics at all, other than the mind control/sleep immunity.

I was also curious about telekinetic accel attack. Would there difference between using silver chunks and bits of wood as the 'ammo'?

So far that I know with out checking the books .. No Psi-Swords can not harm a Vampire.

Only Running water, Wood, or Silver (and to a limited degree Supernatural PS) can harm a Vampire.

EDIT: An magic (again to a limited degree)

[Killer Cyborg]

Do they damage them? I have searched RUE, Vampire Kingdoms, and Japan world book, but can't find a reference to psionics at all, other than the mind control/sleep immunity.

I was also curious about telekinetic accel attack. Would there difference between using silver chunks and bits of wood as the 'ammo'?

So far that I know with out checking the books .. No Psi-Swords can not harm a Vampire.

Then you haven't read the VK section about vampires and psionics, where it clearly states that vampires are hurt by psi-swords.

Leave it to the pros, man.

[Lenwen]

Do they damage them? I have searched RUE, Vampire Kingdoms, and Japan world book, but can't find a reference to psionics at all, other than the mind control/sleep immunity.

I was also curious about telekinetic accel attack. Would there difference between using silver chunks and bits of wood as the 'ammo'?

So far that I know with out checking the books .. No Psi-Swords can not harm a Vampire.

Then you haven't read the VK section about vampires and psionics, where it clearly states that vampires are hurt by psi-swords.

Leave it to the pros, man.

KC .. notice .. the part where I said with out checking the books ..

haha ..

Prolly not .. you just wanted to try to sound all upity ..

Grats .. you are now .. THAT.. guy ..

Have fun matey ..

[Danger]

If you add your PS damage bonus as +X SDC to an SDC weapon...

...and your Supernatural damage as +XD6 to an MDC weapon...

...and a Psi Sword is solid enough to parry physical attacks...

...why doesn't your natural, supernatural, or other wise strength effect your Psi-Swords damage?

More, if a Psi Sword is NOT a solid object, how come most depictions of Cyber Knights in battle with other Cyber Knights shows them parrying each other?!?!

And finally, if a Psi-Sword is NOT a physical object, then could you ad your Mental Endurance attribute modifier as damage to reflect your stronger will versus a potentially higher level character just receiving additional dice or damage from experience?

Strength bonuses do not add to ANY standard MDC melee weapons (I believe the Xic melee weapons are an exception to this, IIRC).

[Killer Cyborg]

Do they damage them? I have searched RUE, Vampire Kingdoms, and Japan world book, but can't find a reference to psionics at all, other than the mind control/sleep immunity.

I was also curious about telekinetic accel attack. Would there difference between using silver chunks and bits of wood as the 'ammo'?

So far that I know with out checking the books .. No Psi-Swords can not harm a Vampire.

Then you haven't read the VK section about vampires and psionics, where it clearly states that vampires are hurt by psi-swords.

Leave it to the pros, man.

KC .. notice .. the part where I said with out checking the books ..

Not only not checking the books, but not even reading the thread, where I already gave the book and page number that has the answer.

It helps to do some basic checking before you post, unless you REALLY know your stuff- and you don't.

Hence- leave it to the pros.

[Lenwen]

Do they damage them? I have searched RUE, Vampire Kingdoms, and Japan world book, but can't find a reference to psionics at all, other than the mind control/sleep immunity.

I was also curious about telekinetic accel attack. Would there difference between using silver chunks and bits of wood as the 'ammo'?

So far that I know with out checking the books .. No Psi-Swords can not harm a Vampire.

Then you haven't read the VK section about vampires and psionics, where it clearly states that vampires are hurt by psi-swords.

Leave it to the pros, man.

KC .. notice .. the part where I said with out checking the books ..

Not only not checking the books, but not even reading the thread, where I already gave the book and page number that has the answer.

It helps to do some basic checking before you post, unless you REALLY know your stuff- and you don't.

Hence- leave it to the pros.

Hence me saying .. "with out checking the books" ..

Since I am now home an have the very book in question in hand ..

Could you tell me where pg# does it state that the Psionic Power in question can kill the Vampire .. ?

Considering you .. do call you're self a pro ?

[Killer Cyborg]

Hence me saying .. "with out checking the books" ..

The thing is, that's just shorthand for "I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm going to jump in anyway...."

And there are a lot of threads where the actual answers are posted, but get lost in the shuffle of all the people chiming in who openly admit they don't know what they're talking about.
It just spams up the place, and makes those people look bad.

Since I am now home an have the very book in question in hand ..

Could you tell me where pg# does it state that the Psionic Power in question can kill the Vampire .. ?

Considering you .. do call you're self a pro ?

I'm a pro, not your little monkey- I don't dance on command.

[Lenwen]

Hence me saying .. "with out checking the books" ..

The thing is, that's just shorthand for "I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm going to jump in anyway...."

I'm a pro, not your little monkey- I don't dance on command.

The thing is, thats just shorthand for "I have no way to back up what you asked"

[Killer Cyborg]

Hence me saying .. "with out checking the books" ..

The thing is, that's just shorthand for "I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm going to jump in anyway...."

I'm a pro, not your little monkey- I don't dance on command.

The thing is, thats just shorthand for "I have no way to back up what you asked"

Actually, it means just what it says.

Fact is, I don't know offhand if there is such a passage, and I don't feel like checking- therefore, I'm not going to post an answer to it.
Because that's how pros handle things- if they don't know, they don't just make up an answer.

But even if I did know off hand, or felt like checking, I still wouldn't answer here, because I don't like your tone.

[Lenwen]

Hence me saying .. "with out checking the books" ..

The thing is, that's just shorthand for "I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm going to jump in anyway...."

I'm a pro, not your little monkey- I don't dance on command.

The thing is, thats just shorthand for "I have no way to back up what you asked"

Actually, it means just what it says.

So for YOU .. it means what it says ..

But for anyone else .. you put you're own foot in you're own mouth to try to imply something that is clearly not said ?

Gotcha ..

[Killer Cyborg]

I'm a pro, not your little monkey- I don't dance on command.

The thing is, thats just shorthand for "I have no way to back up what you asked"

Actually, it means just what it says.

So for YOU .. it means what it says ..

But for anyone else ..

I don't really know- nobody else has really said that they're not my little monkey.
If was making pointless demands on them as part of some kind of attempted pissing contest, I'd have to admit they had a good point, though.

[Lenwen]

So for YOU .. it means what it says ..

But for anyone else ..

I don't really know-

Actually you do know ..

You're the one with the "Pissing" game going on ..

As evidenced here .. when I stated ..

Hence me saying .. "with out checking the books" ..

You're response ..

The thing is, that's just shorthand for "I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm going to jump in anyway...."

That is a total Flame bait ..

And a total instigation to a "Pissing contest" ..

I guess you must surround you're self with people who actually believe what you say .. And never get called out on some stuff like this ..

Otherwise .. you would know what you were doing instead of feigning innocently .. like you do not have a clue .. as per you're own claim ..

I don't really know

Ok .. thats kewl tho ..

What ever floats you're boat ..

Putting words into something some one elses post ..

Then saying its not what you were trying to do when you are called out on it ?

Sure ..

[Killer Cyborg]

So for YOU .. it means what it says ..

But for anyone else ..

I don't really know-

Actually you do know ..

You're the one with the "Pissing" game going on ..

As evidenced here .. when I stated ..

Hence me saying .. "with out checking the books" ..

You're response ..

The thing is, that's just shorthand for "I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'm going to jump in anyway...."

That is a total Flame bait ..

No, it's the simple truth.
You didn't look at the books.
You didn't read the thread- you were just randomly guessing, and you were wrong.
Admit it, move on with your life, and try to do better next time.

Everybody screws up now and then, the key is to learn from it... not to deny the screw-up and get mad at people who call you on it.

I said all I had to say there- you're the one keeping this side-track going.
But from now on, you'll be doing it alone; I'm done with this.

(The rest of your post seems to be pretty incomprehensible, so I'm not going to try to decipher it)

[Mack]

Topic Locked because a certain pair of posters don't know how to stay on topic without insulting each other.