How much do Psynetic implants cost?

[Mallak's Place]

Psynetic implants aren't for sale, you an only get them if you Work For, or were Experimented On by the Angel of Death.

[Shark_Force]

As a side question, are M.O.M. and Psynetic implants worth money if you salvage them from a dead character? I would assume the PC's would need one of the surgery skills to remove them properly without damage, but could they do so and then sell the parts? I'd think yes.

Koz

bear in mind that at least one of the skills involved is likely to be demolitions disposal. in fact, i would be quite surprised if there was not a simple temperature sensor that detonates the instant the body cools indicating death, which would really limit the time you have... quite possibly less time than you could plausibly remove the psynetics/bomb in without damaging the delicate implants beyond repair.

the angel of death is very much uninterested in sharing her secrets.

[csbioborg]

on that note how much do mom implants cost

no reason you can't get mom impants sparingly like in midwerks in north america

hypersenses
strenghth
endurance

a lot of bonues for not really any crazy

[Shark_Force]

there is no "minimal implants for no crazy" option. you might be able to do "less implants for less crazy" (and of course less bonuses).

the standard crazy implants are not a suite of separate implants; it's just one implant. nobody in north america has smaller subsets of the implants, those are only available to the mindwerks facility in europe.

potentially, such implants could be devised in north america, but it's hard to find volunteers to let you muck around with their brains. (naturally, the angel of death bypasses that problem by using non-volunteers). the main problem is that in most parts of north america where there is a sufficiently strong technological base for this kind of program, there will be people to stop it; cyberknights, hereditary glitterboys who want to continue honoring the legacy of their forebears, police forces or mercenaries who can be hired to find the kidnappers and deal with them, and so forth. Angel, on the other hand, has a bunch of brodkil around her who will gladly trade kidnapped people for the chance to get experimental implants in their heads...

but if you were to provide a large research team with similar conditions in north america, i expect continued refinement of the MOM augmentation process would be possible. it's just that you don't find those similar conditions very easily.

[csbioborg]

that is not right actually
there are seperate MOM implants as stated in MIdwerks
after a certain number they give you the full affect
at no point in Mindwerks does the book indicate the Angel's MoM are any different than normal

[Shark_Force]

it's pretty straightforward, actually. if there was a crazy conversion that didn't make you nuttier than a fruitcake that was widely available, it would be widely used. instead, the only place that seems to make use of the partial implants in Mindwerks is the Angel of Death controlled mindwerks facility in poland. very few people would be buying full crazy conversion, because people would start checking off the list of things they don't particularly care about: hundreds of SDC? not needed in an MDC environment, just wear body armor. high PS? useful, but not more useful than your sanity in a world where guns are the standard weapon and even in melee you can use a vibroblade that makes even the strongest crazy's punch look weak. psionics? if the partial implants were widely available, then they would be way more common than the full version.

[csbioborg]

other than it gives you dramatically less power
this is similar to the Lone Star Book saying every one has a chance to have a special quirk
alittl more aggressive
ambidextrous
good at math etc
and some of the NPCs have those quirks
but only in Lone Star
the reason if you kept saying a chaceter has trait x you would force people into buying lone star

[Shark_Force]

less powerful is worth keeping your sanity to most people. i don't see any indication that the technology is commonly available anywhere else.

[csbioborg]

less powerful is worth keeping your sanity to most people. i don't see any indication that the technology is commonly available anywhere else.

using that logic why does anyone get the juicer process in the NGR

when you can use the JAP system and get a little edge

there is clearly indications people mess aroun with different MOM procduere in NA since there is a wired gun slinger

[Shark_Force]

less powerful is worth keeping your sanity to most people. i don't see any indication that the technology is commonly available anywhere else.

using that logic why does anyone get the juicer process in the NGR

when you can use the JAP system and get a little edge

there is clearly indications people mess aroun with different MOM procduere in NA since there is a wired gun slinger

but here's the thing: *nobody* gets the partial crazy implants outside of mindwerks. there is nothing to indicate it is available elsewhere. there are no NPCs, there is no mention of it elsewhere.

and frankly, JAEP is not a good example; JAEP isn't used because it's not even close to being as useful as full juicer conversion. with JAEP, you can be stronger, faster, better... for a small portion of the time. then you have to go through a cycle of being normal you. for some reason, i can't imagine going through withdrawal on a regular basis is a particularly appealing prospect for most people. even then, there's probably more that use JAEP than there are that use full-on juicer conversion. however, JAEP is a good example in one way; JAEP is only mentioned in the NGR and is pretty likely to be only used in the NGR (notwithstanding it's probably a crapload more easily understood and applied than partial crazy implants). likewise, the partial implants are only mentioned in one place; mindwerks. in all probability, that's the only place they're available.

[csbioborg]

there is nothing to indicate anyone has special traits outside of the NPCs in the lone star book either
that doesn't mean people don't have them
once again in the context of the rpg you don't want to constnatly reference a book that is not one of the main ones
since there is no evidence anyone is ambidextrous other than in the lone star book should we consider amibidexerity only existing in texas?

and the implants are not nearly as good as being a full crazy evenif you have the max of 3

there is clearly a lot of research being done on nearal implants since their is a wired gun men which is a new additions

and the CS has come out with a variety of new psi implan implants and defenses to such

[azazel1024]

I would like to see expanded MOM impants in some future book. Other then wired gun slinger and full crazy there isn't much else (of course the stated Angel of Death stuff).

It still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that there is no one else who has a lesser MOM implant or procedure. It would be nice to see some 'lesser implants' for 'lesser crazy'. I think there would be plenty of people (and players) who wouldn't mind a little bit of extra speed, or reflexes or toughness in exchange for maybe a chance at a minor neurosis or something similar.

I'd also love to see something like a megacrazy version of the megajuicer. Maybe some regular old mind over matter combined with some psionic stuff. Even if it is really just an AoD psynetic implant.
-Matt

[Blight]

starting on page 148 in psyscape you got kevin's take on psionic tec. on 149 to 150 the psi implant side effect chart. 151 tells you where you can get them. 152 to 154 has implant you can get that aren't TW. 155 to 156 are the TW devices. Not the ones from Mindworks but still very cool.

[DtMK]

The best thing I could recommend would be looking at the pricing for other psionic implants and the correlating powers to compare them to the Psynetic implants, possibly with a 10-50% greater price for being exotic and new to the Black Market. Another place to look for comparisons is the Delphi Juicer headgear from Juicer Uprising.

[csbioborg]

I'd also love to see something like a megacrazy version of the megajuicer. Maybe some regular old mind over matter combined with some psionic stuff. Even if it is really just an AoD psynetic implant.
-Matt

TW crazy from SA
is what you are looking for

[Rallan]

Looking through the Mindwerks book I was reading the Psynetic implants and thought they were pretty cool. However, I didn't see a cost for getting the implants. Did I just miss it, or were they left out? Also, the cost of the M.O.M. physical implants were not listed either.

As others have already said, Psynetic implants aren't for sale. Only the Mindwerks facility offers this service, and the Angel of Death and her buddies only give these implants for research purposes, to beef up their bodyguards, or for the lulz. There's only a handful of Psynetic Crazies on the entire planet at any one time, and they were all made at the Mindwerks plant.

As a side question, are M.O.M. and Psynetic implants worth money if you salvage them from a dead character? I would assume the PC's would need one of the surgery skills to remove them properly without damage, but could they do so and then sell the parts? I'd think yes.

Koz

Oh yeah, huge money. Just... not for the PCs. They could rock up to a bodychop-shop with a bag full of unfamiliar-looking MOM implants and get a few hundred or maybe a few thousand for it, but even a Cyber-doc who specialises in making Crazies isn't gonna be able to look at the implants and say "HOLY CRAP! THIS WILL REVOLUTIONISE THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY!" The person who's gonna profit (if anyone does at all) is gonna be Professor Von Knowsalot who works at a research facility with state of the art gear, who can figure out what some of the implants do. Or failing that, who can figure out how to duplicate the implants, install them in test subjects, and see what they do. He'll be the one who confirms that they're not just junk, and he'll be the one who makes obscene sums of money selling the secrets of a revolutionary new technology.

Oh and surgically removing them is a bad idea. For research purposes it's probably better to leave them in situ, then just remove the head entirely and put it on ice so you can show our hypothetical MOM researcher a complete set of parts that are properly implanted in an adult brain. Makes his job much easier.

[TechnoGothic]

I would like to see expanded MOM impants in some future book. Other then wired gun slinger and full crazy there isn't much else (of course the stated Angel of Death stuff).

It still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that there is no one else who has a lesser MOM implant or procedure. It would be nice to see some 'lesser implants' for 'lesser crazy'. I think there would be plenty of people (and players) who wouldn't mind a little bit of extra speed, or reflexes or toughness in exchange for maybe a chance at a minor neurosis or something similar.

I'd also love to see something like a megacrazy version of the megajuicer. Maybe some regular old mind over matter combined with some psionic stuff. Even if it is really just an AoD psynetic implant.
-Matt

ULTRA-CRAZY (South America 2) is a MDC, SUper-Psionic using Crazy. Very Powerful. Great OCC. Twice as insane however.

There is a Doctor somewhere in America who has knowledge of Psyetic Implants and actually worked for the Angel of Death herself. Once in America he helped create the Psynetic-Juicers aka Delphi-Juicers. He had to enlarge his implants to get them to work with the juicer process. He has full knowledge of how to build any Psynetic Implants for PCs. (Hook, Line, Sinker).