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gelgoog wrote:mange size sucks

Chris0013 wrote:The only real issue that I have with the smaller size is that you really don't get a decent shot of a mecha unless they give it a full page spread....and not all the mecha get that.

FreelancerMar wrote:I think I speak for at least some of the people here When I say that I would Gladly Purchase a full sized version of the previous Manga sized books. I Miss the Full sized books and I want them back.

I would also much rather see the Nuw Generation Sourcebook than the UEEF Marines book. However the way things are going we need to be realistic. There is a chance that we might not be seeing any NEW Robotech Material at all from PB. Guess we will have to wait and see.

FreelancerMar wrote:I did not say will not, I said there is a "Chance". Big difference. That's just me being a pessimist and a cynic. dont mind me.

taalismn wrote:I'm intrigued by the idea of 'Frankenmecha'ng' alluded to in the New Generation book, but, given how UEEF Marines seems to have slipped again in due date, my pessimism is gaining the upper hand over my enthusiasm.

Dracurian wrote:Have the ideas for Invid R.C.C./O.C.C.s' been scrapped?
I have been hanging out for that bit!!!!

Tiree wrote:I can understand some due dates being missed, especially with a licensed property. I have to admit, the thought of not having a RT Book come out till the end of the year is quite bleak for me. Especially since I was hoping it would end up at the end of last year.

But this really shows you one thing though: Pre-Orders.

If you want a product, that means you got to step up to the plate and order the product via pre-orders. If your not willing to do that, Palladium does not know how many fans want the book. The lower the number, the less time and effort they are going to put into it - because they have other product to sell (and for bigger bucks!)

I have my gripes with the current incarnation of the game. Unlike some - I do like the Manga format (begrudgingly). I am still not sold on a 'Starship Book', unless they are quite detailed deckplans. What I liked most about Marker - he asked for help. He asked for folks to help with his research. I have heard nadda from the new guy writing. Different style, I understand, but it's what I liked about Marker.

jaymz wrote:

Tiree wrote:I can understand some due dates being missed, especially with a licensed property. I have to admit, the thought of not having a RT Book come out till the end of the year is quite bleak for me. Especially since I was hoping it would end up at the end of last year.

But this really shows you one thing though: Pre-Orders.

If you want a product, that means you got to step up to the plate and order the product via pre-orders. If your not willing to do that, Palladium does not know how many fans want the book. The lower the number, the less time and effort they are going to put into it - because they have other product to sell (and for bigger bucks!)

I have my gripes with the current incarnation of the game. Unlike some - I do like the Manga format (begrudgingly). I am still not sold on a 'Starship Book', unless they are quite detailed deckplans. What I liked most about Marker - he asked for help. He asked for folks to help with his research. I have heard nadda from the new guy writing. Different style, I understand, but it's what I liked about Marker.

Only one problem Tiree, Kevin has stated time and time again they do NOT look at pre-orders as a basis to decide what projects they should go forward with next.

firefly01 wrote:Peo -order has nothing to do with it. I WILL never pre-order ANYTHING from Palladium books. When they miss deadlines regularly and always feed you a line of BS like..... it's going to be great, you get a little sick and tired. I have been burned by Palladium and their pre-order crap one to many time, and my fighting with them and my bank to recover the money is almost like watching hand to hand combat.

firefly01 wrote:Disreguard the last. Had a talk with my Dad and he told me it was a mistake. My bad, and hope there is no hard feelings. P.S. ....... Dad is ordering me to tell everyone sorry if I seem a little upset. (Sometimes it kind of sucks to be an Army brat .......)

firefly01 wrote:Disreguard the last. Had a talk with my Dad and he told me it was a mistake. My bad, and hope there is no hard feelings. P.S. ....... Dad is ordering me to tell everyone sorry if I seem a little upset. (Sometimes it kind of sucks to be an Army brat .......)

Chris0013 wrote:

firefly01 wrote:Disreguard the last. Had a talk with my Dad and he told me it was a mistake. My bad, and hope there is no hard feelings. P.S. ....... Dad is ordering me to tell everyone sorry if I seem a little upset. (Sometimes it kind of sucks to be an Army brat .......)

Never apologize...it is a sign of weakness.

firefly01 wrote:Disreguard the last. Had a talk with my Dad and he told me it was a mistake. My bad, and hope there is no hard feelings. P.S. ....... Dad is ordering me to tell everyone sorry if I seem a little upset. (Sometimes it kind of sucks to be an Army brat .......)

Tiree wrote:Understood - I thought I had pre-ordered my TSC copy (which I did), but I used a 'Gift Card'. Well because I pre-ordered with the 'Gift Card' and checked on it a month or so later, I had used the funds that weren't used for the book!

Long story short, I had to change cards and ended up with two books! One I picked up at the local store, the other online.

Chris0013 wrote:Why would this be such a hard book to put together?? Pull the original, RotM and SOME elements from Lancer's Rockers (pretty much only the network of resistance bases) together and make updates to mecha, skills, etc....then have it proofread before sending to the printer.

ZINO wrote:

Chris0013 wrote:Why would this be such a hard book to put together?? Pull the original, RotM and SOME elements from Lancer's Rockers (pretty much only the network of resistance bases) together and make updates to mecha, skills, etc....then have it proofread before sending to the printer.

it HG that why we must deal with them first wait about a three to five month to proofread then wait three to six to say we want this to palladium books

Chris wrote:

Dracurian wrote:Have the ideas for Invid R.C.C./O.C.C.s' been scrapped?
I have been hanging out for that bit!!!!

Not official, but, it's something.

ZINO wrote:

Chris wrote:

Dracurian wrote:Have the ideas for Invid R.C.C./O.C.C.s' been scrapped?
I have been hanging out for that bit!!!!

Not official, but, it's something.

VERY NICE!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!

firefly01 wrote:Guys ..... give it up. Palladium Books is going to fall on its face with Robotech. No new products in how many months, no cover art for the books it said it was working on, only excuse after excuse after excuse if they even mention it at all. Face it guys and gals, Kevin Siembieda just dont give a sh!t about Robotech, the Robotech fans, or anything else but Rifts. HG made the biggest mistake in its history by giving the license back to this idiot and not giving it to a company that was more responcible to its product and fans. Way to go Siembieda, once again you promise big and fail miserable. I hope HG and all future companies that think of working with this company stop and smell the BS Palladium shovels.

FreelancerMar wrote:There is also another thing that should be said. PB has Un-Restricted Creative Freedom when it comes to the Rifts RPG line as PB Created and Owns the IP rights to it. With the exception of the Robotech Property, PB is unrestricted with what goes into it's RPG products because it owns the IP rights to all of them.

When it comes to the Current Robotech License, PB's hands are tied behind its back. Espically with Tomy Yune and company, Micro-Managing each and every little thing that goes into each and every rpg book with Robotech in the title. The Previous License Seemd to allow PB Much more Creative Freedom with what went into it's published Robotech material. I do not believe the current holdup to be PB's fault as it cannot publish anything related to Robotech without HG's permission and/or Approval.

Much of the Material that was in the 1st gen Robotech rpg lineup would probably Never be allowed under the current License. Which is a shame because there really is some good creative, imagineative stuff in those old books.

So if one must assign blame, be sure that you are blameing the right folks for the current holdup because I seriously Doubt it is PB that is Holding things up. Espically not this damn long. Do not get me wrong. I am no stranger to PB's delays in releasing their books, but in most cases it was/is usually a 2-3 month delay. Both the Space Ship book and the New Gen/Mospeda book should have been out in 2009. I have no doubt that PB wanted to put them out too so that they can start bringing in the $$$$$ that the release of these books would have generated. The Current holdup is in all likelyhood HG&Company.

It also does not lok like we will see any Robotech Material from PB This year either.

Chris0013 wrote:As to the part in bold...PB should have had it written into their contract that HG had a specified amount of time to reply after PB submitted the material to them. As well..the reply could not be "we don't like it" but would have to be detailed on what they wanted changed. If they did not recieve the reply or were not provided with detailed notes on what HG wanted then PB would be free to publish as is.

Chris0013 wrote:As well, the agreement should have called for TY and HG to provide the information they wanted presented in the books up front.....a complete timeline, what mecha and equipment, organizations (UEDF, UEEF, UEG, Anti-UN, etc...) and pretty much the overall direction for the product for PB to work in the framework of as well as where they would have creative license to develop things.

neuronphaser wrote:

Chris0013 wrote:As to the part in bold...PB should have had it written into their contract that HG had a specified amount of time to reply after PB submitted the material to them. As well..the reply could not be "we don't like it" but would have to be detailed on what they wanted changed. If they did not recieve the reply or were not provided with detailed notes on what HG wanted then PB would be free to publish as is.

You're assuming PB had a leg to stand on during negotiations. PB hasn't been rolling in cash for a while now, what with all the issues they've faced (stolen money, bad economy, layoffs, etc.), and they aren't a top-tier RPG producer any more (they are still one of the bigger ones, but I can't imagine they are within the top 5 any more, by a long stretch).

To be able to negotiate that kind of flexibility is asking an awful lot. Moreover, it was PB that went to HG with the license renewal, if memory serves. So basically they came in and said "Can we get something from you?" to which HG could have said a million different things, and "Yes" didn't have to be one of them.

Chris0013 wrote:As well, the agreement should have called for TY and HG to provide the information they wanted presented in the books up front.....a complete timeline, what mecha and equipment, organizations (UEDF, UEEF, UEG, Anti-UN, etc...) and pretty much the overall direction for the product for PB to work in the framework of as well as where they would have creative license to develop things.

You're also assuming HG even HAS this information. Part of the issues with the retcons appears to be (if my reading between the lines is at all good) that huge portions of the timeline have been mucked with, at least in regards to the Sentinels. It also takes a lot of time to create an in-depth series bible for something, and often those things DON'T touch on the minutiae that an RPG would likely address. In other words, things that aren't important to the currently in-production (or soon-to-be-in-production) Robotech movies/anime/comics isn't a priority for HG to address. Yet, those very things might be the stuff that make RPGs work (blast radius of missiles, how exactly Protoculture works, the full capabilities of the Haydonites). So does HG put off their money-making stuff to work on this minutiae, or do they nitpick a little with Palladium when/if the issues come up (if they don't come up, that's wasted time for HG, which means wasted money).

MikeM wrote:I had written a fairly nasty post about Palladium and their delays.

I didn't post it because that's not what I want to be about.

I want the New Gen book. I want the Marine's book. It frustrates me that Palladium delays these books repeatedly. They aren't the only gaming company to do so however. I think an explanation on the delays would go a long way to appease some of the anger felt by some people. My concern is that in the Murmurs and weekly updates, Kevin talks about writing, but never anything about Robotech. Does that mean nothing is being done at all with this property?

I wish Palladium all the best, but I am only purchasing their Robotech books from now on.

Thanks,

MikeM

Tiree wrote:In the latest Press Release, Kevin talks about RT New Gen book. It's one of the books slated for the next 4 months. What that means we don't really know

Now I could have sworn there was going to be a Freelancer writing the book. If that is not the case, it could just be a re-hash of Invid Invasion, and I hope it is not. As I pointed out what I would like to see... I am not sure I will.

Shawn Merrow wrote:

Tiree wrote:In the latest Press Release, Kevin talks about RT New Gen book. It's one of the books slated for the next 4 months. What that means we don't really know

Now I could have sworn there was going to be a Freelancer writing the book. If that is not the case, it could just be a re-hash of Invid Invasion, and I hope it is not. As I pointed out what I would like to see... I am not sure I will.

The last I heard it was Irvin Jackson (Nightbane® Survival Guide) writing it.

Tiree wrote:

Shawn Merrow wrote:

Tiree wrote:In the latest Press Release, Kevin talks about RT New Gen book. It's one of the books slated for the next 4 months. What that means we don't really know

Now I could have sworn there was going to be a Freelancer writing the book. If that is not the case, it could just be a re-hash of Invid Invasion, and I hope it is not. As I pointed out what I would like to see... I am not sure I will.

The last I heard it was Irvin Jackson (Nightbane® Survival Guide) writing it.

And looking at the Pre-Order, it's Kevin.