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steve652 wrote:I read and reread the cosmo knight occ...and I keep racking my brain as to what could fight them in atmosphere so far I got ancient dragons(maybe) greater demons (again maybe) power armor(not really) what if any scenario could one actually lose?

Johnathan wrote:A 14 to save against isn't that difficult to work with. With a 3D6+10 (or if the racial P.E. is HIGHER) +whatever bonus recieved by P.E. Boosts from physical skills can easily grant the Cosmo-Knight a decent save vs magic.

Case in point, my CK PC that I retired a couple years back was 10th level and had a P.E. of 32. That gave him a +8 save vs magic. He would've only needed a 6 to save against a basalisk's stone gaze. Which means he had a 70% chance of NOT being affected by it. Not the greatest of odds, Y'know?

csbioborg wrote:

Johnathan wrote:A 14 to save against isn't that difficult to work with. With a 3D6+10 (or if the racial P.E. is HIGHER) +whatever bonus recieved by P.E. Boosts from physical skills can easily grant the Cosmo-Knight a decent save vs magic.

Case in point, my CK PC that I retired a couple years back was 10th level and had a P.E. of 32. That gave him a +8 save vs magic. He would've only needed a 6 to save against a basalisk's stone gaze. Which means he had a 70% chance of NOT being affected by it. Not the greatest of odds, Y'know?

supernatural stats are not raisd by skills

Cain wrote:

csbioborg wrote:a baslisk can kill a CK easy
three gaze attacks a melee 14 to save or u are stone
2 normal attacks and 1 tail attack
CK has no bouns to save v magic

They have no OCC bonus to save vs magic but take a look at their high supernatural PE (13-28). Almost every cosmo-knights should have a PE bonus to save vs magic (only those who rolled 3, 4, or 5 on their PE attribute roll won't have a bonus), and some of them will have a hefty bonus. Most of the Comso-knights in our games have a +6 to +8 to save vs magic.

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Johnathan wrote:We're all allowed our own fascinations and "personal favorites" I guess...

csbioborg is obviously a huge fan of the Basalisk... More power to ya, bro. However, I still don't think it would stand a chance against a Cosmo-Knight... An obvious bias considering the Basalisk is the bastard child of dragon-kind. In my own, personal, opinion anyway.

csbioborg wrote:Play it out take a 12th level adult basklisk that is a 6th level ley line walker.

KLM wrote:Hi there!

csbioborg wrote:Play it out take a 12th level adult basklisk that is a 6th level ley line walker.

What is the range of the basilisk's gaze? How long it takes it for a CK to fly out?

Soo... ONE petrification attack at most.

Adios
KLM

csbioborg wrote:never heard of magic net or carpet of adhesion have ya

anyone know what the range is I think it might just be as long as its in the line of sight

steve652 wrote:I read and reread the cosmo knight occ...and I keep racking my brain as to what could fight them in atmosphere so far I got ancient dragons(maybe) greater demons (again maybe) power armor(not really) what if any scenario could one actually lose?

KLM wrote:Hi there!

csbioborg wrote:never heard of magic net or carpet of adhesion have ya

Never read their range, have ya? Are they great to stick the CK to the next.... cloud or even butterfly. Yeah, right.

anyone know what the range is I think it might just be as long as its in the line of sight

In that case two words: pooooor Cormal.

(Translation: so, a basilisk can petrify a demons planet from a few AU? Not particularly good gamewise).

Also, there is the itsy-bitsy problem when the CK armor is reflective...

Adios
KLM

csbioborg wrote:
CK armor is not reflective though and they can't make it reflective why its something they summon.

While there is no size limit for baslisk power of petrification I think its up to the DM to come up with something reasonable.

csbioborg wrote:thre is nothing in th description that implies it is reflective smooth does not equal reflective

csbioborg wrote:thre is nothing in th description that implies it is reflective smooth does not equal reflective

KLM wrote:

csbioborg wrote:thre is nothing in th description that implies it is reflective smooth does not equal reflective

Except that it comes from the CK's subconscious, plus alway metallic.

IMO, it can be as reflective as a pool of mercury - which happens to be used on mirrors, FYI. Also,
before the modern glass mirror, even bronze was used.

Not that all CK armor is a perfect mirror, of course - but can happen, depending on the individual.

Adios
KLM

Ninjabunny wrote:

Damian Magecraft wrote:

csbioborg wrote:thre is nothing in th description that implies it is reflective smooth does not equal reflective

not to mention that if the armor were "reflective" and provided any sort of bonus it would be listed in the OCC write up.

I always made the assumption from the canon, that the CK armor appeared as they wished it too.

KLM wrote:

csbioborg wrote:
CK armor is not reflective though and they can't make it reflective why its something they summon.

A smooth metallic armor cannot be reflective, because it is summoned?

While there is no size limit for baslisk power of petrification I think its up to the DM to come up with something reasonable.

Or you might consider a range limit, hmm?

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

csbioborg wrote:

Johnathan wrote:A 14 to save against isn't that difficult to work with. With a 3D6+10 (or if the racial P.E. is HIGHER) +whatever bonus recieved by P.E. Boosts from physical skills can easily grant the Cosmo-Knight a decent save vs magic.

Case in point, my CK PC that I retired a couple years back was 10th level and had a P.E. of 32. That gave him a +8 save vs magic. He would've only needed a 6 to save against a basalisk's stone gaze. Which means he had a 70% chance of NOT being affected by it. Not the greatest of odds, Y'know?

supernatural stats are not raisd by skills

False. HU says supernatural STRENGTH is not increased. It says nothing about supernatural PE.

csbioborg wrote:

KLM wrote:

csbioborg wrote:
well its described as a crimson beam of light so its travling at the speed of light so a basklisk attacks the demon planet it is actually shooting at the spot the planet was when the light relfected off of it so while it is bound to hit something its not going to hit the planet because the planet is in motion and has already traveled a great distance relative to the basklisk prespective

Ever since that multi-optic band wearing dragon in the RMB, this is a moot point.

I think making a house rule any bigger than a adult dragon only gets the eqiavlaent of a adult dragon piece of it pertrfied works better.

Greyaxe wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

csbioborg wrote:

Johnathan wrote:A 14 to save against isn't that difficult to work with. With a 3D6+10 (or if the racial P.E. is HIGHER) +whatever bonus recieved by P.E. Boosts from physical skills can easily grant the Cosmo-Knight a decent save vs magic.

Case in point, my CK PC that I retired a couple years back was 10th level and had a P.E. of 32. That gave him a +8 save vs magic. He would've only needed a 6 to save against a basalisk's stone gaze. Which means he had a 70% chance of NOT being affected by it. Not the greatest of odds, Y'know?

supernatural stats are not raisd by skills

False. HU says supernatural STRENGTH is not increased. It says nothing about supernatural PE.

HU states that? I don't use HU in PW so i will have to simply agree to disagree with you on this point.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Greyaxe wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

csbioborg wrote:

Johnathan wrote:A 14 to save against isn't that difficult to work with. With a 3D6+10 (or if the racial P.E. is HIGHER) +whatever bonus recieved by P.E. Boosts from physical skills can easily grant the Cosmo-Knight a decent save vs magic.

Case in point, my CK PC that I retired a couple years back was 10th level and had a P.E. of 32. That gave him a +8 save vs magic. He would've only needed a 6 to save against a basalisk's stone gaze. Which means he had a 70% chance of NOT being affected by it. Not the greatest of odds, Y'know?

supernatural stats are not raisd by skills

False. HU says supernatural STRENGTH is not increased. It says nothing about supernatural PE.

HU states that? I don't use HU in PW so i will have to simply agree to disagree with you on this point.

Well if your not using HU, where do you get that supernatural strength dosn't increase? It was never said anywhere in Rifts or Phase World.

Damian Magecraft wrote:any mage with a half decent arsenal of spells and crap ton of PPE.
Demon Knights would do well against them as well.
Fallen Knights too.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:As one Rifts group found out, even Gods can die quickly if you magic net them before unloading with powerful weapons in an anti-magic cloud.

Svartalf wrote:

Damian Magecraft wrote:any mage with a half decent arsenal of spells and crap ton of PPE.
Demon Knights would do well against them as well.
Fallen Knights too.

Remind me where Demon Knights are from Plz. I keep mixing them up with Mystic Knights and the Mrrly Knights from Rifts England.

Svartalf wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:As one Rifts group found out, even Gods can die quickly if you magic net them before unloading with powerful weapons in an anti-magic cloud.

mmmh... a) Are god powers not a bit too big for a mere spell like AMC?

b) ya better be quick between unleaching the cloud and launching your attack, because even if the net held them, as soon as the cloud is up, no more net, and gods are seldom slow on the uptake.

Lord Z wrote:I'll limit my answer to something that a CK is likely to actually encounter.

Any City Rat who gets his hands on a rune weapon with the Soul Drinker ability can kill a CK in a single hit and a failed saving throw. Just casually walk up to an unsuspecting CK and stab her. Even one point of damage makes the target suspectable to the soul drinking. Since Splugorth create rune weapons, I suspect that many a CK have been targeted in this way. You only have to fight the CK if he makes his first saving throw.

Using the new options in Rifter #53, Soul Drinker weapons aren't that uncommon anymore. Even Least Rune Swords can have this ability.

Quick note, guys -- Rifter #0.1 is still accepting articles if I can get the accompanying U.M.F. this month. We have a couple of Rifts Earth articles lined up, but we don't have anything representing the Three Galaxies nor other dimension books yet.

Carl Gleba wrote:I guess its depends on how you interput the rules. I always took hit point damage as bleeding, becuase of blood loss rules.

I know what you're saying. I've had some paper cuts that felt like they cut to the bone. The thing is this is a game of numbers so at some point you need to make a determination of where true blood loss starts.

Carl Gleba wrote:

Lord Z wrote:I'll limit my answer to something that a CK is likely to actually encounter.

Any City Rat who gets his hands on a rune weapon with the Soul Drinker ability can kill a CK in a single hit and a failed saving throw. Just casually walk up to an unsuspecting CK and stab her. Even one point of damage makes the target suspectable to the soul drinking. Since Splugorth create rune weapons, I suspect that many a CK have been targeted in this way. You only have to fight the CK if he makes his first saving throw.

Using the new options in Rifter #53, Soul Drinker weapons aren't that uncommon anymore. Even Least Rune Swords can have this ability.

Quick note, guys -- Rifter #0.1 is still accepting articles if I can get the accompanying U.M.F. this month. We have a couple of Rifts Earth articles lined up, but we don't have anything representing the Three Galaxies nor other dimension books yet.

Said city rat still needs to draw blood in order for a soul drinker to take a soul. Of course it all depends on the GM on what value the CK M.D.C. is hit points and how much it takes to get to those M.D. hit points.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Carl Gleba wrote:

Lord Z wrote:I'll limit my answer to something that a CK is likely to actually encounter.

Any City Rat who gets his hands on a rune weapon with the Soul Drinker ability can kill a CK in a single hit and a failed saving throw. Just casually walk up to an unsuspecting CK and stab her. Even one point of damage makes the target suspectable to the soul drinking. Since Splugorth create rune weapons, I suspect that many a CK have been targeted in this way. You only have to fight the CK if he makes his first saving throw.

Using the new options in Rifter #53, Soul Drinker weapons aren't that uncommon anymore. Even Least Rune Swords can have this ability.

Quick note, guys -- Rifter #0.1 is still accepting articles if I can get the accompanying U.M.F. this month. We have a couple of Rifts Earth articles lined up, but we don't have anything representing the Three Galaxies nor other dimension books yet.

Said city rat still needs to draw blood in order for a soul drinker to take a soul. Of course it all depends on the GM on what value the CK M.D.C. is hit points and how much it takes to get to those M.D. hit points.

Actually according to conversion book one, ALL the MDC of an MDC creature is HP for all purposes.

Not that i'm sure what's that got to do with it. If you stab someone with a sword, they bleed, it dosn't matter how much friggin S/MDC they got.

calto40k wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Carl Gleba wrote:

Lord Z wrote:I'll limit my answer to something that a CK is likely to actually encounter.

Any City Rat who gets his hands on a rune weapon with the Soul Drinker ability can kill a CK in a single hit and a failed saving throw. Just casually walk up to an unsuspecting CK and stab her. Even one point of damage makes the target suspectable to the soul drinking. Since Splugorth create rune weapons, I suspect that many a CK have been targeted in this way. You only have to fight the CK if he makes his first saving throw.

Using the new options in Rifter #53, Soul Drinker weapons aren't that uncommon anymore. Even Least Rune Swords can have this ability.

Quick note, guys -- Rifter #0.1 is still accepting articles if I can get the accompanying U.M.F. this month. We have a couple of Rifts Earth articles lined up, but we don't have anything representing the Three Galaxies nor other dimension books yet.

Said city rat still needs to draw blood in order for a soul drinker to take a soul. Of course it all depends on the GM on what value the CK M.D.C. is hit points and how much it takes to get to those M.D. hit points.

Actually according to conversion book one, ALL the MDC of an MDC creature is HP for all purposes.

Not that i'm sure what's that got to do with it. If you stab someone with a sword, they bleed, it dosn't matter how much friggin S/MDC they got.

only thing is you have to get through the mdc armor of the ck first to pierce his personal MDC