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A few d-bee write ups in d-bees of NA mention zombies wars taking place in the dark ages. Is this going to be covered in the future and has it been mentioned elsewhere? Is this a CE tie in or what?

Bood Samel wrote:A few d-bee write ups in d-bees of NA mention zombies wars taking place in the dark ages. Is this going to be covered in the future and has it been mentioned elsewhere? Is this a CE tie in or what?

Whatever it is, its going to be awesome.

Fair enough.

Bood Samel wrote:Fair enough.

That was my way of saying, if it is what I think it is, it is going to be a great addition to the Palladium line.

I'm as we speak trying to piece together a dark ages timeline and these zombie wars/plagues get mentioned a few times. I just want to know in regards to that. Two seperate d-bee races, the Vintex and the Blucies lost huge numbers due to these events.

it's a thing that has to do with a manuscript i recently turned in for Chaos Earth. I dont know if Kevin plans to go with my manuscript as written or if he's going to expand on it for some huge event...he asked me to write it and i did.

Oh....that sounds slick. I hope its in the vein of dead reign meets chaos earth. It sucks we have to wait! Did your write up include the Vintex and Blucies? I'm curious about the Vintex Imperium as I always pondered what d-bees know about the dark ages that humanity does not or took no part in.

Oh....that sounds slick. I hope its in the vein of dead reign meets chaos earth. It sucks we have to wait! Did your write up include the Vintex and Blucies? I'm curious about the Vintex Imperium as I always pondered what d-bees know about the dark ages that humanity does not or took no part in.

The Vernulians fall into that category for me. Often wonder when, and where, they started setting up military bases.

Bood Samel wrote:Oh....that sounds slick. I hope its in the vein of dead reign meets chaos earth. It sucks we have to wait! Did your write up include the Vintex and Blucies? I'm curious about the Vintex Imperium as I always pondered what d-bees know about the dark ages that humanity does not or took no part in.

No, i wrote about D-Bees only in very broad terms.
I tried to make it really different from Dead Reign. In fact, i tried to make it really different than the majority of pop culture zombie material. No one wants to see the same stuff re-hashed over and over again. Like Jason Richards said, "new new new".
I can't really say any more, but i'll just say that it's different and totally awesome.

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:

Bood Samel wrote:Oh....that sounds slick. I hope its in the vein of dead reign meets chaos earth. It sucks we have to wait! Did your write up include the Vintex and Blucies? I'm curious about the Vintex Imperium as I always pondered what d-bees know about the dark ages that humanity does not or took no part in.

No, i wrote about D-Bees only in very broad terms.
I tried to make it really different from Dead Reign. In fact, i tried to make it really different than the majority of pop culture zombie material. No one wants to see the same stuff re-hashed over and over again. Like Jason Richards said, "new new new".
I can't really say any more, but i'll just say that it's different and totally awesome.

Oh man! That sounds great. Please if you guys can get Dubisch for the art,he's great at dark and horrific material. Any idea when its gonna come out?

Bood Samel wrote:

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:

Bood Samel wrote:Oh....that sounds slick. I hope its in the vein of dead reign meets chaos earth. It sucks we have to wait! Did your write up include the Vintex and Blucies? I'm curious about the Vintex Imperium as I always pondered what d-bees know about the dark ages that humanity does not or took no part in.

No, i wrote about D-Bees only in very broad terms.
I tried to make it really different from Dead Reign. In fact, i tried to make it really different than the majority of pop culture zombie material. No one wants to see the same stuff re-hashed over and over again. Like Jason Richards said, "new new new".
I can't really say any more, but i'll just say that it's different and totally awesome.

Oh man! That sounds great. Please if you guys can get Dubisch for the art,he's great at dark and horrific material. Any idea when its gonna come out?

i wish wish wish we freelancers had some control over the art in the books, but we do not. And I just turned in the manuscript not even a month ago, so we'll see it in.....five years? Ten?

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:

Bood Samel wrote:

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:

Bood Samel wrote:Oh....that sounds slick. I hope its in the vein of dead reign meets chaos earth. It sucks we have to wait! Did your write up include the Vintex and Blucies? I'm curious about the Vintex Imperium as I always pondered what d-bees know about the dark ages that humanity does not or took no part in.

No, i wrote about D-Bees only in very broad terms.
I tried to make it really different from Dead Reign. In fact, i tried to make it really different than the majority of pop culture zombie material. No one wants to see the same stuff re-hashed over and over again. Like Jason Richards said, "new new new".
I can't really say any more, but i'll just say that it's different and totally awesome.

Oh man! That sounds great. Please if you guys can get Dubisch for the art,he's great at dark and horrific material. Any idea when its gonna come out?

i wish wish wish we freelancers had some control over the art in the books, but we do not. And I just turned in the manuscript not even a month ago, so we'll see it in.....five years? Ten?

True, true. Well 4 years from now I'll tell you if it rocks or not.

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:it's a thing that has to do with a manuscript i recently turned in for Chaos Earth. I dont know if Kevin plans to go with my manuscript as written or if he's going to expand on it for some huge event...he asked me to write it and i did.

He's going to publicly say that he was really pumped for the idea but was disappointed by the manuscript that was handed in, that he had to rewrite 3/4 of it himself which is why it was 2 years late and now it's totally awesome. S.O.P. But good luck!

Mechanurgist wrote:

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:it's a thing that has to do with a manuscript i recently turned in for Chaos Earth. I dont know if Kevin plans to go with my manuscript as written or if he's going to expand on it for some huge event...he asked me to write it and i did.

He's going to publicly say that he was really pumped for the idea but was disappointed by the manuscript that was handed in, that he had to rewrite 3/4 of it himself which is why it was 2 years late and now it's totally awesome. S.O.P. But good luck!

With the new batch of freelancers and a crop of new books it would appear KS has loosened the reigns a bit. Though I'd really want this material now.

Mechanurgist wrote:

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:it's a thing that has to do with a manuscript i recently turned in for Chaos Earth. I dont know if Kevin plans to go with my manuscript as written or if he's going to expand on it for some huge event...he asked me to write it and i did.

He's going to publicly say that he was really pumped for the idea but was disappointed by the manuscript that was handed in, that he had to rewrite 3/4 of it himself which is why it was 2 years late and now it's totally awesome. S.O.P. But good luck!

ha ha...not likely.

I know this thread is kind of old but I wondering ..

if all the Palladium games is linked into a single time line and there is a zombie apocalypse during the Coming of the Rifts as well as an invasion of Demons, Devils and other Monsters through the Rifts as described by Erin Tarin in RUE, then it would make sense that most of the zombies are taken out by the Demons, Devils and other Monsters coming in through the Rifts don't you?

I don't see the zombies making any target differentiation between Humans and Demons/Devils/Monsters.. both have valid sources of PPE which Zombies are after.. if anything, it would make sense that zombies would bypass ordinary humans for Demons/Devils/Monsters from the Rifts who have greater sources of PPE than ordinary humans..

An all-out war between the Zombies who are after supernaturals' PPE and the Demons/Devils/Monsters seeking to invade earth.. Evil vs Evil.. Monster vs Monster.. I would pay to watch that on prime time tv .. lol...

Or an all-out war between the Zombies and D-Bees would be just as entertaining to watch.. Hey make it an all-out war between the Zombies, D-Bees, Demons, Devils, Monsters, Dragons and Humans.. This would be one hell of a show.. LOL..

Note that during the Really Bad Years of the Coming of the Rifts, there's a lot more possessing entities, a lot more fresh corpses going undisposed of properly, and even a rnadom chance of dead bodies re-animating spontanously with a malicious spirit in the pilot's seat, so zombies are a LOT more common during those bleak years...hence...armies of undead roaming about.
Nowadays, Rifts communities are MUCH more careful about disposing of the dead, either performing elaborate rreligious rituals to put down the dead, and/or cremating the bodies to prevent them rising again under the hand of some evil spirit(or necromancer).

taalismn wrote:Note that during the Really Bad Years of the Coming of the Rifts, there's a lot more possessing entities, a lot more fresh corpses going undisposed of properly, and even a rnadom chance of dead bodies re-animating spontanously with a malicious spirit in the pilot's seat, so zombies are a LOT more common during those bleak years...hence...armies of undead roaming about.
Nowadays, Rifts communities are MUCH more careful about disposing of the dead, either performing elaborate rreligious rituals to put down the dead, and/or cremating the bodies to prevent them rising again under the hand of some evil spirit(or necromancer).

Or recycling the bodies for their valuable chemical elements. I was told back in school that the average human body was 75% water... In the thundercloud galaxy book it says 65%, not sure which is correct... But a valuable source of drinking water never the less... Also food if your people aren't choosy - though that leads to problems all on its own such as prion disease and other such things. Though humans can adapt to where they don't catch those too.

Godogma wrote:

taalismn wrote:Note that during the Really Bad Years of the Coming of the Rifts, there's a lot more possessing entities, a lot more fresh corpses going undisposed of properly, and even a rnadom chance of dead bodies re-animating spontanously with a malicious spirit in the pilot's seat, so zombies are a LOT more common during those bleak years...hence...armies of undead roaming about.
Nowadays, Rifts communities are MUCH more careful about disposing of the dead, either performing elaborate rreligious rituals to put down the dead, and/or cremating the bodies to prevent them rising again under the hand of some evil spirit(or necromancer).

Or recycling the bodies for their valuable chemical elements. I was told back in school that the average human body was 75% water... In the thundercloud galaxy book it says 65%, not sure which is correct... But a valuable source of drinking water never the less... Also food if your people aren't choosy - though that leads to problems all on its own such as prion disease and other such things. Though humans can adapt to where they don't catch those too.

Outside hermetically-sealed bunker communities, post-Rifts/dark ages, finding wild food outside(as the ecology recovers) isn't likely to be a problem...it's harvesting it without getting picked off in turn by something else.

Maybe Nxla made a first attempt that wasn't well known? Or having to do with FoM 'create zombie' armies prior to MDC armor/weapons being wider spread.

I for one would love to see more dark ages zombie wars. Not set in Chaos Earth though. Rather it be a prequel or semi-prequal to humanity getting out if the Dark Ages. As well as the A.I. wars or something similar mentioned in later Phase World books. As long as it does not delay other older manuscripsts as well.

Sureshot wrote:I for one would love to see more dark ages zombie wars. Not set in Chaos Earth though. Rather it be a prequel or semi-prequal to humanity getting out if the Dark Ages. As well as the A.I. wars or something similar mentioned in later Phase World books. As long as it does not delay other older manuscripsts as well.

I would prefer a zombie vs demon/devil war. Or even a zombie vs vampire war. That would be a great show. Heheheh..

crystaleye1950 wrote:

Sureshot wrote:I for one would love to see more dark ages zombie wars. Not set in Chaos Earth though. Rather it be a prequel or semi-prequal to humanity getting out if the Dark Ages. As well as the A.I. wars or something similar mentioned in later Phase World books. As long as it does not delay other older manuscripsts as well.

I would prefer a zombie vs demon/devil war. Or even a zombie vs vampire war. That would be a great show. Heheheh..

Provided neither side decides to snack on the spectators.

I would be curious how a zombie plague story line would work in current era rifts earth. Most zombie plague stories count on high population density of cities and people being slow to react/unable to believe the dead are rising and act accordingly.

In rifts earth you really have none of these to work with. Overall population density is very low other than a few of the CS fortress cities. In those few cities that have really high population density they are crawling with PSI stalkers/dog boys and experience in dealing with magic and dead coming back to life and other weirdness.

I think even in non CS states people would react rapidly to people rising from the dead and would probably react with the KILL IT WITH FIRE reflex rapidly.

It would take a very special/physically strong zombie to be much of a threat sure they may be hard to kill but its hard to bite a guy in full environmental armor and if the zombies can do MDC bites its hard to infect guy who you pretty much turn into a pile of goo with one bite. And even if the zombies were strong enough to be a threat its not like current cities where if something like this happened you could get millions of living dead in the matter of a few days the population simply isn't there and the places that do have population are at nearly a constant level of alertness for supernatural hijinks so there is no catching authorities unprepared.

I can see a zombie invasion circa chaos earth at that time there was still a great chunk of population that had limited awareness of the supernatural so you had big enough pools for zombie plagues to start and authorities not yet aware of all the ways supernatural stuff could come out to bite you.

crystaleye1950 wrote:I know this thread is kind of old but I wondering ..

if all the Palladium games is linked into a single time line and there is a zombie apocalypse during the Coming of the Rifts as well as an invasion of Demons, Devils and other Monsters through the Rifts as described by Erin Tarin in RUE, then it would make sense that most of the zombies are taken out by the Demons, Devils and other Monsters coming in through the Rifts don't you?

I don't see the zombies making any target differentiation between Humans and Demons/Devils/Monsters.. both have valid sources of PPE which Zombies are after.. if anything, it would make sense that zombies would bypass ordinary humans for Demons/Devils/Monsters from the Rifts who have greater sources of PPE than ordinary humans..

An all-out war between the Zombies who are after supernaturals' PPE and the Demons/Devils/Monsters seeking to invade earth.. Evil vs Evil.. Monster vs Monster.. I would pay to watch that on prime time tv .. lol...

Or an all-out war between the Zombies and D-Bees would be just as entertaining to watch.. Hey make it an all-out war between the Zombies, D-Bees, Demons, Devils, Monsters, Dragons and Humans.. This would be one hell of a show.. LOL..

Personally, Zombies are overrated.

The whole zombie apocalypse thing works in the Chaos Earth era because magic hasn't been learned as very much of a discipline yet and people aren't all that aware on the supernatural hellhole that Rifts Earth has become. As far as a more modern Rifts zombie problem? Maybe in smaller towns that supposedly exist where MDC weapons and armor aren't commonplace...

Except most every town I've seen in any of the books that doesn't really seem to exist. And the few fade towns and such where they don't seem to have the weapons and MDC armor they have a strong protector/overlord who wouldn't tolerate the molestation of his subjects.

But on Chaos Earth I don't really see them as being a problem for the player characters to mop up either... NEMA Armor and Weapons are equal to a lot of the high end weapons from Rifts Earth... Depends on how the zombies work. I haven't seen the Dead Reign zombies, but they aren't supposed to be like them anyway. I suppose we'll see when the book comes out.

Though I do agree; zombies are overrated.

SAMASzero wrote:Personally, Zombies are overrated.

sure, they are now that the internet has turned them into a cheap cartoon. But i'm taking my monsters back.

if all the Palladium games is linked into a single time line and there is a zombie apocalypse during the Coming of the Rifts as well as an invasion of Demons, Devils and other Monsters through the Rifts as described by Erin Tarin in RUE, then it would make sense that most of the zombies are taken out by the Demons, Devils and other Monsters coming in through the Rifts don't you?

I don't see the zombies making any target differentiation between Humans and Demons/Devils/Monsters.. both have valid sources of PPE which Zombies are after.. if anything, it would make sense that zombies would bypass ordinary humans for Demons/Devils/Monsters from the Rifts who have greater sources of PPE than ordinary humans..

An all-out war between the Zombies who are after supernaturals' PPE and the Demons/Devils/Monsters seeking to invade earth.. Evil vs Evil.. Monster vs Monster.. I would pay to watch that on prime time tv .. lol...

Or an all-out war between the Zombies and D-Bees would be just as entertaining to watch.. Hey make it an all-out war between the Zombies, D-Bees, Demons, Devils, Monsters, Dragons and Humans.. This would be one hell of a show.. LOL..

i mention in the manuscript briefly that Chaos Earth zombies and demons dont have any kind of "war" with each other. Demons are after sacrifices and worshippers, and zombies are after something a little more visceral. Trying not to give anything away, but the two groups aren't allies or enemies or anything. Demons are demons and zombies are zombies. And NEMA has to deal with all of it.

nothing in Chaos Earth is related to anything else in the way they are in vanilla Rifts. It's a lot crazier, which is why I like writing for it.

way back in rifter 27 was the onset of the zombie wars in chaos earth. The British NEMA Equivalent was fighting the zombies.... Fwank probably changed things a bit to have it occur during Nema..
but ...I don't think Zombies represent a challenge to even a naked NEMA character.

i didn't read that. I did something totally new.
and they are all kind of challenges. first of all, NEMA characters are pre-occupied with rescuing survivors, most of whom have no weapons or armor or combat ability of any kind. And there's literally millions of the living dead bearing down on them. second of all, even regular Chaos Earth zombies are strong enough to tear apart body armor given enough time. the toughest can take go toe-to-toe with anything short of power armor. think of it like a dog-pile. if you're at the bottom, you can't move or fight or do much of anything, can you? All you can do is lay there and take it. and dead people dont get tired, or hungry, or bored or frustrated. they just keep going, forever.

the good news is, Kevin said he wants to get this book out in early 2013. I'm sure he'll talk more about it in the weeks ahead.

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:

SAMASzero wrote:Personally, Zombies are overrated.

sure, they are now that the internet has turned them into a cheap cartoon. But i'm taking my monsters back.

I mean that I personally never thought of Zombies as being any kind of actual threat. It takes assloads of Authorial fiat, assumptions, and lack of anatomical knowledge to make them anything resembling dangerous.

Unless you severely mutate them, that is. At which point you gotta ask yourself why you need walking corpses anyway.

SAMASzero wrote:

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:

SAMASzero wrote:Personally, Zombies are overrated.

sure, they are now that the internet has turned them into a cheap cartoon. But i'm taking my monsters back.

I mean that I personally never thought of Zombies as being any kind of actual threat. It takes assloads of Authorial fiat, assumptions, and lack of anatomical knowledge to make them anything resembling dangerous.

kind of like everything else in the fantasy/sci-fi genres. cybernetics? dragons? magic? demons? zombies? all the same.
it's scary because it doesn't work. dead bodies don't actually get up and walk around and act violently. they can't. it's impossible. But when you suspend your disbelief for a little while and imagine 'what if they did?' it becomes scary and fun.
you, as a real person, should never consider them an actual threat. but fictional characters should.

Panomas wrote:

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:the good news is, Kevin said he wants to get this book out in early 2013. I'm sure he'll talk more about it in the weeks ahead.

Your manuscript sounds interesting and I hope we will be seeing it soon.

I was wondering what other work have you done for Palladium Books, and have you published anywhere else?

Thanks-

cool. I also hope that.

For Palladium, i've been in a few Rifters, the Tales of the Chi-Town Burbs, and I co-wrote Rifts Madhaven and Triax 2. I also did a little work for D-Bees of North America and Rifts Black Market sourcebook.
i haven't been published outside of Palladium yet, but I am writing some stories to shop around.

Well, it doesn't help that in ninety percent of zombie movies they don't leave you guessing as to what exactly caused the zombies in the first place... Just mysteriously some disease caused them to get up and walk or some ****... If that were true they'd all die out from starvation as their own tissues consumed themselves after what few humans are left locked themselves up because the zombies don't eat each other... Then you get into the issues of decay and insects.

Maggots from the common house fly would quickly give a zombie a very bad day. It's really hard to say "oh that's scary" when you see nothing that makes any sense produced with the idea.

Now a loa zombie or the like is actually pretty scary because its a living person made to be that way. Much more intense and interesting when it makes at least some sense.

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:

SAMASzero wrote:

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:

SAMASzero wrote:Personally, Zombies are overrated.

sure, they are now that the internet has turned them into a cheap cartoon. But i'm taking my monsters back.

I mean that I personally never thought of Zombies as being any kind of actual threat. It takes assloads of Authorial fiat, assumptions, and lack of anatomical knowledge to make them anything resembling dangerous.

kind of like everything else in the fantasy/sci-fi genres. cybernetics? dragons? magic? demons? zombies? all the same.
it's scary because it doesn't work. dead bodies don't actually get up and walk around and act violently. they can't. it's impossible. But when you suspend your disbelief for a little while and imagine 'what if they did?' it becomes scary and fun.
you, as a real person, should never consider them an actual threat. but fictional characters should.

That's not quite what I meant. I can think of a dozen ways mystical or otherwise to get a dead body moving. I mean specifically the whole "Zombie Apocalypse/World War Z" angle, where they are a threat to Mankind As We Know It. Mindless and typically unarmed corpses alone just don't cut it.

Now there are some nasty things you can do with a walking corpse, like the Necroborgs/bots in Splicers, Flood Carrier Forms in Halo, and those exploding head corpses around Legion in Castlevania: Dawn of Shadows. But if you can do that with a corpse, then do that with all your corpses. Don't waste your troop space with stuff that can be stopped by an 8ft high wall.

SAMASzero wrote:

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:

SAMASzero wrote:

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:

SAMASzero wrote:Personally, Zombies are overrated.

sure, they are now that the internet has turned them into a cheap cartoon. But i'm taking my monsters back.

I mean that I personally never thought of Zombies as being any kind of actual threat. It takes assloads of Authorial fiat, assumptions, and lack of anatomical knowledge to make them anything resembling dangerous.

kind of like everything else in the fantasy/sci-fi genres. cybernetics? dragons? magic? demons? zombies? all the same.
it's scary because it doesn't work. dead bodies don't actually get up and walk around and act violently. they can't. it's impossible. But when you suspend your disbelief for a little while and imagine 'what if they did?' it becomes scary and fun.
you, as a real person, should never consider them an actual threat. but fictional characters should.

That's not quite what I meant. I can think of a dozen ways mystical or otherwise to get a dead body moving. I mean specifically the whole "Zombie Apocalypse/World War Z" angle, where they are a threat to Mankind As We Know It. Mindless and typically unarmed corpses alone just don't cut it.

right on. I guess it's like one of those things where you just have to go with it because that's what's happening in the story. Some people don't dig that kind of disconnect from reality. personally, i love that ****.

One thing that I do not understand about the Zombie Wars is why Vintex Warriors were harmed by the Zombies as the VW are MDC critters and how the zombies could erradicate the invasion force

Personally I never use fresh eating zombie mdc, unless the the race of the zombie is mdc to began with. Given the nature of rifts , sure the mindless horde of sdc zombie don't stand a chance against md weapons, but with bullets flying around the odds of infected matter hitting a mdc creature and infecting them, and making that zombie threat more fun, a mixed of both of mdc zombies and sdc zombies is just fun to do.

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:

SAMASzero wrote:Personally, Zombies are overrated.

sure, they are now that the internet has turned them into a cheap cartoon. But i'm taking my monsters back.

if all the Palladium games is linked into a single time line and there is a zombie apocalypse during the Coming of the Rifts as well as an invasion of Demons, Devils and other Monsters through the Rifts as described by Erin Tarin in RUE, then it would make sense that most of the zombies are taken out by the Demons, Devils and other Monsters coming in through the Rifts don't you?

I don't see the zombies making any target differentiation between Humans and Demons/Devils/Monsters.. both have valid sources of PPE which Zombies are after.. if anything, it would make sense that zombies would bypass ordinary humans for Demons/Devils/Monsters from the Rifts who have greater sources of PPE than ordinary humans..

An all-out war between the Zombies who are after supernaturals' PPE and the Demons/Devils/Monsters seeking to invade earth.. Evil vs Evil.. Monster vs Monster.. I would pay to watch that on prime time tv .. lol...

Or an all-out war between the Zombies and D-Bees would be just as entertaining to watch.. Hey make it an all-out war between the Zombies, D-Bees, Demons, Devils, Monsters, Dragons and Humans.. This would be one hell of a show.. LOL..

i mention in the manuscript briefly that Chaos Earth zombies and demons dont have any kind of "war" with each other. Demons are after sacrifices and worshippers, and zombies are after something a little more visceral. Trying not to give anything away, but the two groups aren't allies or enemies or anything. Demons are demons and zombies are zombies. And NEMA has to deal with all of it.

nothing in Chaos Earth is related to anything else in the way they are in vanilla Rifts. It's a lot crazier, which is why I like writing for it.

way back in rifter 27 was the onset of the zombie wars in chaos earth. The British NEMA Equivalent was fighting the zombies.... Fwank probably changed things a bit to have it occur during Nema..
but ...I don't think Zombies represent a challenge to even a naked NEMA character.

i didn't read that. I did something totally new.
and they are all kind of challenges. first of all, NEMA characters are pre-occupied with rescuing survivors, most of whom have no weapons or armor or combat ability of any kind. And there's literally millions of the living dead bearing down on them. second of all, even regular Chaos Earth zombies are strong enough to tear apart body armor given enough time. the toughest can take go toe-to-toe with anything short of power armor. think of it like a dog-pile. if you're at the bottom, you can't move or fight or do much of anything, can you? All you can do is lay there and take it. and dead people dont get tired, or hungry, or bored or frustrated. they just keep going, forever.

the good news is, Kevin said he wants to get this book out in early 2013. I'm sure he'll talk more about it in the weeks ahead.

Sounds like someone read World War Z recently.

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:
Demons are after sacrifices and worshippers, and zombies are after something a little more visceral.

Braaaaaaaaaiiiinnssss?

Kidding aside; it does sound cool.

earthhawk wrote:
Sounds like someone read World War Z recently.

i only read a little of that book. It was good for what it was. Max Brooks is a comedy writer, and I like my horror to be more horrifying. The story of the family on their way to Canada was good though. I did like that one.

Personally I never use fresh eating zombie mdc, unless the the race of the zombie is mdc to began with. Given the nature of rifts , sure the mindless horde of sdc zombie don't stand a chance against md weapons, but with bullets flying around the odds of infected matter hitting a mdc creature and infecting them, and making that zombie threat more fun, a mixed of both of mdc zombies and sdc zombies is just fun to do.

One thing that I do not understand about the Zombie Wars is why Vintex Warriors were harmed by the Zombies as the VW are MDC critters and how the zombies could erradicate the invasion force

well the zombies i wrote for this book are M.D.C. creatures with...either augmented or robotic strength; i can't remember. the basic zombies can do M.D. power punches and some of the more esoteric variety have other "abilities" at their disposal. All of which are bad for living things. And remember, there's millions of them in Chaos Earth. More every day. If the concern is whether or not they would be a challenge to NEMA or any M.D.C. alien race, then i think you shouldn't worry.

Of course, this is all from the original manuscript and is subject to any number of changes.

Dunia wrote:

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:
Demons are after sacrifices and worshippers, and zombies are after something a little more visceral.

Braaaaaaaaaiiiinnssss?

Kidding aside; it does sound cool.

yeah, there's that cheap cartoon thing again.
thanks, though. I think it will be a popular book.

RoadWarriorFWaNK wrote:

earthhawk wrote:
Sounds like someone read World War Z recently.

i only read a little of that book. It was good for what it was. Max Brooks is a comedy writer, and I like my horror to be more horrifying. The story of the family on their way to Canada was good though. I did like that one.

Personally I never use fresh eating zombie mdc, unless the the race of the zombie is mdc to began with. Given the nature of rifts , sure the mindless horde of sdc zombie don't stand a chance against md weapons, but with bullets flying around the odds of infected matter hitting a mdc creature and infecting them, and making that zombie threat more fun, a mixed of both of mdc zombies and sdc zombies is just fun to do.

One thing that I do not understand about the Zombie Wars is why Vintex Warriors were harmed by the Zombies as the VW are MDC critters and how the zombies could erradicate the invasion force

well the zombies i wrote for this book are M.D.C. creatures with...either augmented or robotic strength; i can't remember. the basic zombies can do M.D. power punches and some of the more esoteric variety have other "abilities" at their disposal. All of which are bad for living things. And remember, there's millions of them in Chaos Earth. More every day. If the concern is whether or not they would be a challenge to NEMA or any M.D.C. alien race, then i think you shouldn't worry.

Of course, this is all from the original manuscript and is subject to any number of changes.

So mdc zombie with mdc strength, you might want them to say brains and add capes to them, they might get some street cred then and seem less silly. Nothing more horrifying then watching your most powerful weapons (md) ripping thru a horde of zombies(sdc) with no effect on them, much like tanks firing SABOT rounds at zombies or dropping bombs and the zombies still coming at you, sorry mdcing zombies just sounds silly!

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:So mdc zombie with mdc strength, you might want them to say brains and add capes to them, they might get some street cred then and seem less silly. Nothing more horrifying then watching your most powerful weapons (md) ripping thru a horde of zombies(sdc) with no effect on them, much like tanks firing SABOT rounds at zombies or dropping bombs and the zombies still coming at you, sorry mdcing zombies just sounds silly!

hopefully you will change your mind when you see them.