Rhomphaia wrote:Ok, this post made me laugh. The logic used is so ridiculous it's comedy gold.
Killer Cyborg wrote:Rhomphaia wrote:Don't you just love people who flout their opinions as facts?
In this case, it's clearly not a matter where opinion counts.
You should rephrase this, maybe something along the lines of "My opinion is the only one that matters here. If anyone disagrees with me then they are wrong."
My opinion does not count here.
The facts that I mention do.
If a power does not list an ability, it does not have that ability.
That is your house-rule and that is fine for your games.
No, it's how reality works.
If the rules of Monopoly do not include punching your opponent and taking his cash, then it's not legal according to the rules, and it's not a house rule to say that it's illegal.
If the rules of Risk do not mention using submarines to nuke your enemies, then it's not legal according to the rules, and it's not a house rule to say that it's illegal.
If the rules of Rifts do not mention using psychic powers to heal MDC, then it's not legal according to the rules, and it's not a house rule to say that it's illegal.
That's how things work.
If you have any counter-argument based on facts, present it.
Otherwise, all you have is your opinion, and we both know how little that's worth.
If x does not describe the power to heal MDC, then it does not.
That's a simple fact.
Unfortunately, no, it's not that simple, especially in this case where we have a Palladium Rules FAQ saying that it is fair to assume so and there are many, many precidents that leave it in ambiguity.
A FAQ that has no real bearing on the actual rules of the game.
The FAQ is answered here on the boards, by a consensus of people who happen to show up and post their views, then it is accepted or denied on the opinions of the mods and the original poster.
Unless there are official rules cited in the FAQ, or a direct quote from an official author, then the FAQ is meaningless.
All you've done here is state somebody else's opinion as if it were fact.
Because that's all that FAQ quote was, somebody else's opinion.
For either case, at best, it is a matter of judgment on the part of a GM. Stop telling people who disagree with you they are wrong on this. This is clearly a case where both sides are right.
No, it's not.
If the rules don't allow for something, then the rules don't allow for it.
It's that simple.
However people want to house-rule in their games is up to them, but nobody's opinion here affects what the rules actually are.
Telekinesis does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Pyrokinesis does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Telepathy does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Speed Reading does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
6th Sense does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Mind Block does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
I wonder why none of these describe the ability to heal MDC, or even imply it. Oh, that's right...
they're not healing powers.
Exactly.
And now let's look at the list of official psionic
Healing Powers:
Deaden Pain does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Detect Psionics does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Exorcism does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Induce Sleep does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Meditation does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Psychic Diagnosis does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Psychic Purification does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Resist Fatigue does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Restore PPE does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Stop Bleeding does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Suppress Fear does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
And do you know why?
That's correct: even though they're healing powers, they're not designed to heal MDC.
We know this, because none of them describe that ability.
It's
almost as if powers that don't describe the ability to heal MDC,
don't heal MDC, regardless of whether or not they're designed to heal
something, or are generally considered "healing" powers.
Similarly,
Bio-Regeneration does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Healing Touch does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Psychic Surgery does not describe the ability to heal MDC, therefore it does not.
Get the pattern yet?
And if a power used to heal SDC does not describe any ability to heal MDC, then it does not.
Again, your opinion.
You can't dismiss facts by pretending they're opinions, and it's foolish to attempt to do so.
the Palladium System is notoriously bad for providing vagueness in all of its rules through the years.
Agreed.
Which is why it's important that we as players and customers avoid just making **** up whenever we feel like it, and pretending that our desires are the official rules.
In this case, there is nothing in the rules allowing for psychic powers to heal MDC
unless the power specifically says that it is possible Other people take this into account to come up with their house-rules, even Kevin Siembieda himself. I would hope you are intelligent enough to at least have considered that before coming up with your ruling.
We're not talking about house rules.
I even stated as much, even though
it's common sense that people can and do make up whatever house rules they want.
It's just as much common sense to know that house rules don't affect the actual rules of the game, so when people ask what the rules of the game are,
discussing house rules is useless to the point of being counter-productive.
It's like asking somebody if it's legal to smoke pot, and having them tell you, "Sure, man. Do whatever you want. As long as you have fun, you're obeying the law."
When somebody asks about house rules, then I'll talk about house rules.
When somebody asks about rules, I'll talk about rules.
This is a case of the latter.
It doesn't matter if I, you, Kevin Siembieda, or God Almighty Himself and his entire host of angels ALL play by house rules- that doesn't change the official rules of the game one bit.
Capiche?
Powers come through the granting of them, not through the imagination, hopes, and wishes of the players.
That's where house rules come from.
So if I get this statement right, you are basically dismissing any contrary argument by accusing anyone who rules other than you do as a wishy-washy gamer? Nice, real classy.
I'm dismissing any contrary argument by pointing out what the rules say.
I'm dismissing non-existent rules that people claim might be there simply because these people think it would make more sense if they
were as being confused on the difference between desire and reality.
"Wishy-Washy" describes an inability to make decisions, and is not something that I have mentioned or implied.
Making a false claim based on emotion is not the same as not making a decision, and I'm in the dark as to how you could equate the two.
So while people are free to house-rule however they like, and their house-rules may be arguably superior to the official rules, that doesn't change what the official rules ARE.
At least in one thing we are in agreement. However...
And in this case, the official rules are clear: some powers heal MDC, and some do not.
For the last time, no they are not! There is enough ambiguity given throughout the game system that we really need to question the way that psionics are written up. As I said before, there are numerous places that provide wiggle-room to justify healing powers healing MDC.[/quote]
I forgot that you repeating your opinion made it turn magically into fact.
My bad.
One final note. Killer Cyborg, the general consensus on this thread is that by the letter of the rules, psionics do not heal MDC, but that the rule is ambiguous and does need house-ruling and that people are free to make those rules as they feel are needed on this issue.
The general consensus is wrong- no house ruling is
needed.
You are the only one making the argument that any house rule that enables psionics to heal MDC is just flat wrong and in blatant violation of the rules.
And since I have only made that argument in your imagination, I believe that this is an issue that you should resolve yourself.
I still maintain my position on the matter that the rules are ambiguous.
Feel free to provide some solid support for that position at any time.