Re: new rules for multiclassing.
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 3:08 pm
1st edition has good simple rules for multiple OCCs.
AlexanderD wrote:ok I hate the existing rules for multi-classing, they are not competitive with other games out there and in my opinion are written to discourage people from multi-classing in palladium. I understand the thoughts behind that methodology, but don't agree with it. its a game, players want to make their characters wear several different hats, I say let them, but like other systems give them a cost.
feel free to critique this as I'm also looking for constructive criticism to make this rules set better. what I have so far.
1. must find someone to train you... medieval setting needs to train like a squire or apprentice, someone who will spend quality time teaching the student in down time or in game time.
2. the trainer must be confident enough to train/teach the class. he must be level 3 or more, Or whatever level the gm thinks appropriate.
3. look at the new class, in the occ skills and numbered abilities of the class, each one the player does not already posses takes 1d4-1 (minimum 1) month of time training to learn. skills must be picked up first if training in campaign. class abilities are learned last (in my games I say class abilities take a flat 3-4 months to learn each). You can focus on learning up to 3 different skills in one time period if all your character does is practice those and foregoes any other activities like adventuring, and that are all skills that don't require one another for prerequisites to each other(i.e. one cant be math, the other advanced math). Class abilities MUST be learned one at a time unless gm rules they are similar enough to be learned together in same time period. all new skills are 1st level, class abilities are not usable till a level in the class is taken(see below).
4. skills the character already has don't change, and take no time, unless they are skills that can be taken a second time to improve them, then player can choose to take 1d4-1 months to retrain and get the +x%, or can forgo that option and save time. (example some domestic skills can be taken again for a +10% and professional quality). these skills continue leveling when the character starts in his new class, just cause your learning and new at being a______________ doesn't mean you don't still learn new things every time you hop up on your horse and ride, the level freeze on skills of the old method in that respect never made any sense to me.
5. hand to hand takes no time if players current hand to hand is better, if the new one is better, it takes 3 months of training /step better. (player has hand to hand, new class uses martial, thats 6 months of training to bring his basic up to current level martial.
6 other related occ skills, character may take them and pay the 1d4-1 time training, or not and save time, up to them. Must have the prerequisite of corse, and someone to train them in that skill in the party or somewhere.
7 secondary skills, as they got these in their last class, and they reflect more like hobbies the players character had in his pre adventuring life, the player doesn't get any from the new class.
8 starting gear and money & all that, common sense, the trainer may give them stuff like holy symbols and basic stuff to start them out, but obviously an existing character gets no new money or equipment beyond that and will have to purchase what he needs.
9 after completing training of all abilities (gm may say 75% of the class abilities in special situations or for story sake) the next level earned in exp. can be taken in the new class. characters new skills with exception to hand to hand, start at level one ability, his old skills he has in common with the new class (skills both classes have in their occ skills) keep advancing at the level they were before+ each level of the new class(example wp sword was lv 5 in soldier class, takes 2 levels of paladin, so now wp sword is level 7). skills that are not available at all to the new class stop advancing(example lore magic, isn't available to new class) or advance at half rate(GM's call)
exception, secondary skills, still advance as they are independent of class/occupation and are lifelong hobbies (like roleplaying) that the character will always pursue.
spell level for casting classes are stopped or allowed to progress at half level(GM's discretion), wild talent psionics(none class related) continue.
thats it for now.
item 1: Alex you need to spell check your posts. This one had so many misspellings it was horrible. And the general incomplete thoughts of the sentences make it look/feel unfinished.
item 2: Yes, they are written to discourage people from changing the char's class in palladium. This also reflects the truth that in the culture, that a person tended to hold a job type all their lives.
PB also does not need to be "competitive" in this aspect of their game. Since most chars do not last very long, it is almost a non-issue.
1) Has no disagreement with the basic idea that the char would need to find a teacher. This is also very hard to do because most tradesmen are looking for young teens (at oldest) to train up in their trade.
2) Has no disagreement with the basic idea of this section. However, in PB squire is a OCC, not a knight in training.
3) While the Basic tasks of the skill can be picked up with relative ease for some skills. It is learning all the tasks of the skill and their polishing that take years to do.
So so it would be more like 3-4 years when the char has to forgo adventuring.
4) Remember that changing class is when your char decides to 'live a new life' and does not use the old skills because they are out of their new idea for living.
Not an ephemeral idea like "I want to learn how to do <X> to expand my knowledge."
It is like "I am no longer a solder, I am a Barkeep now"
5) This is the worst idea of the lot an is pure rubbish. IF, the char did nothing but train their h2h all day long, no holidays and other breaks you might be correct for bringing basic up to same level @ Expert. But bringing it to bring Expert to MA would require quite a bit of retraining and even then it would only bring it up to L1 MA h2h.
6) Has no disagreement with the basic idea.
7) Has no disagreement with the basic idea
8 ) Common sense, is most often wrong. Since most people do not think about things they are often wrong.
Otherwise, has no disagreement with the basic idea that the trainer will help out with specialty items, and the char will have to buy the rest out of pocket.
9) Has disagreement with the basic idea. Let's just say it is straying into very non-canon.
9.1) Has no disagreement with the basic idea of excluding secondary skills from being frozen.
9.2) Magic spells' "per level" are relative to the magic class level, nothing else.
9.3) Minor and Major psi's powers are "per level" relative to the higher level class.
