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after reading the zombie spell I got to thinking, what would happen if you killed say a horse and a few guys, sewed parts of their bodies together within the time limit and then used the create zombie spell, would the remains of only one rise or since they are now one body would they rise together, and if you can create such monstrosities, what bonuses would there be?

the ritual turns a corpse into the undead. not two corpses, not two corpses sewn together, but a corpse.

of course, you *could* zombify the human corpse, then the horse corpse (it doesn't technically disallow this, though it's fairly obvious the intent is humans since a horse driving a car around is... well... likely to suffer penalties to the skill, shall we say?), then glue/staple/weld/tie/bolt/sew them together and pretend that they're a single undead monstrosity.

also, while it technically doesn't say, i would require the body to be turned into a zombie to be at least *reasonably* intact.

Check out the Death walker OCC in Rifter 8

Don't spel magic zombies completely regenerate all damage, so the part would grow back and for that matter, they shouldn't decay anymore than what they did before the spell was cast.

Shark_Force wrote:the ritual turns a corpse into the undead. not two corpses, not two corpses sewn together, but a corpse.

of course, you *could* zombify the human corpse, then the horse corpse (it doesn't technically disallow this, though it's fairly obvious the intent is humans since a horse driving a car around is... well... likely to suffer penalties to the skill, shall we say?), then glue/staple/weld/tie/bolt/sew them together and pretend that they're a single undead monstrosity.

also, while it technically doesn't say, i would require the body to be turned into a zombie to be at least *reasonably* intact.

the definition of corpse is a dead body. the definition does not say that it must come from the same critter, it is a single body and it is deceased. though I can see the penalties to some skills, and I can understand why you would require the body to be at least mostly there.

anthar wrote:Don't spel magic zombies completely regenerate all damage, so the part would grow back and for that matter, they shouldn't decay anymore than what they did before the spell was cast.

that's why you cut it up and sew it up before you resurrect it, and you are correct, they do not decay further after the spell is cast.

BIBBI wrote:the definition of corpse is a dead body. the definition does not say that it must come from the same critter, it is a single body and it is deceased. though I can see the penalties to some skills, and I can understand why you would require the body to be at least mostly there.

yes. *a* dead body. not two dead bodies. not two dead bodies chopped up and sewn together. if you want a centaur or anthropomorphic horse, you need to either first create that as a live being, kill it, and zombify it, or be death (as in, the horseman of the apocalypse) who can do it with animated dead and might be able to do it with zombies if he cared to.

Shark_Force wrote:

BIBBI wrote:the definition of corpse is a dead body. the definition does not say that it must come from the same critter, it is a single body and it is deceased. though I can see the penalties to some skills, and I can understand why you would require the body to be at least mostly there.

yes. *a* dead body. not two dead bodies. not two dead bodies chopped up and sewn together. if you want a centaur or anthropomorphic horse, you need to either first create that as a live being, kill it, and zombify it, or be death (as in, the horseman of the apocalypse) who can do it with animated dead and might be able to do it with zombies if he cared to.

Having not looked at the spells in a while is there a Flesh Golem spell in any of the Palladium books? I seem to remember that the AD&D creature was basically created by piecing together a number of corpses a la Frankenstein and animating it.

Nightmask wrote:

Shark_Force wrote:

BIBBI wrote:the definition of corpse is a dead body. the definition does not say that it must come from the same critter, it is a single body and it is deceased. though I can see the penalties to some skills, and I can understand why you would require the body to be at least mostly there.

yes. *a* dead body. not two dead bodies. not two dead bodies chopped up and sewn together. if you want a centaur or anthropomorphic horse, you need to either first create that as a live being, kill it, and zombify it, or be death (as in, the horseman of the apocalypse) who can do it with animated dead and might be able to do it with zombies if he cared to.

Having not looked at the spells in a while is there a Flesh Golem spell in any of the Palladium books? I seem to remember that the AD&D creature was basically created by piecing together a number of corpses a la Frankenstein and animating it.

sort of.

you can make a clay golem and then turn it into stone and then turn it into flesh, i think.

but as far as a necromantic golem type thing, i don't believe there is that i can recall.

Shark_Force wrote:

Nightmask wrote:

Shark_Force wrote:

BIBBI wrote:the definition of corpse is a dead body. the definition does not say that it must come from the same critter, it is a single body and it is deceased. though I can see the penalties to some skills, and I can understand why you would require the body to be at least mostly there.

yes. *a* dead body. not two dead bodies. not two dead bodies chopped up and sewn together. if you want a centaur or anthropomorphic horse, you need to either first create that as a live being, kill it, and zombify it, or be death (as in, the horseman of the apocalypse) who can do it with animated dead and might be able to do it with zombies if he cared to.

Having not looked at the spells in a while is there a Flesh Golem spell in any of the Palladium books? I seem to remember that the AD&D creature was basically created by piecing together a number of corpses a la Frankenstein and animating it.

sort of.

you can make a clay golem and then turn it into stone and then turn it into flesh, i think.

but as far as a necromantic golem type thing, i don't believe there is that i can recall.

Your example is from the Warlock OCC, a combination Air and Earth Warlock can create that kind of creature as it requires spells from both specifications to pull off.

Hmmm, so no Flesh Golems like in AD&D, too bad. It's a pretty interesting creation and provides a bit more variety on the creepy magical monsters end of things.

Nightmask wrote:Your example is from the Warlock OCC, a combination Air and Earth Warlock can create that kind of creature as it requires spells from both specifications to pull off.

Hmmm, so no Flesh Golems like in AD&D, too bad. It's a pretty interesting creation and provides a bit more variety on the creepy magical monsters end of things.

yes, it is from warlock. not sure if i'd go so far as to say there absolutely is no such thing, particularly since you could arguably use such a creature from any setting. but i will say that that's as close to the concept as i can recall.

so I believe that the general consensus is that an air and an earth warlock working together can create this but a llw or a necromancer cannot. :'(

BIBBI wrote:so I believe that the general consensus is that an air and an earth warlock working together can create this but a llw or a necromancer cannot. :'(

well, not with the create zombie spell, no.

you could, of course, create a new spell. there is, after all, a reason you're not playing a CRPG i presume, and while actually interacting with humans is one likely reason, i would be surprised if you didn't have at least some interest in the fact that you can change or remove whatever you don't like, add whatever you think is missing, and go in any direction your imagination can take you.