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flatline wrote:If the cannon fate of Rifts Earth revolves around the CS, then that fate should NOT be determined by advancing the time-line in new books. The books should place the CS near a tipping point so that the players can determine the fate of the world.

I don't like what they've done with the CS, but "fixing" things in cannon would be cheating the players.

--flatline

Ninjabunny wrote:No he shouldn't. Why? This is a boring idea, personally I don't see how this would balance anything. This strikes me as another thread that wishes to force their dislike of the Coalition and what they see as "unbalanced".

TechnoGothic wrote:FROM THE RIFTS EMERGES ... THE ... ORIGINAL ... EMPERIOR ... OF ... THE ... COALITION STATES ...

(the Rifts 1st Printing Emperior)

Giant2005 wrote:

Ninjabunny wrote:No he shouldn't. Why? This is a boring idea, personally I don't see how this would balance anything. This strikes me as another thread that wishes to force their dislike of the Coalition and what they see as "unbalanced".

You don't see it as a positive development tool?
For a person to grow in character, they need to suffer loss. A nation is no different.
Everybody hates that arrogant pr!ck that has never failed at anything in his life, that has been nurtured to the point that they are a 2-dimensional being who has never had to suffer as we all have. Sure in the early years prior to the setting the CS may have been in a bad way but we weren't a part of that. All we have seen in our timeline is the CS being coddled like a toddler - if we expect them to mature at all, they need to learn about pain.

jaymz wrote:I'd have no issue with Karl getting offed......though personally I think it would play out better if he stepepd down...."to let the nation move forward into the future on the shoulders of the Nation's future, their children"

TechnoGothic wrote:I want to see cyborgs like this :
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h232/ ... Police.jpg

DhAkael wrote:

jaymz wrote:I'd have no issue with Karl getting offed......though personally I think it would play out better if he stepepd down...."to let the nation move forward into the future on the shoulders of the Nation's future, their children"

As written (re; canon fluffy text)?
Not gonna happen.
Or if it does it goes to an entirely worse monster. I see Jospeh like a Geofery Lanister from 'Game of Thrones' (et-al) but with the brains of Tyrion.

face it; Joesph (as written, again) is one EVIL cold blooded sadistic prat.
It's just he's so damn charming he can get away with it. Sorta like Loki.

Bad Mojo wrote:

jaymz wrote:

DhAkael wrote:

jaymz wrote:I'd have no issue with Karl getting offed......though personally I think it would play out better if he stepepd down...."to let the nation move forward into the future on the shoulders of the Nation's future, their children"

As written (re; canon fluffy text)?
Not gonna happen.
Or if it does it goes to an entirely worse monster. I see Jospeh like a Geofery Lanister from 'Game of Thrones' (et-al) but with the brains of Tyrion.

face it; Joesph (as written, again) is one EVIL cold blooded sadistic prat.
It's just he's so damn charming he can get away with it. Sorta like Loki.

Which makes the CS all the more of an enemy and perhaps the enemy that will make people finally band together to finally stop the CS expansion at least. That's how I see it.

The problem is that thanks to the tolkeen war fubar, its pretty much been written that nobody will band together for stupid reasons. If anybody bands together against the CS now, I think all the dead of tolkeen (not to mention the pb fans) would come back as ghosts and scream "NOW?!?! NOW YOU WANT TO BAND TOGETHER?!?!? huh????!?! WERE YOU WHEN IT WOULD HAVE MATTERED?!?!". So, pb pretty much ruined any believable banning together against the CS scenario.

TechnoGothic wrote:FROM THE RIFTS EMERGES ... THE ... ORIGINAL ... EMPERIOR ... OF ... THE ... COALITION STATES ... EMPERIOR TROMM

(the Rifts 1st Printing Emperior)

TechnoGothic wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:FROM THE RIFTS EMERGES ... THE ... ORIGINAL ... EMPERIOR ... OF ... THE ... COALITION STATES ... EMPERIOR TROMM

(the Rifts 1st Printing Emperior)

He Emerges from a Rifts guarded by the CS, Near the Old Chicago Ley Lines.
The CS Soldiers raise their weapons to fire on this man, wearing outdated CS armor.
The CS Soldiers stop look to themselves as if they notice something. The Armor's Helmet bears the Unique design of the Emperior...
The Man removes his Helmet, revealing his face. He speaks "Men, I have returned, Your True Emperior Tromm. Where is that upstart Captain Karl Prosek ? He had the nerve to use a Magical Item on me, which caused me to traped by a Rift Event."
The Soldier Bow to Tromm, finally being able to remember he even exists.

Later ... One of the CS Major Generals approaches Emperior Proseks quarters, and Opens the door. "Sir, Their are reports of Tromm has returned. What do we do ?"
Emperior Prosek drops his wine glass with a shocked look to his face. "Troo..Tromm?" He grabs a locket that he has always worn. "How much to the Men Remember Major General ?"
"Sir, everyone is remembering his identity as soon as they see him from reports." Said the Major General with an angry look.
Prosek sighs "Well, This was Fun, being Emperior while it lasted. Tell Everyone who sided me to back them to leave Chi-Town Now before Tromm awakens the entire city and the whole military. We need to evac asap for our lives Major General. I guess Erin was right after all. That I was never meant to be Emperior of the World. Go Now, We leave in 15 minutes, gather my son and wife too, before they see Tromm themselves."
The Major General seems startled "Sir, We are retreating ? With Tromm's Wife and Child too ?"
Prosek "Yes you idiot, Tromm was responable for my entire family's death, so I took his family as my own. Ohh Tell the Vanguard I'll be coming back to to them and I want my old position back as Leader of the Vanguard. Because we must plot how to remove Tromm once again before MY Wife and Son ever sees him."
Major General "Sir, Yes, Sir. What about Bradford ? He always knew you were not the real emperior."
Prosek "Do nothing, Why else do you think i let him have free reign all these years, he kept my secret and yours."
Major General "Going Sir..." The Major General turns around and exists the room. His steps quicker than they should be. Prosek knows he has less than an hour from the time Tromm emerged from that Rift he banished him to, and used his lock's power to assume his mantle of leadership. Too bad once Tromm returned, Tromm is now immune to the lock's power.
Karl Prosek goes to the north wall of his room, waves his hand, and a secret door opens. Inside the room hundreds of magical artifacts clutter the room. He approaches a Crystal Ball, and gives a verbal command to it. The Crystal Ball glows brightly and humms. "Dunscan, do you hear me, Brother ?" A Voice replies. "Karl ? Is that you, I guess he has returned soon than planned then ? Karl's face shows contempt "Yes you crazy SOB, We are leaving Chi-town. Are you going to meet us at the homstead ? Dunscan's Voice replies "No Karl, I will not. I have done and learned so much with you gone. I have more important things to do now as Leader of the Federation of Magic, as you know." Karl does not react "Karl?you there?". "Yes, Dunscan, I'm still here. Just remember this Tromm knows us BOTH, and the FoM will be his Target once again, not Tolkeen, or Lazo."
The Crystal Ball fades, the spell's duration over. Karls gets dressed, and walks out the romm for the last time. "SON, we are going on a Trip...Where? I heard rumors of a Technological City in Alaska, I want us to personaly see if its true. We'll call it a Sabbatical." END...

Giant2005 wrote:

Ninjabunny wrote:No he shouldn't. Why? This is a boring idea, personally I don't see how this would balance anything.

You don't see it as a positive development tool?
For a person to grow in character, they need to suffer loss. A nation is no different.

1. The Ninjabunny is right: it's a boring idea. Players can figure it out themselves if they like. (And they have. All of them have. Over and over and over.)
2. The Ninjabunny is right: it balances nothing. On the one hand, it hurts the CS not an iota and leaves them every bit of their power. The son is more capable, not less. The army is untouched and in fact benefits from greater fervor for revenge.
3. It would be nice to rescind the asspull that gave them a modern navy and the typo (?) that gave them 3 million SAMAS. Sadly, can't happen, but a coup doesn't fix it.
4. They've already set up several intelligent, more-or-less humane military heroes who can and no doubt will serve as the pivots for a coup. They've even given Prosek's wife a backstory for betraying her own husband. ("But Coake... She was distraught... We were forced to comfort her.") Of course, it would be much more poignant (in many ways) for Coake to betray his side for the Coalition, but I don't think they really want to go that way.
5. By the time a sourcebook comes out for Lazlo, the CS's days will be numbered. Kevin's just setting that up and has been since the RMB. Letting them build up now just makes it all the more "impressive".

Bad Mojo wrote:The problem is that thanks to the tolkeen war fubar, its pretty much been written that nobody will band together for stupid reasons. If anybody bands together against the CS now, I think all the dead of tolkeen (not to mention the pb fans) would come back as ghosts and scream "NOW?!?! NOW YOU WANT TO BAND TOGETHER?!?!? huh????!?! WERE YOU WHEN IT WOULD HAVE MATTERED?!?!". So, pb pretty much ruined any believable banning together against the CS scenario.

jaymz wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:FROM THE RIFTS EMERGES ... THE ... ORIGINAL ... EMPERIOR ... OF ... THE ... COALITION STATES ... EMPERIOR TROMM

(the Rifts 1st Printing Emperior)

He Emerges from a Rifts guarded by the CS, Near the Old Chicago Ley Lines.
The CS Soldiers raise their weapons to fire on this man, wearing outdated CS armor.
The CS Soldiers stop look to themselves as if they notice something. The Armor's Helmet bears the Unique design of the Emperior...
The Man removes his Helmet, revealing his face. He speaks "Men, I have returned, Your True Emperior Tromm. Where is that upstart Captain Karl Prosek ? He had the nerve to use a Magical Item on me, which caused me to traped by a Rift Event."
The Soldier Bow to Tromm, finally being able to remember he even exists.

Later ... One of the CS Major Generals approaches Emperior Proseks quarters, and Opens the door. "Sir, Their are reports of Tromm has returned. What do we do ?"
Emperior Prosek drops his wine glass with a shocked look to his face. "Troo..Tromm?" He grabs a locket that he has always worn. "How much to the Men Remember Major General ?"
"Sir, everyone is remembering his identity as soon as they see him from reports." Said the Major General with an angry look.
Prosek sighs "Well, This was Fun, being Emperior while it lasted. Tell Everyone who sided me to back them to leave Chi-Town Now before Tromm awakens the entire city and the whole military. We need to evac asap for our lives Major General. I guess Erin was right after all. That I was never meant to be Emperior of the World. Go Now, We leave in 15 minutes, gather my son and wife too, before they see Tromm themselves."
The Major General seems startled "Sir, We are retreating ? With Tromm's Wife and Child too ?"
Prosek "Yes you idiot, Tromm was responable for my entire family's death, so I took his family as my own. Ohh Tell the Vanguard I'll be coming back to to them and I want my old position back as Leader of the Vanguard. Because we must plot how to remove Tromm once again before MY Wife and Son ever sees him."
Major General "Sir, Yes, Sir. What about Bradford ? He always knew you were not the real emperior."
Prosek "Do nothing, Why else do you think i let him have free reign all these years, he kept my secret and yours."
Major General "Going Sir..." The Major General turns around and exists the room. His steps quicker than they should be. Prosek knows he has less than an hour from the time Tromm emerged from that Rift he banished him to, and used his lock's power to assume his mantle of leadership. Too bad once Tromm returned, Tromm is now immune to the lock's power.
Karl Prosek goes to the north wall of his room, waves his hand, and a secret door opens. Inside the room hundreds of magical artifacts clutter the room. He approaches a Crystal Ball, and gives a verbal command to it. The Crystal Ball glows brightly and humms. "Dunscan, do you hear me, Brother ?" A Voice replies. "Karl ? Is that you, I guess he has returned soon than planned then ? Karl's face shows contempt "Yes you crazy SOB, We are leaving Chi-town. Are you going to meet us at the homstead ? Dunscan's Voice replies "No Karl, I will not. I have done and learned so much with you gone. I have more important things to do now as Leader of the Federation of Magic, as you know." Karl does not react "Karl?you there?". "Yes, Dunscan, I'm still here. Just remember this Tromm knows us BOTH, and the FoM will be his Target once again, not Tolkeen, or Lazo."
The Crystal Ball fades, the spell's duration over. Karls gets dressed, and walks out the romm for the last time. "SON, we are going on a Trip...Where? I heard rumors of a Technological City in Alaska, I want us to personaly see if its true. We'll call it a Sabbatical." END...

kogwar wrote:

jaymz wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:FROM THE RIFTS EMERGES ... THE ... ORIGINAL ... EMPERIOR ... OF ... THE ... COALITION STATES ... EMPERIOR TROMM

(the Rifts 1st Printing Emperior)

He Emerges from a Rifts guarded by the CS, Near the Old Chicago Ley Lines.
The CS Soldiers raise their weapons to fire on this man, wearing outdated CS armor.
The CS Soldiers stop look to themselves as if they notice something. The Armor's Helmet bears the Unique design of the Emperior...
The Man removes his Helmet, revealing his face. He speaks "Men, I have returned, Your True Emperior Tromm. Where is that upstart Captain Karl Prosek ? He had the nerve to use a Magical Item on me, which caused me to traped by a Rift Event."
The Soldier Bow to Tromm, finally being able to remember he even exists.

Later ... One of the CS Major Generals approaches Emperior Proseks quarters, and Opens the door. "Sir, Their are reports of Tromm has returned. What do we do ?"
Emperior Prosek drops his wine glass with a shocked look to his face. "Troo..Tromm?" He grabs a locket that he has always worn. "How much to the Men Remember Major General ?"
"Sir, everyone is remembering his identity as soon as they see him from reports." Said the Major General with an angry look.
Prosek sighs "Well, This was Fun, being Emperior while it lasted. Tell Everyone who sided me to back them to leave Chi-Town Now before Tromm awakens the entire city and the whole military. We need to evac asap for our lives Major General. I guess Erin was right after all. That I was never meant to be Emperior of the World. Go Now, We leave in 15 minutes, gather my son and wife too, before they see Tromm themselves."
The Major General seems startled "Sir, We are retreating ? With Tromm's Wife and Child too ?"
Prosek "Yes you idiot, Tromm was responable for my entire family's death, so I took his family as my own. Ohh Tell the Vanguard I'll be coming back to to them and I want my old position back as Leader of the Vanguard. Because we must plot how to remove Tromm once again before MY Wife and Son ever sees him."
Major General "Sir, Yes, Sir. What about Bradford ? He always knew you were not the real emperior."
Prosek "Do nothing, Why else do you think i let him have free reign all these years, he kept my secret and yours."
Major General "Going Sir..." The Major General turns around and exists the room. His steps quicker than they should be. Prosek knows he has less than an hour from the time Tromm emerged from that Rift he banished him to, and used his lock's power to assume his mantle of leadership. Too bad once Tromm returned, Tromm is now immune to the lock's power.
Karl Prosek goes to the north wall of his room, waves his hand, and a secret door opens. Inside the room hundreds of magical artifacts clutter the room. He approaches a Crystal Ball, and gives a verbal command to it. The Crystal Ball glows brightly and humms. "Dunscan, do you hear me, Brother ?" A Voice replies. "Karl ? Is that you, I guess he has returned soon than planned then ? Karl's face shows contempt "Yes you crazy SOB, We are leaving Chi-town. Are you going to meet us at the homstead ? Dunscan's Voice replies "No Karl, I will not. I have done and learned so much with you gone. I have more important things to do now as Leader of the Federation of Magic, as you know." Karl does not react "Karl?you there?". "Yes, Dunscan, I'm still here. Just remember this Tromm knows us BOTH, and the FoM will be his Target once again, not Tolkeen, or Lazo."
The Crystal Ball fades, the spell's duration over. Karls gets dressed, and walks out the romm for the last time. "SON, we are going on a Trip...Where? I heard rumors of a Technological City in Alaska, I want us to personaly see if its true. We'll call it a Sabbatical." END...

Am I missing something or is this just a forum joke.

jaymz wrote:

kogwar wrote:

jaymz wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:FROM THE RIFTS EMERGES ... THE ... ORIGINAL ... EMPERIOR ... OF ... THE ... COALITION STATES ... EMPERIOR TROMM

(the Rifts 1st Printing Emperior)

He Emerges from a Rifts guarded by the CS, Near the Old Chicago Ley Lines.
The CS Soldiers raise their weapons to fire on this man, wearing outdated CS armor.
The CS Soldiers stop look to themselves as if they notice something. The Armor's Helmet bears the Unique design of the Emperior...
The Man removes his Helmet, revealing his face. He speaks "Men, I have returned, Your True Emperior Tromm. Where is that upstart Captain Karl Prosek ? He had the nerve to use a Magical Item on me, which caused me to traped by a Rift Event."
The Soldier Bow to Tromm, finally being able to remember he even exists.

Later ... One of the CS Major Generals approaches Emperior Proseks quarters, and Opens the door. "Sir, Their are reports of Tromm has returned. What do we do ?"
Emperior Prosek drops his wine glass with a shocked look to his face. "Troo..Tromm?" He grabs a locket that he has always worn. "How much to the Men Remember Major General ?"
"Sir, everyone is remembering his identity as soon as they see him from reports." Said the Major General with an angry look.
Prosek sighs "Well, This was Fun, being Emperior while it lasted. Tell Everyone who sided me to back them to leave Chi-Town Now before Tromm awakens the entire city and the whole military. We need to evac asap for our lives Major General. I guess Erin was right after all. That I was never meant to be Emperior of the World. Go Now, We leave in 15 minutes, gather my son and wife too, before they see Tromm themselves."
The Major General seems startled "Sir, We are retreating ? With Tromm's Wife and Child too ?"
Prosek "Yes you idiot, Tromm was responable for my entire family's death, so I took his family as my own. Ohh Tell the Vanguard I'll be coming back to to them and I want my old position back as Leader of the Vanguard. Because we must plot how to remove Tromm once again before MY Wife and Son ever sees him."
Major General "Sir, Yes, Sir. What about Bradford ? He always knew you were not the real emperior."
Prosek "Do nothing, Why else do you think i let him have free reign all these years, he kept my secret and yours."
Major General "Going Sir..." The Major General turns around and exists the room. His steps quicker than they should be. Prosek knows he has less than an hour from the time Tromm emerged from that Rift he banished him to, and used his lock's power to assume his mantle of leadership. Too bad once Tromm returned, Tromm is now immune to the lock's power.
Karl Prosek goes to the north wall of his room, waves his hand, and a secret door opens. Inside the room hundreds of magical artifacts clutter the room. He approaches a Crystal Ball, and gives a verbal command to it. The Crystal Ball glows brightly and humms. "Dunscan, do you hear me, Brother ?" A Voice replies. "Karl ? Is that you, I guess he has returned soon than planned then ? Karl's face shows contempt "Yes you crazy SOB, We are leaving Chi-town. Are you going to meet us at the homstead ? Dunscan's Voice replies "No Karl, I will not. I have done and learned so much with you gone. I have more important things to do now as Leader of the Federation of Magic, as you know." Karl does not react "Karl?you there?". "Yes, Dunscan, I'm still here. Just remember this Tromm knows us BOTH, and the FoM will be his Target once again, not Tolkeen, or Lazo."
The Crystal Ball fades, the spell's duration over. Karls gets dressed, and walks out the romm for the last time. "SON, we are going on a Trip...Where? I heard rumors of a Technological City in Alaska, I want us to personaly see if its true. We'll call it a Sabbatical." END...

Am I missing something or is this just a forum joke.

Tromm is now but it is factually the original name of the Emperor of the CS that got changed to Prosek. The name got missed in early printings of the game so not the name is an inside joke so to speak.

TechnoGothic wrote:ALL HAIL EMPERIOR TROMM !!