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So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:42 pm
by SamBell
If someone only has their head, and it's been dead for say, a few days, can they be ressed?
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:21 pm
by Giant2005
SamBell wrote:If someone only has their head, and it's been dead for say, a few days, can they be ressed?
they can but their body won't magically reappear.
They will just be a living head for about 2 seconds and then die again.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:26 pm
by abel799
Giant2005 wrote:SamBell wrote:If someone only has their head, and it's been dead for say, a few days, can they be ressed?
they can but their body won't magically reappear.
They will just be a living head for about 2 seconds and then die again.
any way to keep them alive .... kinda killed our cyber-knight
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:35 pm
by SamBell
Giant2005 wrote:SamBell wrote:If someone only has their head, and it's been dead for say, a few days, can they be ressed?
they can but their body won't magically reappear.
They will just be a living head for about 2 seconds and then die again.
Can they be like a necrocyborg thingy? From one of those rifter books?
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:39 pm
by Giant2005
I don't know what a Necrocyborg is but if you managed to get a body into a livable state before a resurrection is attempted, it will survive.
If you took the brain from that head and put it in a Cyborg body, it would live.
An extremely good surgeon might even be able to get away with a brain transplant.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:53 pm
by abel799
Giant2005 wrote:I don't know what a Necrocyborg is but if you managed to get a body into a livable state before a resurrection is attempted, it will survive.
If you took the brain from that head and put it in a Cyborg body, it would live.
An extremely good surgeon might even be able to get away with a brain transplant.
wait would the head have to be resurrected first ? for the cyborg option that is.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:45 am
by Nightmask
Really depends on the magic, some powerful ones might work, particularly in combination. One restores the brain to life the next attaches the head to a suitable ready body.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:52 am
by cornholioprime
SamBell wrote:If someone only has their head, and it's been dead for say, a few days, can they be ressed?
Depends upon the type of spell.
Most forms of life-restoring magic will only revive what what you have there -which means that the body has to at least be whole enough to survive on its own.
A tiny, tiny handful of life-restoring magics -and off the top of my head I think that they're unique spells known only to a tiny handful of the most powerful Gods of Light -also perform restoration at the same time, and can revive a dead person if the party only has a pinky finger to go on.
Also, you could try to get Set to feed you that potion of his and all your bases are covered no matter how you die (at the cost of your sanity though).
There's always that.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:04 am
by flatline
I let the Restoration spell regenerate missing body parts, so after resurrecting the head, casting Restoration would recreate the body.
Don't know if there's a canon way of doing it, though.
--flatline
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:04 am
by TechnoGothic
Godly resurrection can restore the whole body and bring the person back to life.
If a God brings you back from such a state, there must be a good reason. A Destiny of some kind maybe.
This method is found in Dragon and Gods book. Also check out Pantheons of the Megaverse.
Of course you just have the character show back up. He does not remember anything after his "death", and "woke" up walking on his way back to the group. Noone is sure how he was brought back to life, or Why.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:41 pm
by Faceless Dude
You could approach someone like Dr. Bradford or a Gene Splicer to make a cloned body from the existing materiel and then Resurrect it
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:26 am
by Mallak's Place
Ley-Line Restoration followed by Resurrection should work.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:56 am
by Akashic Soldier
There is also a spell of Legend in Rifter #55 that will restore them entirely so long as it has not been more than two weeks?
And then... there are the Almana (
Rifts World Book 30: D-Bee's of North America).
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:44 am
by abel799
amana would be a great idea .... except they require atleast 70% of the body to be left
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:56 pm
by Akashic Soldier
abel799 wrote:amana would be a great idea .... except they require atleast 70% of the body to be left
What... uh... happened to the rest of him?
Could you go back and get it?
Technically unless they reduced him to his P.E. below zero HP there should be enough of him to put back together.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:55 pm
by Nightmask
Akashic Soldier wrote:abel799 wrote:amana would be a great idea .... except they require atleast 70% of the body to be left
What... uh... happened to the rest of him?
Could you go back and get it?
Technically unless they reduced him to his P.E. below zero HP there should be enough of him to put back together.
At least one GM on here stated his house rule was you lost a percentage of mass equal to your lost SDC/HP or MDC, no matter how illogical that actually is. So if you're killed on the game you'd be unrecoverable because you'd have nothing left (and leaves you wondering how someone with 90% of his body gone was still getting around doing anything, makes you think of some computer games where a 10,000 HP creature can be reduced to 1 HP and still dealing full power attacks and no penalties).
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:00 pm
by cornholioprime
Mallak's Place wrote:Ley-Line Restoration followed by Resurrection should work.
The various Restoration spells, in my opinion, strongly imply that the body in question has to be still alive.
Especially those Restoration Spells that impart a permanent cost to the recipient and/or the caster.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:48 am
by abel799
Akashic Soldier wrote:abel799 wrote:amana would be a great idea .... except they require atleast 70% of the body to be left
What... uh... happened to the rest of him?
Could you go back and get it?
Technically unless they reduced him to his P.E. below zero HP there should be enough of him to put back together.
Well 4 high explosive mini missiles seem to do quite a bit to an unarmored human
The dude shouldn't even have a head left but for some reason the gm gave him a chance (2%) and now we are searching for some way to bring him back
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:52 am
by Nightmask
abel799 wrote:Akashic Soldier wrote:abel799 wrote:amana would be a great idea .... except they require atleast 70% of the body to be left
What... uh... happened to the rest of him?
Could you go back and get it?
Technically unless they reduced him to his P.E. below zero HP there should be enough of him to put back together.
Well 4 high explosive mini missiles seem to do quite a bit to an unarmored human
The dude shouldn't even have a head left but for some reason the gm gave him a chance (2%) and now we are searching for some way to bring him back
It was something of a running gag in Schlock Mercenary where one character ended up reduced to just a head quite often. But they have the nanotech to regrow an entire body and he'd had his head and brain so reinforced you'd just about have to hit it with anti-matter to kill him.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:17 am
by Akashic Soldier
abel799 wrote:Akashic Soldier wrote:abel799 wrote:amana would be a great idea .... except they require atleast 70% of the body to be left
What... uh... happened to the rest of him?
Could you go back and get it?
Technically unless they reduced him to his P.E. below zero HP there should be enough of him to put back together.
Well 4 high explosive mini missiles seem to do quite a bit to an unarmored human
The dude shouldn't even have a head left but for some reason the gm gave him a chance (2%) and now we are searching for some way to bring him back
Attach the head to a full range of cybernetic organs and THEN resurrect it. He will be useless but its affordable and maybe once he is just a head and a bunch of mechanical organs you can talk to him and figure out a lasting solution. You don't need a cyborg chassis just a vat or something you can float the organs in. In theory once he is alive you could then use an Almana (this is so unlikely) to slowly grow back each part of him until he is whole again.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:27 am
by SamBell
Akashic Soldier wrote:abel799 wrote:Akashic Soldier wrote:abel799 wrote:amana would be a great idea .... except they require atleast 70% of the body to be left
What... uh... happened to the rest of him?
Could you go back and get it?
Technically unless they reduced him to his P.E. below zero HP there should be enough of him to put back together.
Well 4 high explosive mini missiles seem to do quite a bit to an unarmored human
The dude shouldn't even have a head left but for some reason the gm gave him a chance (2%) and now we are searching for some way to bring him back
Attach the head to a full range of cybernetic organs and THEN resurrect it. He will be useless but its affordable and maybe once he is just a head and a bunch of mechanical organs you can talk to him and figure out a lasting solution. You don't need a cyborg chassis just a vat or something you can float the organs in. In theory once he is alive you could then use an Almana (this is so unlikely) to slowly grow back each part of him until he is whole again.
Luckily we have an AMANA pc.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:45 am
by Akashic Soldier
SamBell wrote:Luckily we have an AMANA pc.
Then I guess you can SLOWLY bring him back might it runs a serious risk to the D-Bee and it will require you guys a year or two of doing nothing while you fix him. But if you do, that's dedication to a friend -- especially if you guys have a Juicer in your team!
Works for the D-Bee though I guess, each time he regenerates a different part of him he gets like a minimum of 10 XP!
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:48 am
by SamBell
Akashic Soldier wrote:SamBell wrote:Luckily we have an AMANA pc.
Then I guess you can SLOWLY bring him back might it runs a serious risk to the D-Bee and it will require you guys a year or two of doing nothing while you fix him. But if you do, that's dedication to a friend!
Especially if you guys have a Juicer in your team.
The 'dead' fellow was a cyber knight who had a run-in with a very clever/evil operator. Long-ass story lol.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:55 am
by Akashic Soldier
SamBell wrote:The 'dead' fellow was a cyber knight who had a run-in with a very clever/evil operator. Long-ass story lol.
Now he is a Cyber Knight who has walked beyond the shores of Caesary and returned. One might wonder if it really is at all possible of truly bringing back the dead, or after seeing all the things he would have seen in that hellish place--is your friend already gone forever?
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:58 am
by SamBell
Akashic Soldier wrote:SamBell wrote:The 'dead' fellow was a cyber knight who had a run-in with a very clever/evil operator. Long-ass story lol.
Now he is a Cyber Knight who has walked beyond the shores of Caesary and returned. One might wonder if it really is at all possible of truly bringing back the dead, or after seeing all the things he would have seen in that hellish place--is your friend already gone forever?
The operator was also a pc. And what they had in mind was have him com back as a evil cyborg, hell bent on revenge.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:00 pm
by Akashic Soldier
SamBell wrote:The operator was also a pc. And what they had in mind was have him com back as a evil cyborg, hell bent on revenge.
You have Players fighting Players?
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:05 pm
by Giant2005
SamBell wrote:Akashic Soldier wrote:SamBell wrote:The 'dead' fellow was a cyber knight who had a run-in with a very clever/evil operator. Long-ass story lol.
Now he is a Cyber Knight who has walked beyond the shores of Caesary and returned. One might wonder if it really is at all possible of truly bringing back the dead, or after seeing all the things he would have seen in that hellish place--is your friend already gone forever?
The operator was also a pc. And what they had in mind was have him com back as a evil cyborg, hell bent on revenge.
A Cyborg Cyber-Knight would be badass! Good luck to that Operator.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:09 pm
by SamBell
Akashic Soldier wrote:SamBell wrote:The operator was also a pc. And what they had in mind was have him com back as a evil cyborg, hell bent on revenge.
You have Players fighting Players?
Well you get that occasionally. What with contrasting alignments, or beliefs, or personalities. Its inevitable sometimes.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:32 pm
by Akashic Soldier
Yeah I know I just don't like it. Just a personal thing I have. It's my one guilty bias.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:39 pm
by SamBell
Akashic Soldier wrote:Yeah I know I just don't like it. Just a personal thing I have. It's my one guilty bias.
I wasn't the gm either. I was playing a dog boy (pitbull) named bill.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:45 pm
by Akashic Soldier
SamBell wrote:I wasn't the gm either. I was playing a dog boy (pitbull) named bill.
Does Bill have an issue with the predigest his breed suffers for being violent when its been established that fighting dogs are no more aggressive than any other type of dog and that more Labradors attack and maul humans each year than pitbulls?
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:51 pm
by SamBell
Akashic Soldier wrote:SamBell wrote:I wasn't the gm either. I was playing a dog boy (pitbull) named bill.
Does Bill have an issue with the predigest his breed suffers for being violent when its been established that fighting dogs are no more aggressive than any other type of dog and that more Labradors attack and maul humans each year than pitbulls?
Nah. Bill has an IQ of 6 lol. Bill don't give a shi*.
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:15 pm
by Akashic Soldier
SamBell wrote:Nah. Bill has an IQ of 6 lol. Bill don't give a shi*.
*looks at the audience with the deflating toot of a thrumpet*
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:17 pm
by SamBell
Akashic Soldier wrote:SamBell wrote:Nah. Bill has an IQ of 6 lol. Bill don't give a shi*.
*looks at the audience with the deflating toot of a thrumpet*
HA!
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:40 pm
by Akashic Soldier
SamBell wrote:HA!
Re: So about ressarection/necromancy
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 2:15 pm
by Prince Artemis
IIRC there's a device in the first triax/ngr book that can keep a head alive for a few hours. I remember playing a triax medic and had to use it on a team member so he could get the cyborg treatment afterwards.